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To be fair, I could say the same about you. You are totally ignoring the fact that the old baker probably wouldn't have made a sexually explicit for a heterosexual couple.

I can differentiate between fucking a human and a goat. The owner of that bakery is forbidden to by scripture. He's also forbidden from passing judgement.

You also assume the cake was sexually explicit, which I did not notice being one of the reasons for rejection. That would at least be consistent.
 
I can differentiate between fucking a human and a goat. The owner of that bakery is forbidden to by scripture. He's also forbidden from passing judgement.

You also assume the cake was sexually explicit, which I did not notice being one of the reasons for rejection. That would at least be consistent.

I don't know the specifics of the case, if the cake was not sexual in nature, you have a good point.
But then we get back to who's right are more important, I can see both sides.
If it were my bakery, I wouldn't care, but who am I to judge the couple or the baker?
 
Think of it in terms of a liberal democrat and claiming tolerance, sounds like a good standard to live by, but it's not a reality.


This kind of "well.... liberals are intolerant because they don't tolerate EVERYTHING anyone does", is getting damnably old. Can't you try to come up with something, if not more accurate, more original?


If you want, we can talk about scientific studies that deal with the specific personality triats of liberals vs conservatives - though, those very studies tend to indicate you will not wish to participate.
 
This kind of "well.... liberals are intolerant because they don't tolerate EVERYTHING anyone does", is getting damnably old. Can't you try to come up with something, if not more accurate, more original?


If you want, we can talk about scientific studies that deal with the specific personality triats of liberals vs conservatives - though, those very studies tend to indicate you will not wish to participate.

What's getting old is people like you stringently holding people of religion to their standards while claiming to be a party of tolerance.
And guess what, I'm not religious but I can spot hypocrisy a mile away.

We have the moral majority of the right wanting everyone to bend to their ideals, and the politically correct on the left demanding we follow by their rules.

Both of you are extremists in my book.
 
The bible is stunningly clear in it's message that they are to neither persecute nor judge those who disagree. I'm saying that a religious argument should not hold water for the sake of "religious freedom" without demonstrable consistency. If I can't call my pastafarian beliefs religion, then people who make up new ways to completely ignore massive swaths of their scripture deserve the same. If you're not consistent, then it's a discrimination issue not a religious one. If your messiah tells you not to judge, then you're not actually practicing your religion when you pass judgement.

To my knowledge, there was no violent action, but there was threats. Resorting to threats of death over something that didn't cause physical harm is a truly reprehensible thing to me. However, it lend no more validity to the bakery owner's position in my mind.

As far as religious convictions go, there is a handy window in christianity to avoid these problems: "Do unto your neighbor as you would have him do unto you.". The son of god was pretty clear about not treating people differently on account of beliefs.


Agreed, as far as I can tell from not being religious its pretty simple.
Don't lie, cheat or steal.

Same in law.

Bases covered.
 
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