T5 vs. Hps

GodSlave

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Without the extra heat your CO2 injection is COMPLETLY pointless, they need to be like 28C to use extra CO2 in any noticable way.
Well, my grow room averages 75F to 85F, sometimes as high as 90F. Again, not trying to be a jerk, but you are wrong about your assumption of CO2. CO2 does not NEED higher temps, but it ALLOWS you to have higher temps with no worries. I know what the CO2 does for my system based on experience. CO2 has given me larger, almost double in size, buds, and quicker turn around times.
 

cowboylogic

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Without the extra heat your CO2 injection is COMPLETLY pointless, they need to be like 28C to use extra CO2 in any noticable way.
Good point but perhaps he does have his temps up around 85. Least hope he does, if not like you said, waste of CO2. And with fluorescents its kinda a waste anyways. Limited lumens produce limited plant metabolism. Probaly dont need the extra CO2 too begin with........
 

dlively11

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HPS will give better results as others have stated. T5s are great for what they are but just dont give the same kind of growth. Vegging is slower and buds arent as big. If you have a small space you might consider a 400 watt HPS. Or even better a 300 watt induction light. Seem to perform a little better then a 600 watt HPS but half the power and lot less heat.
 

GodSlave

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I know your starting anything. Nor am I. Dialog is how we share and learn. And yes I have grwon with CFLs and flouescents. Still begin veg and cone with them. But the comparisons have been done concerning potency related to light source. And HID won. Its been sometime since I have saw the study but will do my best to find and post it. I have nothing against fluorescent lights. But there are differences and in the end HID will outgrow fluorescents.
Cool, I just didn't want you to think I am coming off like an Ahole.
Let me clarify a bit... I totally agree HPS will give you more lumens, no doubt. But with smaller grows, where heat is a big time issue, not only by itself, but in the cost associated with climate control, Fluro can give you just as good of results. Fluro's allow you to get a high amount of lumens very close to the canopy, which in a small grow, growing scrog or sog, can be exactly what you need. Since scrog and sog (done correctly) really don't need much penetration and thrive quite will under fluro's.
 

mr.smileyface

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I'm getting 5000 lumens per square foot at 1 inch away from my plants. Of course your getting 7500 lumens per square foot at an inch away but you can't keep this bulb an inch away from your plants. So do the math, at 8 inches to a foot that 600's lumen output changes. I'm just saying I believe that at one inch away my t5 is just as good as any 600 at 8 to 12 inches away. Plus I feel my t5 fixtures spread light output more evenly over my canopy instead of concentrating stronger outputs in localized areas namely directly under the bulb. Someone please give more info on this subject
Is that why you only have 1 inch of good buds?
My 1000hps's give off 10,000 lumens from 4 feet away! From 1 foot away its 140000+ cause they are digital. Now get this. I use air cooled shades and now it can be closer.
Each light covers 4x5. I get the extra foot with the digitals. One extra row.
You know when a plant flowers it needs alot of light. T5 are only for clones dude. Wake up. You think i would be use 1000watts or 600 watts if they didnt work good. T5's are the wrong light for budded anyways.
So wake up and smell the Kush:evil:
 

Harrekin

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Well, my grow room averages 75F to 85F, sometimes as high as 90F. Again, not trying to be a jerk, but you are wrong about your assumption of CO2. CO2 does not NEED higher temps, but it ALLOWS you to have higher temps with no worries. I know what the CO2 does for my system based on experience. CO2 has given me larger, almost double in size, buds, and quicker turn around times.
No no, you actually need higher temps to use CO2, it causes the plant to transpire faster, thus taking in CO2 and releasing O2 quicker. How can your grow room get as high as 90 with T5's? Sounds like you'd be better off just using HPS.
 

