Teaming With Microbes......indoors

hydroMD said:

More than one way to slice a cake.

Laugh away, proof is in the pudding bruh


Just because your happy with your results does not make every other method wrong

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as much as we disagree on some fundamental principles & growing philosophies (important to realize and acknowledge that they are indeed principles & philosophies)
you are absolutely correct on that, and it's sorta ironic because pattahabi has a frequent saying that I've read multiple times from him, and i'll quote..
"there are multiple ways to skin a cat" which obviously is another way of saying the same thing you did...
You do make a very valid point, and I think we are all guilty of that a little bit, including myself, and it's human nature.
Pat and I grow fairly close to the same way, and we also have close to the same philosophies also.
To start a thread like this one is essentially looking for an argument (borderline trolling), which... well... just isn't my thing to argue on the internet with people I don't know. I'm not judging, just saying it's not my thing.
Like I have always said, I have seen beautifully grown weed using all sorts of weird ass techniques, hell some of the best tasting and strongest looking herb was grown with human urine as the primary nitrogen input, and alpaca shit for the rest.
I have seen awesome chemically grown weed... I have seen awesome weed grown from bagged soil.
Cannabis is a damn easy plant to grow.. Some people just make it hard.
Meals used as nutrients are cheaper, more efficient, easier, and in my mind yield a better product.
But if you want to use bottles nobody is stopping you, and contrary to the general attitude here, nobody will judge you either....
Ok, I won't judge you, can't speak for others.

just to add my 2 cents. i think the simpler the AACTs, the better. each added input can influence the microbe life. unsulphured pure black strap molasses and worm poo is all you need. you can add kelp meal, alfalfa meal, or fish hydrolysate, but you don't need to. more info at http://microbeorganics.com/

I have a soft spot for the Rev's TLO as that was how I entered the world of organics and the ROLS board. I think he over-complicates some things, but has his techniques dialed in for small-container grows, which he specifies in his book. He has a new edition coming out, so we'll see what he modifies.

If you read along in the articles penned by the Rev in Skunk magazine you'll find several examples where he sorta contradicts himself. Revs methods are really geared for small container home medical growers and it is suggested to use TLO methods as a guide rather than the rule. It is the philosophy of healthy living soil that is at the heart if this. It doesn't need to be as complex as the Rev explains it either which is evident in Zonderkops ebook - go download it if you haven't already

RockinDaGanja said:

I want a quick good organic mix thats pre-inoculated (for lack of a better term) i was gonna go with an organic mix at home depot and add some happy frog, with some extra perlite, humis, a couple of different rock dusts. a layer of hydroton on the bottom. some guanos. Like i said im a former hydro guy so all this organic stuff i. New to me. Would i be better off making my own mix? I have done a couple grows in soil just not completely organic. Open to any suggestions.

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im trying organics on some my plants this year to. just like u i read that book and i bought the living soil from buildasoil.com. the reason i did this was bc i didnt want to fuck it up and then be turned against organic bc of my own mistake. i can tell u right now that this living soil is smoking my other plants that is in ocean forest. they are much taller and look more healthy. if the end product is as good as everone says then i will never be going back to the bottle nutes

BuildASoil does it right. tells you what he puts in his soil and his blog has lots of good info. I list him and KIS Organics for people who don't want to mess with mixing your own soil.

Thanks Richard. I'm blushing.

great video that picks up where teaming with microbes drops you off:

zonderkop said:

just to add my 2 cents. i think the simpler the AACTs, the better. each added input can influence the microbe life. unsulphured pure black strap molasses and worm poo is all you need. you can add kelp meal, alfalfa meal, or fish hydrolysate, but you don't need to. more info at http://microbeorganics.com/

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I should clarify, if the point of your AACT is too add microbe life, then simpler is better. that said, add all kinds of things to your teas to provide a broader spectrum of inputs (e.g., chopped up dandelion leaves/roots and other dynamic accumulators).

zonderkop said:

great video that picks up where teaming with microbes drops you off:

