homebrewer
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Interesting post but I thought we were talking about sugars?
sugar and molassis in your water?
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ExileOnMainStreet
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After reading the mountains of arguments both for and against posted all over this site, I've tried it with and without molasses.
It didn't seem to make enough of a difference for me to include it on a regular basis.
The high and the taste were the same either way.
That said, I'm no expert (internet or otherwise)
It didn't seem to make enough of a difference for me to include it on a regular basis.
The high and the taste were the same either way.
That said, I'm no expert (internet or otherwise)
420God
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I hear that from quite a few people but what to remember is that everyone's grow is different. Different mediums, nutrients, everything....
For $5 a bottle it's worth doing it if you have soil even if it's a slight increase. Always try and get more if you can, why be so cheap not to when it MIGHT make a difference.
Never know until you try.
homebrewer
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For the same amount of money, you can add products that actually help the plant. Floralicious plus in my hydro trays costs $4 for a 9 week cycle and is great for those of you who know what sea kelp and humic acids can do. My DynaGro nutes in soil costs less than 50 cents for a nine week cycle. Sweet from Botanicare which has a dual purpose if you're running microbes costs about the same as molasses but it gives you a substantially larger dose of sulfur and magnesium than molasses.
Not a lot of people here are on a budget but I'm just trying to illustrate the point that for the same amount of money, you can actually provide benefit to you plants. The benefits of molasses are shaky at best as seen below:
- Calcium ----- .205%
- Iron -------- .0047%
Magnesium --- .242%
- Phosphorus -- .031%
- Potassium --- 1.464%
- Sodium ------ .037%
- Zinc -------- .0003%
- Copper ------ .0005%
- Manganese --- .0015%
- Selenium ---- .0178%
homebrewer
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I know, I posted a list with the minerals that plants can use and even calculated the percentages like you'd see them on a fert bottle. Link here because sulfur isn't in there: http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/sweets/5573/2
I'm not sure about the alcohol based sugar statement. Wikipedia: 1-Triacontanol is a fatty alcohol of the general formula C30H62O, also known as melissyl alcohol or myricyl alcohol. It is found in plant cuticle waxes and in beeswax. Triacontanol is a growth stimulant for many plants, most notably roses, in which it rapidly increases the number of basal breaks.
It looks like it's derived from alpha meal? Fermented maybe? But I can't find a reference saying it's a sugar. I happen to use FloraBlend which includes alpha meal and I'm not seeing the benefits in my own grows that are outlined in some of the google sources. Regardless, I think triacontanol is not what the OP was talking about.
Medi 1
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mqn as a nute co here they do what they claim. if it dont need to make its own sugar as it does do then it can work more on other parts of what it needs and devote more enegry to that. this is why we supply sugar. ive posted alot on what it can and does do, you obviously dont understand the plants needs. or how they work. maybe its cause you dont use it right or at the right time also is why you get no bennefit from it. sugar is in more than just additives. just cause its not on the label dont mean it isnt in the bottle.
Medi 1
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ha...you even post this but yet claim sugar does nothing...this is what molasses is right???..and thats sugar. a plant dosnt uptake these elements or something???. your contradicting your own post
- Calcium ----- .205%
- Iron -------- .0047%
Magnesium --- .242%
- Phosphorus -- .031%
- Potassium --- 1.464%
- Sodium ------ .037%
- Zinc -------- .0003%
- Copper ------ .0005%
- Manganese --- .0015%
- Selenium ---- .0178%
Medi 1
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and again...more for the non believer....lol
Sugar Water Effect on Plants
Plants require three essentials, light, water and nutrients to thrive and produce optimum yield. Plants naturally produce sugars, such as glucose and sucrose. These sugars are needed to produce energy, promote growth and aide in the processes of respiration and transpiration. Sugar can also be introduced to a plant through watering to enhance growth and production.
Natural Sugar Production
1. Plants naturally produce the sugars such as glucose during photosynthesis. The sugar is produced to be stored for later conversion to energy for the organism. This production of sugars also aids in the absorption of nutrients and minerals.
Functions of Sugars in Plants
2. Sugar helps a plant to grow and helps to regulate gene expression by causing less water to be moved to the plant's roots. Plant sugars are converted to energy. This energy is then used to build new cell tissue. The energy produced by glucose also induces the process of cellular respiration.
Benefits of Sugar
3. Plant sugars help the soil to retain more moisture. Sugar doesn't draw water away from the plant as salt does, therefore, it keeps the plant from getting dehydrated as well. Glucose production increases the overall strength and health of the plant.
Too Much Sugar
4. Sugar, in moderation, is not harmful to plants. If the amount of `in the soil becomes too high, this promotes a higher incidence of fungi and bacteria. A typical fungus that thrives on sugar is yeast. Excess amounts of yeast causes an increase in the risk of an infection to plants and humans.
