Still having problems..my first grow..

I added 5 little beauties, clones I got that were very healthy looking when I got them, out of the 5, 3 are growing an inch or more a day, one is stunted, one upon trqansplanting, I found only had 1 small root that was obviously its probem, the same strain in the other pots had roots peek a boo'ing from the bottom holes, so I went up a size on pots, and now they are reaching bottom again.
The only thing is lately, the past few days, I have noticed little slits on leaf edges, looks like a cut by a small razor, a couple places have them within the leaf with a slight discoloration around where the tiny slit is...there otherwise growing mad, so I don't want to start a downhill spiral with them, I am still using roots organics formula 707, which I have found to be the cause of the demise of a couple of the plants, it has so much bat guana, kelp etc in it and noone warned me NOT to give nutes for several weeks on a small plants that there enough in the mixture to sustain them for 2-3 weeks depending on plant size.
I did add 2 bags of vermiculite to aid aeration because one NL died of root rot, this soil really holds the water on the bottom.
Have since been shown to gently squeeze and work the soil loose after watering and they do seem to be doing a lot better.
Have no cam right now...but will take a pic or two with my webcam, but they wont be great!
I have my rotating fan blowing the girls pretty hard, could this be making tears along the borders of the leafs?
Any suggestions/thoughts shared would be greatly appreciated!!
Thanks so much..

Yes, if they are whipping in the wind then they can tear, especially along those serrated edges. Any kind of pic will be great in helping. Happy growing!

newwb said:

I have my rotating fan blowing the girls pretty hard, could this be making tears along the borders of the leafs?

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Yo you can write a book and I still won't read it~
Post da pic and yo git a better responses!

OK..now my webcam is pretty grainy so I did the best I can...here is one of the 1 week clones, its healthy root wise, as they are showing already in the bottom holes (I transplanted them to bigger after I got them in small 2 inch pots), and growing...well..like a weed, these little tears and a couple within the leaf looked to me like it was slit with a tiny razor, then the edges around it discolored a bit...the other pic is of 1 left that has a bit of discoloration just happened last night, is it the beginning of a deficiency because I am still not giving any nutes except superthrive with foliar and distilled h2o, they are in the organics form 707 soil that nute burnt and killed my first 2 plants, but I did flush the water before putting them in..
Thanks so much for the replies...pics coming...and the last 2 are of what is supposed to be a nyc diesel, the thing is soooo bushy I can't seem to get light under the mass of growth, so I use the fan, so it lifts them, and I give the plants all a 15 degree turn every couple hours to try to get the max light to them, am using a 4' HO T-5 Fluorescent and just 3 days ago I got some red spectrum tubes and I staggered the tubes, so of the 8 I have one blue, one red, on n on...
any ideas or suggestions greatly appreciated!
Peace all~

That last pic is supposed to be a nyc diesel..anyone familiar with that strain are they massive bushy like this? with a very strong pleasing smell?
So I decided to post up a pic of the runt, too...along side what is supposed to be her "sister" both were supposed to be jack frosts (the put them unlabeled in a bag)just tried to guess based on pics of the strain I looked up on google and there were 2 sets of 2 identical's(jack frosts, blue rhino) and 1 different(nycD), so am assuming the mass bushy one is the nyc diesel..
here is the baby, all exact same growing conditions except this one doesnt have squat for roots, the others are poking out their 1 qt pots already, and 1 I ended up throwing back into the cloner, it had 1 TINY root which just snapped on gentle transplanting.I think her roots aren't well established (cloning ppl in too big a hurry I think) I will let my clones get many several inch long roots before they ever get planted.

Looks like something is chowing down on the plants. Check for mites.

are you serious????????????
damnn...I have seen nothing on them, and like I said they start out looking like just slits have been cut in the edges, then they discolor a bit..the one pic did look like it was a hole, but its more of a thin line opening, sl. tan around edges, but if a lef is torn it will change color right?
I hope I do not have bugs!Are they big enough to see with a mag glass? I check these guys every couple days, and did so over every leaf when I first saw this was happening...
Thank you kindly for your reply!
So if I see no mites, can they still be eating the plant? whats the best time to look for them or do they eat the plant at any time of day?

I think I see brown leaf tips from nute burn, and the little 'cuts' looks like light burn, not wind damage. I read up on the 'organics form 707 soil' and it has a whole list of fert amendments that might be causing your problems. It also states it has greater moisture retention, which you do not want. How long have they been in the 707 and have you checked the ph?

Fix (which you already started): Re-pot, use a well drained soil (sand, vermic, spagnum/peat moss, pine bark, etc) not this 707, as you have already seen what happens in wet soil. You can mix in your own bone/blood meal, seaweed, etc to make 'super soil' that you know the composition and ratios of for greater fert control.