mr.smileyface

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Well, my grow room averages 75F to 85F, sometimes as high as 90F. Again, not trying to be a jerk, but you are wrong about your assumption of CO2. CO2 does not NEED higher temps, but it ALLOWS you to have higher temps with no worries. I know what the CO2 does for my system based on experience. CO2 has given me larger, almost double in size, buds, and quicker turn around times.
It does need higher temps dude. More rapid exchange of gas.
Co2 gives off heat anyways so thats enough heat. 25c-30c is what i keep my rooms at.
The heat boosts there metabolisum and make them eat more. The cold is the opposite is slows them down. But if it gets over 30c you can do perminate damage to your plants."fluffy"
I set my matador controller to 1400 instead of 1650. because the burner is accross the room so when it hits 1400 it stops. The gas still gets pushed over there and it then becomes 1500-1600. Instead of 1600-1800.
 

cowboylogic

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Does it really matter in a sealed room? Its in the air because there is limited floor space.
If you have a dense canopy and are only circulating air above the canopy I would have a few computer fans blowing up through the canopy from near the floor to keep things evenly saturated.
 

Harrekin

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CO2 is denser than normal air, so you should run it above the plants as if it was water. He's not running any fans by the sound of it, so it will all just cling to the floor, unless its really ploughing it out and can literally FILL a room.
 

Ronjohn7779

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Not trying to be a jerk, but those are wrong statements, very wrong.
GS:leaf:
Prove it...I think your a bit more basis towards CFLs and T5s from the sounds of it. Any pic I've ever seen of T5 weed vs. HPS weed has shown radically different products in both appearances, colors, and THC crystal density. Like I said I have nothing against T-5s they produce some dank weed, but its not as dank as an HPS. I'm not trying to say HID is better than CFL or T-5s. They both have their place in the sun. And each one is better for xyz application.

Well, my grow room averages 75F to 85F, sometimes as high as 90F. Again, not trying to be a jerk, but you are wrong about your assumption of CO2. CO2 does not NEED higher temps, but it ALLOWS you to have higher temps with no worries. I know what the CO2 does for my system based on experience. CO2 has given me larger, almost double in size, buds, and quicker turn around times.
This statement is 100% correct. You don't need higher temps for Co2 to be effective. What higher temps do is just make the plant use up CO2 at a faster rate (it also lets the plant tolerate higher temps). Since most people fill up their rooms once every hour to every 3 hours you'd just burn through the Co2 faster at a higher temp (I'm assuming the theoretical grower isn't using a overpriced controller). It's this reason that CO2 levels drop in warmer areas and raise in cooler areas (when plants are bloomed). In the winter most plants are dead or in "slumber" so obviously Co2 will rise then.
 

GodSlave

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Does it really matter in a sealed room? Its in the air because there is limited floor space.
Exactly, but I guess Herrekin just wants to be a smart ass. I actually have my CO2 tubbing run all throughout my chamber because it is sealed and circulated.
As for my temps, I guess they get that high because I have enough of them. I circulate all my air between the veg and flower chamber to both equalize temps and CO2. I also have a heater added in case the temps get too low. And you must understand, I am working with a 2x2x5.5ft area.
 

GodSlave

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If you have a dense canopy and are only circulating air above the canopy I would have a few computer fans blowing up through the canopy from near the floor to keep things evenly saturated.
Exactly, I do have fans all throughout the grow. Fans blowing up through the canopy, and fans pulling air to the top chamber, and fans pulling it back down to the bottom through tubbing. The temps and CO2 are completely equalized between the chambers. I don't have a controller, so I had to do my own testing with manual co2 testers, testing both the top and bottom chambers. Same with temps, I have monitors throughout.

CO2 is denser than normal air, so you should run it above the plants as if it was water. He's not running any fans by the sound of it, so it will all just cling to the floor, unless its really ploughing it out and can literally FILL a room.
See above.
 

Harrekin

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Ahh ok cool, maybe was just jumping on you a bit cos saying a T5 is better than a HPS is pretty much ridiculous when you put the effort in to run other stuff like CO2 AND have cross room ventilation...why not get a 600 in a cooltube that has an airflow independent to your rooms? Im pretty sure you'd get alot more lumens that way.
 