USC Study
5. In a study at University of Southern California, three groups of bean plants were watered with different degrees of sugar water (0 g, 25 g and 50 g solutions). The group of plants which had been watered with the 50 g sugar/water solution were not only the largest and strongest of the plants, they were also the healthiest and highest yielding plants.
Sugar Water Effect Plants..
Does sugar help plants grow?
Sometimes a pinch of sugar is added to water and fed to a plant that has wilted and hasn't been watered for a while. The sugar can help the plant quickly get back to normal. However, this doesn't always work and sometimes the plant might be too far gone to save.However, sugar is not usually added to the water that is fed to normal, healthy plants.Research photosynthesis, plants use sugar for energy.
The effect of loss of water in wilted plants as well as cut-flowers is an analogous process, that is, loss of turgor pressure (water pressure). Although, the effect on the cut-flowers is irreversible, the wilted plant may spring back to life. Plants have tiny holes in their leaves known as stomata that allow the exchange of O2 and CO2, but result in the loss of H20. In principle, a continuous water column from the tip of a plants root to the high leaf on the plant is a continuous water column (like a chain of water molecules). As H20 evaporates from the top, that in turns pulls the chain of water molecules upward all the way from the root. As long as this turgor pressure is maintained the plant will remain upright (not wilt and slumped). But, in conditions of low water and/or high temperatures greater than average evaporation from the leaves (which is actually called transpiration) occurs, and at some point the water column is no longer continuous.
However, when the stomata close, the plant can reverse some of this process by releasing stored water from nearby cells and thereby restore the continuous water column in the plant. Water also play an equally important role in photosynthesis, where it is broken down as an oxygen source, hydrogen ion and electron donor. Its role in photosynthesis is absolute. No water no photosynthesis. So what the point? Well, the function of photosynthesis is to produce energy in the form of sugars (e.g. glucose, etc.) In the case of the cut flowers, you are temporarily breaking the water column in the plant, which is why you are supposed to cut the stems under water with something sharp.
The cut flowers are immediately put into a vase full of water or even cut in this container. A sugar, antioxidant and anti-microbial agent (the little packets that come with cut-flowers) is poured into the vase. This solution replenishes the plants food supplies temporarily, since the water column was disrupted and food may have been lost. Flowers last much longer in the sugary solution, than in plain tap water or deionized water for that matter. Also, cutting the flowers after a day or to increases the water transport/transpiration potential of the plant. In the case of the wilted plant, sugar might temporarily help the plant, but in the absence of water any effect will be trivial and short-lived. The plant can make its own food when intact. It can't make its own water.
Sugar Water Effect on Plants
Plants require three essentials, light, water and nutrients to thrive and produce optimum yield. Plants naturally produce sugars, such as glucose and sucrose. These sugars are needed to produce energy, promote growth and aide in the processes of respiration and transpiration. Sugar can also be introduced to a plant through watering to enhance growth and production.
Natural Sugar Production
1. Plants naturally produce the sugars such as glucose during photosynthesis. The sugar is produced to be stored for later conversion to energy for the organism. This production of sugars also aids in the absorption of nutrients and minerals.
Functions of Sugars in Plants
2. Sugar helps a plant to grow and helps to regulate gene expression by causing less water to be moved to the plant's roots. Plant sugars are converted to energy. This energy is then used to build new cell tissue. The energy produced by glucose also induces the process of cellular respiration.
Benefits of Sugar
3. Plant sugars help the soil to retain more moisture. Sugar doesn't draw water away from the plant as salt does, therefore, it keeps the plant from getting dehydrated as well. Glucose production increases the overall strength and health of the plant.
Too Much Sugar
4. Sugar, in moderation, is not harmful to plants. If the amount of `in the soil becomes too high, this promotes a higher incidence of fungi and bacteria. A typical fungus that thrives on sugar is yeast. Excess amounts of yeast causes an increase in the risk of an infection to plants and humans.
USC Study
5. In a study at University of Southern California, three groups of bean plants were watered with different degrees of sugar water (0 g, 25 g and 50 g solutions). The group of plants which had been watered with the 50 g sugar/water solution were not only the largest and strongest of the plants, they were also the healthiest and highest yielding plants.
Sugar Water Effect Plants..
Does sugar help plants grow?
Sometimes a pinch of sugar is added to water and fed to a plant that has wilted and hasn't been watered for a while. The sugar can help the plant quickly get back to normal. However, this doesn't always work and sometimes the plant might be too far gone to save.However, sugar is not usually added to the water that is fed to normal, healthy plants.Research photosynthesis, plants use sugar for energy.
