Tafbang Ceiling Light Grow Part 2

Harrekin said:

Damn, did I just waste knowledge with my above post...seems to be a flame war going on here.

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you didn't, I thought you put up a good post I'll rep you, there are quite a few guys that are angry because I followed the best science rather than their beliefs and I think they are upset that I ended up growing something.

tafbang said:

Yeah, that's the exact science that I've followed. It makes the most sense to me. this plant had been stressed by blinking lights and sun light coming through gapes and smoke, so I couldn't make an accurate call on the hermie causes.

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Well then Id imagine anything fertilised by that plant is probably (still unproven but likely correct) gonna produce you (at least some) bunk seeds which will likely try pass on their (potentially) dirty genes.

tafbang said:

you didn't, I thought you put up a good post I'll rep you, there are quite a few guys that are angry because I followed the best science rather than their beliefs and I think they are upset that I ended up growing something.

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Well Im not gonna get involved with this thread cos I dont wanna get in on the argument, but this is a weed, which means it a very efficient bio-machine. You put in light photons, all 17 or whatever nutrients you need, suspended in a medium in a enviroment that allows for constant supply of carbon dioxide, oxygen and a sufficient supply of water with an oxygen balance for the roots and your correct it will grow! How well it grows is determined by perfecting your method of "making for" all of the above, but it will grow as long as it gets a very basic amount of all of the above.

well, It pollinated 2 of my other female plants, I'm assuming those seeds are feminised. who knows about the plants self-pollinated seeds though. I'm going to try and germinate some and put them straight to 12/12 and find out an answer. if most of them end up hermied I think I'll have a more secure answer

ALL the seeds will be feminised regardless of whether self pollinated, wind pollinated or manually pollinated if your using hermie pollen...the question is will they be susceptable to herming themselves and the data points to yes, and throwing them into 12/12 from seed is probably gonna stress them immediately...so if they had any chance, they probably dont with that plan.

Originally Posted by Brick Top "Spores?" I know with me only beginning my 39th year of growing that you see me as inexperienced and lacking knowledge and being ignorant, but would you please tell me what in the wide, wide world of sports cannabis plant; "spores" are and why you are calling them; "spores" and where on a cannabis plant do; "spores" grow?


Definitions of Plant spore on the Web:
In biology, a spore is a reproductive structure that is adapted for dispersal and surviving for extended periods of time in unfavorable conditions. Spores form part of the life cycles of many bacteria, plants, algae, fungi and some protozoans.

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tafbang said:

Spores of THC?

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And to think you call me ignorant.

Spores are an asexual method of reproduction in plants. What this means is that spores contain both the male and female reproductive organs, so plants with spores can then reproduce on their own. Spores are what plants that to not produce seeds produce for reproduction, plant spores are reproductive organs that are both male and female and drop from plants and or are carried by the wind and begin new plants.

THC is created in glandular trichome heads. They are trichome heads, not spores.

There are Bulbous trichomes, also called peltate trichomes which are the smallest type of trichomes. They appear to not have a stalk and instead just be a round head on the epidermal layer of the plants, but they do have very short stalks that are actually sunk down into the epidermis. There are Capitate-Sessile trichomes, They are called capitate because that means having a globular-shaped head. There are Capitate-Stalked trichomes, where cannabinoids are most abundant and they consists of a tier of secretory disc cells subtending a large non-cellular secretory cavity. There are also trichome stalks, trichomes that do not create round heads. The pointed hairs are called lithocyst cells. They contain cystolyths (calcium carbonate crystals). Not so much as one single one of them is a plant spore ... not one single one of them. Cannabis plants do not produce spores. Cannabis plants reproduce by making seeds. Cannabis plants do not reproduce by making spores.

Plant spores are reproductive organs that are both male and female and are created by plants that do not produce seeds .... trichomes are not reproductive organs, trichomes are not, even by the very broadest use of the term spores, spores.

Brick Top said:

And to think you call me ignorant.

Spores are an asexual method of reproduction in plants. What this means is that spores contain both the male and female reproductive organs, so plants with spores can then reproduce on their own. Spores are what plants that to not produce seeds produce for reproduction, plant spores are reproductive organs that are both male and female and drop from plants and or are carried by the wind and begin new plants.

THC is created in glandular trichome heads. They are trichome heads, not spores.

There are Bulbous trichomes, also called peltate trichomes which are the smallest type of trichomes. They appear to not have a stalk and instead just be a round head on the epidermal layer of the plants, but they do have very short stalks that are actually sunk down into the epidermis. There are Capitate-Sessile trichomes, They are called capitate because that means having a globular-shaped head. There are Capitate-Stalked trichomes, where cannabinoids are most abundant and they consists of a tier of secretory disc cells subtending a large non-cellular secretory cavity. There are also trichome stalks, trichomes that do not create round heads. The pointed hairs are called lithocyst cells. They contain cystolyths (calcium carbonate crystals). Not so much as one single one of them is a plant spore ... not one single one of them. Cannabis plants do not produce spores. Cannabis plants reproduce by making seeds. Cannabis plants do not reproduce by making spores.

