Sun Hut Silver - Chocolope, Alaskan Ice, Pure Power

Alright, since I'm switching to 12/12 tonight I went ahead and took some cuts from the plants. Not sure if I'm goignt o do clones next time or thsoe seeds that i found but I figured it couldnt hurt to have a couple mothers around.

I used two methods - one is a seed tray with clonex solution soaked pro mix in a dome and the other is clonex solution in a glad container with an airstone, I drilled holes in the lid for the tubing and stems. We'll see what happens - after two days they all seem to look good.

Hello, here's a quick update. Overall things look good and are filling in nicely. HOwever I have a couple plants that are showing some leaf curl - looks like "the claw." It could be over watering (i hope) but just in case I tried to measure the ph of the soil. Ihave tried the runoff before and It only makes sense that with the leat based soil it is going to be off. So I used this rapid test kit from a local nursery. See the pics below - I can't insert them as i type b/c they arent at a url. The water going in has always been at or around 6.5 after nutes. From the test results it looks like the soil is around 7. Not sure about the acuracy of this thing but I guess the dolomitic lime in the pro mix really does buffer the ph. Also, some of the plants are still showing a little yellowing at the tips and a lot of the new growth isnt strraight - the tips curve to one side or the other. I just heard that this is a symptom of something but can't remember. Te plant pics are 1. the four chocolopes, the one taht is showing the most curl, some close ups of different curled leafs, new, old and in between. THen finally some of the crooked tips on the pure power.

Advice? Input?

overmyhead said:

Shipinit - thanks for the encouragement. I'm just freaking out because I don't really have anyone to come and look at things and help me out. I get some general gardening advice from the guy I got the led's from and that's it along with what I remember of others' grows back in the day. I think that I'm gonna start 12/12 tomorrow - I cant wait any more. What have you heard about the different AI phenos? The one with the short fat leaves has been a trooper so far - the other one was nice and stinky early (still is stinky) but had that MG deficiency when none of the other plants did. I was reluctant to even take a cut.

Just writing here but I just found a bag of beans that my brother had collected over the years and am pissed that I'm not trying them out. He had the opportunity to try a lot of really nice stuff and I'm sure there's a crazy story behind each one. Next go round I'll definitely be playing with some of those. This whole project is dedicated to his memory - even put some of his ashes in the mix. I miss him terribly and think that this is a tribute he would have wanted.

How is it that you've never had to worry about pests?

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hope all goes well with your grow was gonna do alaskan ice myself but messed up my seeds so have had to do strawbery haze instead.

ever seen how high?
they did that with ivory.

Hey man, looking good.
What is your ppm before adding nutes.....around 180 that I read above? I have been trying to find any info about peat and ppm....nothing conclusive. I use peat a lot in my mixes and was wondering if maybe we are both seeing symptoms from this....dunno. I switched my mother a few weeks back in to a new mix of soil and my leaf problems are slowly fading away......i also added dolomite lime as well. I have to re-pot a few plants later today and I will run 1 in my normal mix heavier in peat and 1 with my new mix and see what happens.
I have never had problems before using it but I am wondering if it is reacting with my crappy water some how and causing lock out.
Sorry I can't be of more help......only thing I can suggest is when in doubt flush it out.....

Shipinit,
Thanks, if I flush them they'll drown!!! with a filter I think my ppm before nutes is about 100-150. But, even with nutes they have never been fed more than 800 (and that's only a couple times.) I have seen grows with straight pro mix yield time after time for 20 years - but all those guys are retired and it's hard to get much out of them. One I heard from said I should be up to 1200 now and 1600 on the next feeding. I think that my soil ph is a little high if anything - the pro mix has dolomitic lime in it. Also not all the plants are exhibiting the same symptoms so I don't think it's the soil. I did water the one that is one extra time because it seemed really dry and the others werent ready yet. I don't know - it's driving me crazy I thought this was supposed to be such a hardy hard to kill plant.

Also, I have noticed that the lower side branches on the plants that are clawing up seem really flimsy.

I take it the pest strips never showed any evidence? (for the leaf damage, curling is something else obviously).....wait I just googled what you are using......is this it?

If so get it out of your tent asap.....I used these at a rental property my family has last summer in an enclosed space......didn't realize tenant had a turtle in the closet of the room......after a week dead turtle. Try a sticky type trap if you haven't and see what/if anything shows up on them after a few days.
I am currently going through every grow related bookmark I have (cannabis and reg plants) and will post anything I come across that may explain this, I am stumped but we shall solve this mystery

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I just read that those are ok to use but not for extended periods of time. Others are using them but for short periods of time if they are using them in cabs or tents. Some say 4 hours at a time others 8.....

That is the strip, I only had it in there off and on but took it out for good when I remembered that I had a praying mantis egg case in a bag in the tent. Hopefully it wasn't affected. Also, I added some beneficial nematodes this weekend and figured that it wouldnt be good for them either.

An update, I left the camera back in the room and I'm too exhausted to get it but I can sum up the pics - things look worse. NOw, the two big strong chocolopes are clawing up, and several of the plants had powdery mildew on some lower branches. I really wish I would have not been so greedy and chopped all the lower branches off. Is it too late no that they're four days into flower?

I tested the soil ph in several of the pots using that test kit above and all registered about 7 - my water / feed has been 6.5 for a while (definitely since they've been repotted.)

The RH (lights on) is 50-55 Im sure the extra six hours of dark right after watering didnt help with the mildew. Does anyone think that this clawing could just be overwatering and will pass? I've got the exhaust cranked up, the two clip on fans and a small fan pushing up from the floor. I wish they had a soil dehumidifier!

