sub vs soma

thanks seamaiden

Much welcome.

SEamaiden,
Rollitup and Breedbay are working behind the scenes so I think your on safe ground

BCbud does not have my gear they used to and refuse to remove the products as they get lots of web hits from subcool serches.
There thieves 100%

Sub

Whew! I thought something like that likely, since you're staff and all. But, the rules are pretty specific and don't name names.

subcool said:

SEamaiden,
Rollitup and Breedbay are working behind the scenes so I think your on safe ground

BCbud does not have my gear they used to and refuse to remove the products as they get lots of web hits from subcool serches.
There thieves 100%

Sub

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Hey Sub, I am looking at getting some Pandy's and maybe some Vortex seeds, where do you suggest I order from? Because I went to Breedbay and they dont have either...

Breedbay has all of my gear in stock that I offer

I think your looking at the retail site
Check here

BidzBaY

Great pricing


You can also look at Marijuana Seed(s) Cannabis Seed(s) buy purchase (cannabis, pot) shipped worldwide

go with sub... just dont clone his plants. LOL.

again dont trust the canadians..... just playin i love canadians eh.. i just thought that was funny when sub said that bc bud dont have his seeds just use his name to get hits on there site. did anyone read the article in high times, interview with mark emery? see as an american who helped support his ass to have him shit on our value's that kinda got me. i mean i know that as a country we have alot of flaws and 70% is our goverments fault. but just because gw bush is a bully retard does not mean that all americans buy into the mainstream media hype. it just touched a bad nerve with me i always tried to support the cause with mark but damn i think that guy done went retarded on us.. he said "im just glad no one who bought beans from us was arrested" boy i sure hope he extends the same to americans like me and my whole circle bought thousands on his gear in the 90s. i know that mark aint got shit to do with bc bud but thought id just put this out there to see how other american who bought his beans feel about supporting his canadian cause, only to get shit on in high times. but hell each to there own. it is what it is watcha gonna do? pace love and pot..

naw dont listen to me i just smoked a big bowl of canadas finest beasties lol...

thank you sub that is more like the answer i was hoping to get. yes i do and have always selected however with the space i'm trying and the money allowted feminized seeds or at least a strain with high ratio would be nice. i have seen more plants go male without much stress involved if any. i have even consulted people growing for plenty of years and that seems to be the way to go unless your an expert and have the time to even minutely control the hormones. please people why is asking for information so negative on this site?

If you will search some TGA grow threads I think you will find unusual female ratios and tips on how to even make em higher. I have a bitch of a time finding males in my gear.
recently we started 20 Vortex seeds looking for 5 males to work backlwards on the Apollo and got a solo male which in breeding makes it kinda a non selection so we had to scrap the entire project. The 17 females we grew out and passed about in the med community turned some old school stoners heads and made em actually sweat when they had some well cured

Sub

thank you subcool i'm going to look into that +rep

in the med community turned some old school stoners heads and made em actually sweat when they had some well cured
now thats what im talking about.which of your current strains most closely resembles the old school headdies.Think williams wonder or dj's blueberry

Seamaiden said:

I think it's also important, and maybe an indicator of quality, that you can actually get in direct contact with Subcool himself and talk to him about the seeds you've purchased, his growing methods, just about whatever, either here or through his site (I don't know if it's breaking RIU rules for me to openly speak of his site). Also, he puts up information on the plant's genetics, how they grow, PICTURES oh man some seriously juicy pictures, yeah, not just where the seeds are being sold, but elsewhere.

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it's all about ego!!!! soma(some) people need lots of ass licking worshipers hence the foxy strippers on each arm!...they let their name go to their head....I do not see that happening with sub'! and in mild coincidence to the lead post- I'm growing some lavender g13 haze...looking great, but clearly illustrating the "5 gallon fade out"(except the 2 in the storage bin) described by sub'...AND I just recieved the jc2, agent orange, and some woodhorse trainwreck from harborne! I can attest: they do you right! thanks sub! and looking forward to the querkle and vortex(those gray aliens are buggin' me to turn 'em on...damn implants!)

Hillbilly, you just reminded me of a local motorcycle mechanic. Guy builds customs, folks say he does good work, but he's all about having the Scantily Clad Girls on each arm and can't pay attention to anything else. So, he misses out on good paying work. I see a connection somewhere, but maybe that's because...