The effect of loss of water in wilted plants as well as cut-flowers is an analogous process, that is, loss of turgor pressure (water pressure). Although, the effect on the cut-flowers is irreversible, the wilted plant may spring back to life. Plants have tiny holes in their leaves known as stomata that allow the exchange of O2 and CO2, but result in the loss of H20. In principle, a continuous water column from the tip of a plants root to the high leaf on the plant is a continuous water column (like a chain of water molecules). As H20 evaporates from the top, that in turns pulls the chain of water molecules upward all the way from the root. As long as this turgor pressure is maintained the plant will remain upright (not wilt and slumped). But, in conditions of low water and/or high temperatures greater than average evaporation from the leaves (which is actually called transpiration) occurs, and at some point the water column is no longer continuous.
However, when the stomata close, the plant can reverse some of this process by releasing stored water from nearby cells and thereby restore the continuous water column in the plant. Water also play an equally important role in photosynthesis, where it is broken down as an oxygen source, hydrogen ion and electron donor. Its role in photosynthesis is absolute. No water no photosynthesis. So what the point? Well, the function of photosynthesis is to produce energy in the form of sugars (e.g. glucose, etc.) In the case of the cut flowers, you are temporarily breaking the water column in the plant, which is why you are supposed to cut the stems under water with something sharp.
The cut flowers are immediately put into a vase full of water or even cut in this container. A sugar, antioxidant and anti-microbial agent (the little packets that come with cut-flowers) is poured into the vase. This solution replenishes the plants food supplies temporarily, since the water column was disrupted and food may have been lost. Flowers last much longer in the sugary solution, than in plain tap water or deionized water for that matter. Also, cutting the flowers after a day or to increases the water transport/transpiration potential of the plant. In the case of the wilted plant, sugar might temporarily help the plant, but in the absence of water any effect will be trivial and short-lived. The plant can make its own food when intact. It can't make its own water.
homebrewer
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I don't care what you feed a plant, it will continue to do what it's done since the dawn of time which is photosynthesis. Feel free to google it.
The list above is the nutrient make-up of molasses as indicated in post #24 and molasses is only half sugar. I repeat (because that's what I need to do with you) that this is not the mineral makeup of sugar, nor does sugar contribute those trace amounts of minerals.
Please post a link to where you got that sugar nonsense.
Medi 1
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um ive been postiong info on sugar...seems it sme that needs to repeat dood. the faster the plant grows and does it phtosynthesus it may not be able to keep up so we use the sugars to allow it to keep up and focus more enegry on other things as it dont need to make as much of it on it own,.again...
a plant can only do so many things at one dpending on its phtosynthesus, so it must take away from one or another if it cant keep up to make the sugar. so if we add it then it wont need to take away form elwhere to produce the sugar needed to keep up the rate of growth. dont know how much more basic i can say it.
a plant can only do so many things at one dpending on its phtosynthesus, so it must take away from one or another if it cant keep up to make the sugar. so if we add it then it wont need to take away form elwhere to produce the sugar needed to keep up the rate of growth. dont know how much more basic i can say it.
homebrewer
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I didn't see a link in there anywhere.
How about this; post some pics of your sugar-fed buds and I'll post some of some buds that had zero sugars fed to them and if your crack-pot theory is correct, you should put my pics to shame. So lets see 'em partner.
Canabian420
Active Member
i get my info from bricktop and soma...> that
nutes like bud candy and sugar daddy are mainly to feed beneficials im pretty sure. farmers have been using base sugars for hundreds of years though.
nutes like bud candy and sugar daddy are mainly to feed beneficials im pretty sure. farmers have been using base sugars for hundreds of years though.
Stay@homeGROWER
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I use advanced nute Bud Candy and I use house and garden Bud XL and I've noticed enough of a difference to use them for the past year
Medi 1
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a picture dont show potency or how good anything is. we test weekly on our medz here to see what they need or have to much of and what the cannabinoid profile is...do you??? links???..you cant see post #35? or any of the others i posted?
and to ghetto guy. ya to much will kill them as it slows water uptake. its all posted in same post above
ill play along with the piuc thing, not sure how to tell whats better by a pic though. mine dont seem to have the potency button on it, or efficacy, just zoom and so on....lol
these are only 2 foot tall. was on average 3 to 4 oz dry each and no stem
my hands are a bit larger to than norml being im almost 7 foot tall.
ya need more??....lol. man a pic pissin contest....lol
and to ghetto guy. ya to much will kill them as it slows water uptake. its all posted in same post above
ill play along with the piuc thing, not sure how to tell whats better by a pic though. mine dont seem to have the potency button on it, or efficacy, just zoom and so on....lol
these are only 2 foot tall. was on average 3 to 4 oz dry each and no stem
my hands are a bit larger to than norml being im almost 7 foot tall.
ya need more??....lol. man a pic pissin contest....lol
homebrewer
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You've got some good looking plants there, as do I. So where is this miracle of sugar you speak of??? Where are your links supporting your sugar post? Even if you had '.edu' links, why don't your plants look better than mine which were grown with no sugar? The answer to my questions is 'sugar feeds the soil, not the plant'.