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newwb said:

OK..now my webcam is pretty grainy so I did the best I can...here is one of the 1 week clones, its healthy root wise, as they are showing already in the bottom holes (I transplanted them to bigger after I got them in small 2 inch pots), and growing...well..like a weed, these little tears and a couple within the leaf looked to me like it was slit with a tiny razor, then the edges around it discolored a bit...the other pic is of 1 left that has a bit of discoloration just happened last night, is it the beginning of a deficiency because I am still not giving any nutes except superthrive with foliar and distilled h2o, they are in the organics form 707 soil that nute burnt and killed my first 2 plants, but I did flush the water before putting them in..
Thanks so much for the replies...pics coming...and the last 2 are of what is supposed to be a nyc diesel, the thing is soooo bushy I can't seem to get light under the mass of growth, so I use the fan, so it lifts them, and I give the plants all a 15 degree turn every couple hours to try to get the max light to them, am using a 4' HO T-5 Fluorescent and just 3 days ago I got some red spectrum tubes and I staggered the tubes, so of the 8 I have one blue, one red, on n on...
any ideas or suggestions greatly appreciated!
Peace all~

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A leaf tear will heal on the exposed edge, not have that yellow/brown radiating into the leaf. See my pic below of my little girl, chewed by a bug. Clean, green to the edges. I doubt it's mites, but get some neem oil spray and hose her down once a week or so. Protects from mites and other bugs, as well as some fungi.

newwb said:

are you serious????????????
damnn...I have seen nothing on them, and like I said they start out looking like just slits have been cut in the edges, then they discolor a bit..the one pic did look like it was a hole, but its more of a thin line opening, sl. tan around edges, but if a lef is torn it will change color right?
I hope I do not have bugs!Are they big enough to see with a mag glass? I check these guys every couple days, and did so over every leaf when I first saw this was happening...
Thank you kindly for your reply!
So if I see no mites, can they still be eating the plant? whats the best time to look for them or do they eat the plant at any time of day?

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I started out with the 707, was expensive as hell, I was told it was "the shit" as far as good soil goes......lost a couple plants already..my PH is always 6.6-7, I have added, in total 2 bags of vermiculite to this soil to make it drain better, and the"amendments" they will be used up after a point then it will just be soil..right? this is my first time...be gentle..LOL.
And thank you so much for your reply!!
And should I even be getting light burn with T-5's? I was told I could have them up to a few inches from the light, but I have them about 6-7" below it...now I did just add 4 red spectrum bulbs 3 nights or so ago to the 8 bulb light...every other one is red now and although they put out a diff spectrum of light, there just warm to the touch when burning...how far should I have them..if you know about t5's...
Thanks again!!

newwb said:

are you serious????????????
damnn...I have seen nothing on them, and like I said they start out looking like just slits have been cut in the edges, then they discolor a bit..the one pic did look like it was a hole, but its more of a thin line opening, sl. tan around edges, but if a lef is torn it will change color right?
I hope I do not have bugs!Are they big enough to see with a mag glass? I check these guys every couple days, and did so over every leaf when I first saw this was happening...
Thank you kindly for your reply!
So if I see no mites, can they still be eating the plant? whats the best time to look for them or do they eat the plant at any time of day?

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Don't take that as gospel!! It's an educated guess from pics, and not that good of pics at that. It could be abrasion from leaves rubbing together, or any number of OTHER issues. Just go over them with a fine toothed comb and see whats up. At least eliminate that possibility.

Those leafs look really dark green a few almost have a deep blue ting to them. I would back off the nitrogen a bit.

It's hard to judge color from digital pics, so much is dependent on gamma, and color profile between camera and display, but LDB is right, the N could very well be to much.

It's all good dude, as long as you're learning I'll answer questions.

Yes, you will use up the nutes eventually. I apologize, I meant "light nute burn", not damage from the lighting, lol. You want to get closer to the lights, approx 3" and the light will penetrate deeper so you don't have to blow the leaves up into the light. Definitely keep the fan and monitor the temps at plant tops, tho. Happy growing!

newwb said:

I started out with the 707, was expensive as hell, I was told it was "the shit" as far as good soil goes......lost a couple plants already..my PH is always 6.6-7, I have added, in total 2 bags of vermiculite to this soil to make it drain better, and the"amendments" they will be used up after a point then it will just be soil..right? this is my first time...be gentle..LOL.
And thank you so much for your reply!!
And should I even be getting light burn with T-5's? I was told I could have them up to a few inches from the light, but I have them about 6-7" below it...now I did just add 4 red spectrum bulbs 3 nights or so ago to the 8 bulb light...every other one is red now and although they put out a diff spectrum of light, there just warm to the touch when burning...how far should I have them..if you know about t5's...
Thanks again!!

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If my plants are touching the t5s they will burn,6-7 inches below should be fine ..put your hand under the light right above the plant if your hand gets hot and you cant take it the plants cant either...