Plant spores are reproductive organs that are both male and female and are created by plants that do not produce seeds .... trichomes are not reproductive organs, trichomes are not, even by the very broadest use of the term spores, spores.

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those thc "heads" are spores.... and have been referred to as spores. quit raging all over my god damn thread. you're wrong and just trying to fight like usual.

I've learned that termanology from someone just like you. So if anything, it's your fault and other people that are forceful of information.

Im sure landrace equatorial sativas and the like have adjusted to their enviroment quite well (like how Id imagine their sometimes extremely long flowering cycles are because they know they can depend on lots of consistant and strong sunshine) but to put a plant into flower as a seedling barely starting veg with an immature root system is surely gonna stress the plant. Actually Im just trying to help the guy and get him to veg his random seeds and grow them as naturally as possible to see what happens, gather information for the wider community (thats how we advance as a species), now Im getting jumped on, so forget this, Im out.

tafbang said:

those thc "heads" are spores.... and have been referred to as spores.

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The above is why you will remain ignorant when it comes to growing. I taught you another lesson and you refused to accept it, you flat out rejected factual information. Not so much as one single person who knows the correct terminology for cannabis plants, trichomes of all types, plants in general and spores has ever called trichomes or trichome heads spores.

Only someone who doesn't know their asshole from their ear-hole when it comes to cannabis plants would ever call trichomes or trichome heads plant spores or just spores.

I've learned that termanology from someone just like you.

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Buddy, there ain't no one just like me. I do not mean that as in I know absolutely everything there is to know. I mean it as in I am totally unique ... but in this case, whoever told you that trichomes or trichome heads are spores, they were 100% wrong.

By chance was it the same person, some alleged female horticulturalist, who you said stated that you can sex seedlings when they are only weeks old and that you can sex plants by their odor? It sure sounds like it could have come from the same alleged source.

By the way, in your first thread I asked for the name of the female horticulturalist who claimed sexing could be done that early and that way. You never provided the name. Would you care to provide it now?

I'm sorry if I appeared to be jumping on you.
I was not attacking you I was just questioning yer statement regards 12-12 and stress.
Look at it this way,during spring when most seeds start their cycle the days are still short..............no?

don't feel like you're getting jumped on. I was just curious to why you thought that would stress a plant, I see no science in it unless it goes through generations. but I think a plant adapts itself in it's own lifetime to its environment and surroundings... just like babies, susceptible to adaptation to help it's life. all love here. take care if you're gone though

Harrekin said:

Im sure landrace equatorial sativas and the like have adjusted to their enviroment quite well (like how Id imagine their sometimes extremely long flowering cycles are because they know they can depend on lots of consistant and strong sunshine)

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The reason equatorial sativas, and any true sativa and most crosses that are predominantly sativa have longer flowering periods is a combination of two things .One, their leaves contain less chlorophyll than indicas. Have you ever noticed how they are closer to being a lime green, a light green? And the leaves themselves have less overall area, they are long and skinny/narrow and they catch/gather less light than a dark green (higher in chlorophyll) very wide paddle-like indica leaf. It makes for a slower, longer, overall process.

Well to be honest I made an educated assumption that flowering a plant that isnt vegging let alone sexually mature would be stressful to the plant, along with a poorly developed seedling root system I wouldve thought wouldnt give much of fair example of whether hermie pollenated seeds can grow out as "normal" plants or not, and considering each seed is unique and could be your mystery "superstrain" its worth knowing!

Brick Top said:

The reason equatorial sativas, and any true sativa and most crosses that are predominantly sativa have longer flowering periods is a combination of two things .One, their leaves contain less chlorophyll than indicas. Have you ever noticed how they are closer to being a lime green, a light green? And the leaves themselves have less overall area, they are long and skinny/narrow and they catch/gather less light than a dark green (higher in chlorophyll) very wide paddle-like indica leaf. It makes for a slower, longer, overall process.

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Thank you for that clarification kind sir

EDIT: Anyways (unrelated to above quote), all of the speculation, guessing about stuff that hasnt been studied yet/in detail isnt my style, so Im gonna knock off this thread anyways.

Originally Posted by Brick Top The above is why you will remain ignorant when it comes to growing. I taught you another lesson and you refused to accept it, you flat out rejected factual information. Not so much as one single person who knows the correct terminology for cannabis plants, trichomes of all types, plants in general and spores has ever called trichomes or trichome heads spores.

Only someone who doesn't know their asshole from their ear-hole when it comes to cannabis plants would ever call trichomes or trichome heads plant spores or just spores.

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tafbang said:

My Trichs = to your Anger.
Plenty

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There is no real anger on my part. I am, one more time, attempting to help you by educating you. And like each and every previous attempt I have made you are refusing my help, rejecting accurate information and making the choice to remain ignorant rather than to learn.

"Trichs?" But don't you mean; "spores" Rain Man? That is what you claim they are accurately called, so why not stick with it?