I 've had to go through hundreds of dollars in seeds and at least 70 of my "white crosses" to finally get sprouting down to a high art. this has been my achilles tendon even more than cloning. my big prob' has been lack of temperature controlled evironment...it's been a mega hassle, forcing me to be mr. mom...so now I put the seeds in the usual plastic bag paper towel setup....wrapped in a hand towel which is refolded and re adjusted on a cheap heating pad. as long as I check it every few hrs., it works absolutely perfect! 100% on the t.g.a. gear!..and the ambient(room) temps vary by 20 degrees! ANYWAY...back to subject...that lavender g13 haze is no slouch! you get the usual soma "five pheno discount" which I personally love! and soma's weed has meat! I've got a couple heavy fruity(the leaves are turning almost white) , a couple leaning toward lavender, one that's a definite keeper- heavy sativa with mutated leaf bases. it's on the deeeeep purple/ spicey skunk side. the biggest one is more indica and not mutated as the previouus,but even more spicey, and just as black... as far as egos go..unless you've been under the thumb of major egos, and have learned how disgustingly ugly arrogance can be, you're bound to find that pitfall the hard way! power corrupts. and it takes a great person to overcome the temptation to abuse power for personal gain. a lot of really good people have fallen throughout history. the i-ching says to deepen your resolve, and magnanimity...and I might add above all: eschew all "smoke blowing"(ass kissing)as the old man would say. remember: "he's a BUM(like the rest of us!)!" we're just extremely self important primates...who frequently lose sight of our overall insignificance in the universe! end of rant...

Hubris, Hillbilly, it's hubris.

Hey Sub n Company,

Im a n00b grower to the core right now, lol - being on my 2nd grow, and knowing only the basics in cannabis cultivation and propagation, its awesome to come across parts of the forum where seasoned vets get their own space to talk turkey with one another, and the occasional n00b like myself. you guys are great, and thanks for doin what you do

My question refers back to the feminized seed topic. As i am a new grower, i figured that going with feminized seeds was the way to go, but now listening to the way your talking about how in most cases buying feminized seeds more or less deminishes the quality or potency of the nugs your growing, is kinda gettin me worried now. I have feminized seeds from seedsman seeds (whiteberry, northern soul), Barneys Farm (red diesel), Big bhudda (blue cheese), and Dutch passion(twilight). Would these breeders fall under the category of guys who use sTs on their plants in order to create feminized seeds? and if so, do you think that this is a consistent finding with people that use sTs, that their fem seeds are more or less giving a bad reputation to amazing strains?? If so, ill be pickin up nothing but regular dank seeds from now on -- i am goin for quality 100%, and would rather have 2 oz of the best nugs ive ever smoked as opposed to 4 oz of some good smoke, but not reaching its full potential.

Thanks for reading everyone, and thanks again for being a part of the reason why people start their own gardens everyday

-K1.

The proper way to fem seeds is to start with 1000 plants and eliminate any that will naturally herm through stress conditions. Once you have a small pool of plants that wont herm under severe stress conditions you can start working on a feminized cross.
No one does this that I know of. Seedsman is a business man not a breeder and while hes a nice guy his work is outsourced to someone.
While Barney has won many cups they do so by selling you fem seeds and using the profits to buy 12 full page ads in High Times, Thats how you win a cup btw or its a damn good start

Big Bhudda was literally packing up seeds when he worked for Cannaseur and pocketing the coin We recieved the Cheese cutting at the same time he did and were still in testing so again all I see is a rush to profits.
These peopels goal IMO is profit. They don't support the medical community and charge outragious amounts for seeds IMO.
You can make this a business without profit as your main goal and quality goes up fast. Take care of people release proven gear that does whats claimed and the profit is a side effect.

Sorry for the rant but these are the people that have caused this.

I will tell you how firm I am on this. Recently Marco added fem seeds to his medical lineup and we won't deal with his company any longer. When I saw fem seeds and Arjan making coin under the cover of medical I turned and walked away.
I spoke to him and others about this and there excuse is that there are lots of lazy growers not willing to do it correctly and there simply filling a need.

Thats not breeding or conserving the drug traits in the Cannabis gene pool.

Sub

the quality of fem. seeds will usually be deminished. but to what degree depends on luck basically.
with a good hybrid (non-feminized) seed strain you crack say 10 seeds ... as those seeds progress to sexual maturity you cull the males (unless youintend to breed) then you clone your females and flower them out. lets say you get a 50/50 split which gives you 5 females . there will be different phenos and of those 5 females you will find the one or 2 that are keepers .. usually just 1 and that will be your mother that you will clone and run thru flower.
with feminized seeds you usually just crack the beans and grow them out eliminating the selection process and just settling for what you get.
keep in mind this is only my opinion on the subject. but in my opinion using non-fem. seeds and selecting the best pheno will make you much happier with your prime selected mother