Tell Me What You Think The Role Of Your Race In America Is?

MrDank007 said:

So which warlord poverty driven country would you like to catch AIDS in?

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I lol'd hard at this post! I've been to a few of those "warlord poverty driven" African countries and I have no desire to ever go back there.

I'm really surprised nobody has mentioned Liberia. It was established by the citizens of the United States as a colony for former Africa-American slaves. Sierra Leone was the same thing, only set up by the British government.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Liberia

Carne Seca said:

Here we go with the trolling and asinine posts that contribute to the problem rather than help seek a solution. Way to go guys.

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Might I respectfully suggest you and the rest of the racist liberals on here are paranoid loons who care more about being a victim and worrying about what other people think of them than lifting yourself up through work, education and ethical morals.

I get such a laugh when I see sheeple who've bought into this propaganda:

"Laws that are effectively racist persist: sentencing differentials between crack and other cocaine, harsher sentencing for drugs within a mile of a school (which make all drug sentencing in cities harsher because schools are so close together), etc."

They also like to cite the simple statistical fact that there are more non-whites incarcerated than whites, then they stare at you with a stunned look on their face wondering why you cannot see what to them is obvious. Do you think it ever crosses their minds, even once, that maybe reality is that more non-whites commit crimes than whites!?

Spleefmeister said:

I get such a laugh when I see sheeple who've bought into this propaganda:

"Laws that are effectively racist persist: sentencing differentials between crack and other cocaine, harsher sentencing for drugs within a mile of a school (which make all drug sentencing in cities harsher because schools are so close together), etc."

They also like to cite the simple statistical fact that there are more non-whites incarcerated than whites, then they stare at you with a stunned look on their face wondering why you cannot see what to them is obvious. Do you think it ever crosses their minds, even once, that maybe reality is that more non-whites commit crimes than whites!?

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No need to get personal-- take a toke and relax. Your views are justified based on your experience-- let me just throw some interesting info out there for consideration.

With the sentencing differentials, I was only pointing out what is common knowledge in policy circles. Laws like those are being currently being challenged in courts and are being legislatively changed because they are recognized as discriminatory. It is anything but propaganda.

As for who does the crime: The incarceration rate 2006 for white men was 736 per 100,000, for black men 4,789 per 100,000, for Hispanic men 1,862 per 100,000. That’s a big difference, and everyone agrees it is a problem. The thing is, that it is a complicated problem.

First, the majority of folks in prison are there because of drugs:
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/node/63

Drug use is nearly as frequent among whites as blacks (http://www.oas.samhsa.gov/2k7/popDensity/popDensity.pdf)

BUT In every year from 1980 to 2007, blacks were arrested nationwide on drug charges at rates relative to population that were 2.8 to 5.5 times higher than white arrest rates. (http://www.hrw.org/en/node/81105/section/2#_ftn1)

No magic here. The fact is that police arrest and incarcerate blacks more frequently for a crime whites are guilty of nearly as often.

What areas were the arrest in? How many were repeat offenders? Are you advocating affirmative action arresting?

MrDank007 said:

What areas were the arrest in? How many were repeat offenders? Are you advocating affirmative action arresting?

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Those arrest rates are nationwide (check link and their footnote). Don't have the repeat offender info, but it is an interesting question-- look for some research on that if you want, I would be interested.

Affirmative action arresting? I think you missed the point. It is difficult to say "non-whites commit more crimes" when the data suggests (for drugs only -- half of prison population) whites engage in the same rate of illegal activity but are arrested less.

Ok. I'll bite. What conclusion was arrived at for why whites are arrested less then?

MrDank007 said:

Ok. I'll bite. What conclusion was arrived at for why whites are arrested less then?

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The report doesn't go into why there are more arrests, only that this disparity, rather than actual drug use leads to higher incarceration of blacks.

My own theory-- Since 80% of drug arrests are for possession, the disparity has to do with who gets searched. In poor areas of cities, there is more drug use in public view; also, there is more 'stop and frisk' activity. I don't personally think police have a hankerin' to search blacks more than whites, but they do search poor urbanites-- who are predominantly black.

So it is a demographic coincidence and not discriminatory laws...in which case I say sorry...don't do crack...or at least don't get busted

That or get the hell out of the cities, eh?

I've yapped enough on this thread for now. It's good to have the conversation.

Peace.

Likewise. It's hard to argue that breaking the law is somehow worse for some than others. The takeaway is to not do it or stay out of the cross hairs regardless of race.