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What these people are doing is amazing I havent watched this video yet but there's also one withe Dragonfly, Jeorge Cervantes and jeff lowden.
Also My AACT is going on day thirteen i keep it indoors in room temperature, in a dark corner of my kitchen. How long will this stay aerobic or useful for? Its a basic tea just blackstrap molasses and worm castings..It seems like it foams up really nice then the foam goes and then it comes back lol. Im still new too organics and compost teas but when you add the other stuff like kelp and alfalfa does that effect shelf life? Also seems like it would be beneficial to have a few different teas brewing at the same time.would that just be a waste of time. Should i brew something like Boogie brew that claims to be a full spectrum tea. Also i like the idea of using dehydrated sugar cane instead of molasses.

i never brewed teas for that long, so don't know. Dragonfly seems to being chopping up different plants (dynamic accumulators like kelp and alfalfa) throwing it in with some compost and letting it gently bubble for a few days (or longer, i haven't read their stuff). they're letting the nutrients in the plants get broken down by microbes before feeding the ladies. basically, you grown your own fertilizers, which is a beautiful idea.

anyway simple AACTs reach peak microbe life around the 24 to 48 hour mark, which is how long they are recommended to be brewed. the fermented teas are brewed for a longer period of time to break down plant matter, etc...

Keep it Simple Organics is a very good company that carries some awesome products for teas and your soil. I use their seaweed extracts and other ingridients i cant make on my land i advise you check them out.

Do any of you guys use liquid fish emulsion..not for teas but feeding the soil?

RockinDaGanja said:

Do any of you guys use liquid fish emulsion..not for teas but feeding the soil?

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RockinDaGanja said:

Do any of you guys use liquid fish emulsion..not for teas but feeding the soil?

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I use fish hydroslate which is similar but a different process is used to create it. I would recommend using hydroslate over emulsion. To each is own. Just look up the difference online and you will get alot of good info.

RockinDaGanja said:

Do any of you guys use liquid fish emulsion..not for teas but feeding the soil?

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Here is a quote i read in another post.

NF Hydrofish is 100% pure fish. It is made by an enzyme digestion process that produces a pure hydrolysate. No water is added. It is made from Australian processed wild caught Tuna, from a sustainably harvested catch.

Fish hydrolysate is better and more effective than a fish emulsion. This is because emulsions have been cooked to remove valuable oils. This process denatures the protein. NF Hydrofish is packed full of natural proteins, amino acids, vitamins and trace elements. They are natural chelating agents that make nutrients immediately available to plants and also stimulate soil microbes.

@SCorganictroth831 very interesting and useful info.
Is this something you use throughout cycles on a schedule. or kind of as needed? Also when you say NF fish are you reffering to neptune harvest?

RockinDaGanja said:

@SCorganictroth831 very interesting and useful info.
Is this something you use throughout cycles on a schedule. or kind of as needed?

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I thought so as well. I use it 3 times as part of a nutrient tea and twice in my aact's throughout the plants life cycle, unless they seem to more. I definitely noticed a difference when i started to use the stuff!

SCorganictroth831 said:

I thought so as well. I use it 3 times as part of a nutrient tea and twice in my aact's throughout the plants life cycle, unless they seem to more. I definitely noticed a difference when i started to use the stuff!

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Nice if ive already been using an emulsion i don't think there should be any problems switching to a hydrolysate.

RockinDaGanja said:

Nice if ive already been using an emulsion i don't think there should be any problems switching to a hydrolysate.

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No i dont see any problem their. Maybe a flush before but probly not necessary.

Yea I dont like flushing unless its absolutely necessary. And I haven't had to yet (except for harvest flush) and i feel like ive been over feeding my plants if anything. No burn at all. I have noticed a white fungus growing on the top of my soil. My plants look fine so ive just been tilling it back into the soil.

RockinDaGanja said:

Yea I dont like flushing unless its absolutely necessary. And I haven't had to yet (except for harvest flush) and i feel like ive been over feeding my plants if anything. No burn at all. I have noticed a white fungus growing on the top of my soil. My plants look fine so ive just been tilling it back into the soil.

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This white fungus, is it hairy or more clumpy? And does it turn yellowish to golden when you leave it exposed on top do you know?

SCorganictroth831 said:

This white fungus, is it hairy or more clumpy? And does it turn yellowish to golden when you leave it exposed on top do you know?

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Definatley hairy like cobwebs almost. I haven't noticed it turning into gold colored but like i said i usually lightly work it back into the soil. Every once in a while a mushroom will grow out of my soil as well.