GodSlave

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They both have their place in the sun. And each one is better for xyz application.
Right on bro, that's all I'm trying to say. Each growing method is different. For me, being small time, T5's work great with scrog or sog. If you want to grow 4 or 5 ft tall plants, cfl's/T5 is not a good option.
I'm not biased towards T5's, I've grown with HPS also, I just found that fluro works best for my situation.

And as for the "prove it" part...I'm not comfortable posting pictures online. And for anyone that would say I am just BSing, so be it. I have been busted before, and I'm not looking to try that again. It took me 5 years before I even went on a forum again, but I've been around since before the OG days... I promise you my bud is not airy, or less potent. They are dense, and my friends (some of which don't even know where the bud comes from) say it's the best they've ever smoked.

GS:leaf:
 

GodSlave

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Ahh ok cool, maybe was just jumping on you a bit cos saying a T5 is better than a HPS is pretty much ridiculous when you put the effort in to run other stuff like CO2 AND have cross room ventilation...why not get a 600 in a cooltube that has an airflow independent to your rooms? Im pretty sure you'd get alot more lumens that way.
Mainly because I am working with a stealth sealed cabinet. I don't want any noise or any fans and tubbing coming out of the chamber. Everything I have is completely sealed inside, thus the ultimate stealth.
Yeah, glad you understand now I'm NOT saying T5 is necessarily better than HPS, but it CAN be just as good if grown in the right method, ie. scrog or sog in a small grow operation.
 

Harrekin

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Ahh sweet, wouldve been the first person to agree with you! Just the title of the thread can sort of throw people off. I used to grow with a 200w 2700k CFL and it was great, just I found it a bit "small scale", now I use a 400w and Im gonna buy another one with cooltubes for my tent.
 

Ronjohn7779

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Right on bro, that's all I'm trying to say. Each growing method is different. For me, being small time, T5's work great with scrog or sog. If you want to grow 4 or 5 ft tall plants, cfl's/T5 is not a good option.
I'm not biased towards T5's, I've grown with HPS also, I just found that fluro works best for my situation.

And as for the "prove it" part...I'm not comfortable posting pictures online. And for anyone that would say I am just BSing, so be it. I have been busted before, and I'm not looking to try that again. It took me 5 years before I even went on a forum again, but I've been around since before the OG days... I promise you my bud is not airy, or less potent. They are dense, and my friends (some of which don't even know where the bud comes from) say it's the best they've ever smoked.

GS:leaf:
I hear you on that. In any case, yes for smaller plants T-5s work great. So do HID's. In fact I'd never grow any plant with a 1-2.5 feet in finishing hight in doors. HIDs and T-5s alike suck at growing larger plants. Nothing beats out the sun in terms of light penetration. Even a 1000w HPS won't penetrate that far when plants get bushy and over 3 feet. I like you like a lot of smaller plants over a few larger plants. I'm doing a 2000w SOG setup when I move out west this spring/late winter. Everything is purchased, I'd just rather live somewhere where I can do my thing legally. I'm a firm believer it's never a good idea to break any laws (even if they suck). Too much is at stake.
 

GodSlave

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Ahh sweet, wouldve been the first person to agree with you! Just the title of the thread can sort of throw people off. I used to grow with a 200w 2700k CFL and it was great, just I found it a bit "small scale", now I use a 400w and Im gonna buy another one with cooltubes for my tent.
Yeah, it's a bit small scale, but that's me lol. I have 2 105w CFL's with 6200 lumens each, and 4 T5's with 2000 lumens each in my flower chamber. I have 2 85w CFL's with 4200 lumens each in the mama chamber. My seed, seedling, and clone section is divided into 3 sections, seed chamber has no light, middle section for seedlings after they have reached the surface has (3) 1 ft T5's with 350 lumens each. Bottom chamber for clones has 4 of the same 1 ft T5's. If you keep them 1 or 2" above the plants, you get no stretch and they thrive like crazy.

GS:leaf:
 
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