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alright so, I put the ladder and rope away and got my wits about me (the camera was on the table behind me). I pulled off some more of the low hanging fan leaves that had mildew on them and sprayed the rest of the lower stuff and soil surface with serenade. The top of the soil was actually drying and cultivated easily. Still looking for experience based advise on chopping the lower growth - at the begining it seemed like a cool idea to have it as low as possible for stability???

tom - on the air movement, You're right and when I switch out the bulbs I will do that - but you also have to remember that the line has an 8" max fan at the end (over 400cfm) and a 6" can fan pulling through the filter and into the lights (250 cfm) so that's not a big issue - but I am having a hard time trying to figure out how to have something blowing through the bottoms with all that growth, she air king clip ons move the tops around really well.

If you shorten that length of ducting in between the two reflectors you will be able to move air a lot easier

Overmyhead I am sorry to hear about ur brother. I was moved by u using his ashes. May you have pleasurable memories of ur brother every time U see ur plants. In honor and memory.

hayzink said:

hope all goes well with your grow was gonna do alaskan ice myself but messed up my seeds so have had to do strawbery haze instead.

ever seen how high?
they did that with ivory.

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Never saw it. Hopefully these things pull through for me and I get to share it with his friends at our next anniversary celebration.

I have just been leaving them alone and things seem to be looking up. THere are still yello tips on some leaves and yellowing leaves at the bottoms - I think that means those plants are hungry for some N, no? THanks for stopping by and please - ideas, comments etc are welcome. Later today I plan to test the soil for nutrients with that kit i used for ph.

Been a while - things have just been crazy hectic.

Had a little bout (still ongoing) with powdery mildew on the bottom leaves - now have a dehumidifier and a sulfur vaporizer on the way.

They are now just under two weeks into flower and some are really starting to show nicely. Switched to hps's and got a couple reptile lights that I'll be experimenting with next week for the uvb.

Here are some pics to show the progress almost three weeks into 12/12. Things seem to be looking good except for some windburn from fans being too close (No choice as there isnt really any extra space in the tent.) and some crazy spotting on some upper fan leaves - but this appeared just after using the sulfur burner so I can't help but think it is linked. Two of the chocolopes still have some claw leaf but are flowering ok. I think they have stopped growing up for the most part thank God! NOw I have a dehumidifier in the tent and one outside in the room and tons of air movement so hopefully I can avoid any mold problems for the rest of the run. I turn the one in the tent all the way up when the lights go out and down when they come on. One thing I didnt factor in was how much heat dehumidifiers can create! A single room ac unit is looking better and better! Or, maybe just an intake fan bringing cool air up from the crawlspace?? Also, a mantis egg case I had in a bag hatched - I only left a few in the tent b/c I really don't think there are many if any bugs in there for them to eat but it was pretty cool to watch them hatch.

Looking good man....was reading back through the thread to see if I missed the addition of the sulphur burner and saw the red....nice. I used to fish at least 4 times a week for reds and specs where I used to live in Tx., nothing beats a nice day on the bay.

As for the burner, what model did you go with? I know it hasn't been running all that long but has it made a noticeable difference? Tent starting to fill up, can't wait to see it through.

shipinit said:

Looking good man....was reading back through the thread to see if I missed the addition of the sulphur burner and saw the red....nice. I used to fish at least 4 times a week for reds and specs where I used to live in Tx., nothing beats a nice day on the bay.

As for the burner, what model did you go with? I know it hasn't been running all that long but has it made a noticeable difference? Tent starting to fill up, can't wait to see it through.

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I thought I mentioned the burner. I only used it three times - 1 hour each. Which I think might have been too much for some of the plants (the fan leaves on the chocolopes are all spotted now.) It is just the yellow sunlight supply one. I don't see any more mildew but I also sprayed all the lower foliage where it was with serenade and have really tried to keep the humitdity down.

It seems like just a couple weeks ago that I was freaking out about it being too dry!!!

I think that the next time I'll just do two monster plants and try to train them to talk up the whole tent! That would leave more open space for air and to control these kind of things.

I'm not complaining about what I've got going on though - lights just came on and the chocolope buds are really starting to fill in. The power plant really likes having it's own 400 too.

Thanks for the info, I saw that you mentioned it but didn't see size/brand. I am putting together my "oh shit" list just in case......which includes sulphur burner, another a/c etc.

Alright, time to catch up.

Good: everything is flowering nicely and is still 100% female. Stretching seems to have stopped - but notice the tall tops on the plant to the left, that's the short stocky AI, it just shot those things up all the sudden but the rest of the plant isnt stretching - but those tops make it the tallest plant overall. The g13 pure power is short stocky and beautiful - this thing has really been a pleasure to grow and would recommend it highly to any beginner.

Bad: my two strong chocolopes have this crazy spotting on the fan (more evident in the top layers) leaves, similar to that of the alaskan ice towards the beginning. I am hoping that it is just mg deficiency and a good feeding will take care of it. Any thoughts? They have been using a lot of energy I'm sure as they have massive (compared to the others) flowers and I havent really given them that much food. Also, the combination of the past experience with mildew and the packed nature of the tent have posed a problem in getting sufficient air movement without haveing the fans right on the plants. So, a few plants have some pretty obvious windburn but it doesnt seem to be hurting them that bad. I will definitely leave some more space next time (along with pruning more on the bottoms.) Who knows, maybe the wind will increase resin production???

some pics of
1. The problem plants leaf samples, hoping it's mg def, foliar fed epsom salts and continued cal mag in feeding
2. Showing the once short stocky AI pheno now its up to 51". THe buds are spindly, if they fill out like the chocolopes do I'll be set on tinctures etc for a while!

SOme recent pics, will type descriptions later - had to bind up the freak b.c she's out of control and I've nowhere to stretch her out. She has a few hundred ready made doses on her but now size.