Successful grow is successful

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I guess to you the word success is very flexible and extremely relative. You started out with 8 plants. You ended up with two, one that in your journal you said split and you had to take it early, leaving you with one 7 foot tall plant, allegedly anyway since regardless of how many times people have requested pictures of your 7 foot tall plant you have not supplied a single one.

Even if the one 7 foot plant does exist, one broken plant taken early and one surviving plant out of a total of eight plants to begin with would not rate as being a successful grow in the minds of most. It would be seen as not just a failure but as a complete and utter disaster.

Regardless, you say; "successful grow is successful," and I say inaccurate improper terminology is inaccurate improper terminology ... and that is precisely what calling trichomes and or trichome heads spore is, inaccurate and improper terminology.

Brick Top said:

Don't you mean; "spores" Rain Man?





I guess to you the word success is very flexible and extremely relative. You started out with 8 plants. You ended up with two, one that in your journal you said split and you had to take it early, leaving you with one 7 foot tall plant, allegedly anyway since regardless of how many times people have requested pictures of your 7 foot tall plant you have not supplied a single one.

Even if the one 7 foot plant does exist, one broken plant taken early and one surviving plant out of a total of eight plants to begin with would not rate as being a successful grow in the minds of most. It would be seen as not just a failure but as a complete and utter disaster.

Regardless, you say; "successful grow is successful," and I say inaccurate improper terminology is inaccurate improper terminology ... and that is precisely what calling trichomes and or trichome heads spore is, inaccurate and improper terminology.

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I provided 10 pictures... on the second 1st or 2nd page right after someone requested... exactly when I said I would. did you not see them? if you did see them would you shut the fuck up??? because I'd like for you to shut the fuck up a little bit and quit talking. All you talk about is stress. I even correct myself on my terms and you still call it out, you're a dumb bitch

Brick Top said:

And to think you call me ignorant.

Spores are an asexual method of reproduction in plants. What this means is that spores contain both the male and female reproductive organs, so plants with spores can then reproduce on their own. Spores are what plants that to not produce seeds produce for reproduction, plant spores are reproductive organs that are both male and female and drop from plants and or are carried by the wind and begin new plants.

THC is created in glandular trichome heads. They are trichome heads, not spores.

There are Bulbous trichomes, also called peltate trichomes which are the smallest type of trichomes. They appear to not have a stalk and instead just be a round head on the epidermal layer of the plants, but they do have very short stalks that are actually sunk down into the epidermis. There are Capitate-Sessile trichomes, They are called capitate because that means having a globular-shaped head. There are Capitate-Stalked trichomes, where cannabinoids are most abundant and they consists of a tier of secretory disc cells subtending a large non-cellular secretory cavity. There are also trichome stalks, trichomes that do not create round heads. The pointed hairs are called lithocyst cells. They contain cystolyths (calcium carbonate crystals). Not so much as one single one of them is a plant spore ... not one single one of them. Cannabis plants do not produce spores. Cannabis plants reproduce by making seeds. Cannabis plants do not reproduce by making spores.

Plant spores are reproductive organs that are both male and female and are created by plants that do not produce seeds .... trichomes are not reproductive organs, trichomes are not, even by the very broadest use of the term spores, spores.

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i am watching this thread and passing out infractions. this is tafbangs grow thread. there is no reason for this here.

Brick Top said:

The above is why you will remain ignorant when it comes to growing. I taught you another lesson and you refused to accept it, you flat out rejected factual information. Not so much as one single person who knows the correct terminology for cannabis plants, trichomes of all types, plants in general and spores has ever called trichomes or trichome heads spores.

Only someone who doesn't know their asshole from their ear-hole when it comes to cannabis plants would ever call trichomes or trichome heads plant spores or just spores.



Buddy, there ain't no one just like me. I do not mean that as in I know absolutely everything there is to know. I mean it as in I am totally unique ... but in this case, whoever told you that trichomes or trichome heads are spores, they were 100% wrong.

By chance was it the same person, some alleged female horticulturalist, who you said stated that you can sex seedlings when they are only weeks old and that you can sex plants by their odor? It sure sounds like it could have come from the same alleged source.

By the way, in your first thread I asked for the name of the female horticulturalist who claimed sexing could be done that early and that way. You never provided the name. Would you care to provide it now?

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too late. warning not heard. infraction given.

tafbang said:

those thc "heads" are spores.... and have been referred to as spores. quit raging all over my god damn thread. you're wrong and just trying to fight like usual.

I've learned that termanology from someone just like you. So if anything, it's your fault and other people that are forceful of information.

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No, they're not. Quit being a douche to anyone who dares correct you, as you need it. This thread makes my head hurt, and makes me sad about the state of our society.

Wolverine97 said:

No, they're not. Quit being a douche to anyone who dares correct you, as you need it. This thread makes my head hurt, and makes me sad about the state of our society.

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quit calling people a "douche".

thank you.

this is tafbangs grow thread. he only has to post what he wants to post. the rest of you are on the verge of discipline because of your rude opinions. i would appreciate not having to babysit here anymore. thank you.