The struggle is not of race but of economics.
Poverty is color blind

Dear Gazer:

I have a problem with people like you spreading lies and propaganda as fact. Amazing how you pass off these groundless opinions as truth: "The fact is that police arrest and incarcerate blacks more frequently for a crime whites are guilty of nearly as often. "

Even you explanation of the crack vs. powder doesn't make sense. Yeah, I know, let's arrest all those Newport smokers but leave the Marlboro ones alone.

You are the epitome of a racist.

I intend to comment on this subject in more detail at another time, but for now let me just say; shouldn't the question be at the present day and age: What do you think about man-kinds role in the universe? The oppression that you speak of has been going on for much longer than just 500 years, we are just aware of more of it because of modern day communications, and people have a tendency to think of history in terms of the last 200 - 500 years. What we have now is the result of about 2,450 years of a dominator culture, it has been so all over the world. I write this to you all with a sense of unconditional love, and here it doesn't matter my skin or hair color, my height or weight, my background or my biological sex. Here I am just another human being who loves the diversity of this planet. Peace to you all.

Don't have a race role, but as a person my job is to try and help others and attempt to make this world a better place...sometimes I succeed sometimes I fail...

Nitegazer said:

No need to get personal-- take a toke and relax. Your views are justified based on your experience-- let me just throw some interesting info out there for consideration.

With the sentencing differentials, I was only pointing out what is common knowledge in policy circles. Laws like those are being currently being challenged in courts and are being legislatively changed because they are recognized as discriminatory. It is anything but propaganda.

As for who does the crime: The incarceration rate 2006 for white men was 736 per 100,000, for black men 4,789 per 100,000, for Hispanic men 1,862 per 100,000. That’s a big difference, and everyone agrees it is a problem. The thing is, that it is a complicated problem.

First, the majority of folks in prison are there because of drugs:
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/node/63

Drug use is nearly as frequent among whites as blacks (http://www.oas.samhsa.gov/2k7/popDensity/popDensity.pdf)

BUT In every year from 1980 to 2007, blacks were arrested nationwide on drug charges at rates relative to population that were 2.8 to 5.5 times higher than white arrest rates. (http://www.hrw.org/en/node/81105/section/2#_ftn1)

No magic here. The fact is that police arrest and incarcerate blacks more frequently for a crime whites are guilty of nearly as often.

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He's just a troll. It's best to ignore him. Spleenfarter has no point to make other than he's a racist and a homophobe. That's the extent of his existence.

Carne Seca said:

He's just a troll. It's best to ignore him. Spleenfarter has no point to make other than he's a racist and a homophobe. That's the extent of his existence.

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If everybody just ignores the trolls they eventually go away. These are deeply disturbed individuals that didn't get enough hugs from their Mama or their daddies used to beat them for torturing small animals. No attention, no trolls.

tmf said:

I intend to comment on this subject in more detail at another time, but for now let me just say; shouldn't the question be at the present day and age: What do you think about man-kinds roll in the universe? The oppression that you speak of has been going on for much longer than just 500 years, we are just aware of more of it because of modern day communications, and people have a tendency to think of history in terms of the last 200 - 500 years. What we have now is the result of about 2,450 years of a dominator culture, it has been so all over the world. I write this to you all with a sense of unconditional love, and here it doesn't matter my skin or hair color, my height or weight, my background or my biological sex. Here I am just another human being who loves the diversity of this planet. Peace to you all.

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Yeah what is this reality we find ourselves in.
Why do we invent mythology to replace truth?

Ernst said:

Yeah what is this reality we find ourselves in.
Why do we invent mythology to replace truth?

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Because neither religion or science is definitive. Even an evolutionist once told me that proof is only for math and booze. I believe it was Heisenburg.

taint said:

Ya know lincoln was killed before he could send them back to mother africa.
Ya don't seriously think you'd be better off there do ya?
You can always move to africa if ya want to.....................but why would ya.
Perhaps if yer "race" would man up and take responsibility for yer actions and morals ya wouldn't have the probs ya do.
I am mulatto myself and place zero credibility on racial purity or superiority or any of that shit.

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This is not meant to be a racist remark.

To be honest, I think every civilization would had been better off if they were not integrated by caucasions. We would still be fending for ourselves and governing ourselves. Alot if not most people don't like someone who looks different than them having authority over them.

A black man did not draw a map of africa and decide where its borders should be. A non indigenous white man did.

My place of origin was conquered and reeped of its resources. Nowadays in reality I would not be better off there, but I can't help but think what could of been.