Tesla New Model Unveil...

guitarguy10 · Jun 6, 2021

Gen IV nuclear power stations are MUCH SAFER then the coal and other power generating stations and provide the necessary energy densities. It's so unfortunate that disaster from 35 years ago still shapes peoples perceptions today, an accident that happened in a reactor type that the rest of the world decried at that time for being dangerous too.

They (Gen IV) are much safer then most people seem to realize and salt reactors are still experimental with very little real world safety to put behind them unlike the 70+ years that conventional reactor designed has allowed design to mature into.

Also fuck Elon Musk and his alien baby X AE X-12 or whatever his rich fancy ass named his unfortunate child. Can anyone tell I'm having a rough day lol.

hanimmal · Jun 6, 2021

guitarguy10 said:
Maybe one of you Elon fanboys can tell me what's so special about him that makes him any different then all of the other Billionaires that everyone thinks are evil. It's like people think he builds these cars or rockets himself and doesn't partner with in an expert in the field to do it for him (and then take the credit).

Also how are electric vehicles going to help us combat climate change when the electricity being generated to power them is still being generated by coal, oil and gas burning power stations. We're just moving the goal posts from the gas station to the arguably more polluting power station.

Sorry i'm in a cranky mood today, but I also don't like Elon Musk, he's just another one of the glorified Billionaires, just as evil if not more.

Im am not a fan of Musk, so you might not want this from me.

But the use would need to be less of the burning to power electric cars. The part to think more about imo is that the moving of the goal posts towards us burning less is the way we need to do this as a society. Constantly moving the goal posts closer and closer to not being such a dirty species.

Science builds on previous science. As we figure out things and they start being used then people are able to figure out how to make them better. But it has to start somewhere.

I just hope that Musk isn't as big of a fraud as he comes off as.

doublejj · Jun 6, 2021

guitarguy10 said:
Gen IV nuclear power stations are MUCH SAFER then the coal and other power generating stations and provide the necessary energy densities. It's so unfortunate that disaster from 35 years ago still shapes peoples perceptions today, an accident that happened in a reactor type that the rest of the world decried at that time for being dangerous too.

They (Gen IV) are much safer then most people seem to realize and salt reactors are still experimental with very little real world safety to put behind them unlike the 70+ years that conventional reactor designed has allowed design to mature into.

Also fuck Elon Musk and his alien baby X AE X-12 or whatever his rich fancy ass named his unfortunate child. Can anyone tell I'm having a rough day lol.

Despite billions spent on cleanup, Hanford won't be clean for thousands of years

Despite billions spent on cleanup, Hanford won't be clean for thousands of years

Oregon officials say the U.S. Department of Energy projections show the federal government needs to clean up more of the waste that has already leaked and spilled at Hanford instead of capping and leaving it, a less expensive alternative.

www.oregonlive.com

Budley Doright · Jun 6, 2021

This is almost like being at a Trump rally :eyesmoke:

guitarguy10 · Jun 6, 2021

doublejj said:
Despite billions spent on cleanup, Hanford won't be clean for thousands of years
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Despite billions spent on cleanup, Hanford won't be clean for thousands of years

Oregon officials say the U.S. Department of Energy projections show the federal government needs to clean up more of the waste that has already leaked and spilled at Hanford instead of capping and leaving it, a less expensive alternative.

www.oregonlive.com

That's why we should be using Gen IV reactors and not the Gen I, II and Manhattan Project nuclear artifacts of the last century.

Thanks for making my point for me.

doublejj · Jun 6, 2021

guitarguy10 said:
That's why we should be using Gen IV reactors and not the Gen I, II and Manhattan Project nuclear artifacts of the last century.

Thanks for making my point for me.

clean Gen IV reactor = clean coal......there is no such thing.

mooray · Jun 6, 2021

All forms of energy have major problems, especially at our gross levels of consumption, but hydroelectric is probably the least shitty method as far as poisonous/cancerous toxicity is concerned.

Budley Doright said:
This is almost like being at a Trump rally

The "teslas will save the earth" is 100% a drunk jonestown trumper qanon mentality in that it completely departs from reality. People want them to take over, but forget what 300 million teslas looks like. That's 360 billion pounds of battery. And if you want full-e use, that's about ten 250w solar panels per car to charge them everyday, which is 3 billion solar panels, and at least as many pounds of silicon. Then there's the other 3000-4000 pounds of the car times 300 million cars to deal with. Oh and if you look at the curve of growth over the last 50 years, by the time the obese electric hummer tesla style takes over, it's not 300 million anymore, it's 600 million and everything doubles.

The problems all boil down to our culture, in that, freedom is akin to using as much energy as we want, having as many kids as we want, and buying whatever we want. In many EU countries, they culturally pride themselves on minimalism and efficiency. That will never be us, which means that our path will be much more painful.

doublejj · Jun 6, 2021

mooray said:
All forms of energy have major problems, especially at our gross levels of consumption, but hydroelectric is probably the least shitty method as far as poisonous/cancerous toxicity is concerned.

The "teslas will save the earth" is 100% a drunk jonestown trumper qanon mentality in that it completely departs from reality. People want them to take over, but forget what 300 million teslas looks like. That's 360 billion pounds of battery. And if you want full-e use, that's about ten 250w solar panels per car to charge them everyday, which is 3 billion solar panels, and at least as many pounds of silicon. Then there's the other 3000-4000 pounds of the car times 300 million cars to deal with. Oh and if you look at the curve of growth over the last 50 years, by the time the obese electric hummer tesla style takes over, it's not 300 million anymore, it's 600 million and everything doubles.

The problems all boil down to our culture, in that, freedom is akin to using as much energy as we want, having as many kids as we want, and buying whatever we want. In many EU countries, they culturally pride themselves on minimalism and efficiency. That will never be us, which means that our path will be much more painful.

the batteries used in Teslas arent lead acid batteries and are 100% recyclable. And battery technology is ever evolving and will only get lighter and better. EV's are the way....

TacoMac · Jun 6, 2021

guitarguy10 said:
Gen IV nuclear power stations are MUCH SAFER then the coal and other power generating stations and provide the necessary energy densities.

Yes and no.

They still require high pressure to operate and still have to use higher grade enriched uranium and plutonium fuel. Safer than what we have now? Yes. Most definitely. By a factor of roughly 10.

But the Molten Salt Reactor is, by far, the safest design ever created. It uses depleted uranium as fuel, which we have TONS of. All that used fuel from nuclear reactors is the fuel that runs a MSR reactor.

What's more, it's impossible to melt down. Literally. It can not happen.

That's where we need to go for many reasons. First and foremost, it's by far the safest design. Secondly, it will take all those millions of tons of used radioactive fuel that will take 10,000 years to break down and turn it into fuel that by the time it's used up its half life will be only 500 years.

TacoMac · Jun 6, 2021

doublejj said:
the batteries used in Teslas arent lead acid batteries and are 100% recyclable.

Yes and no.

It's a very complicated process that is cost prohibitive. That's why not many people do it. At present, most manufacturers simply store the old batteries rather than recycle them because it's cheaper.

According to Tesla itself, only 60% of the components in its used batteries are recycled.

Tesla says that it recycles 60 percent of the components from its lithium-ion batteries once they’ve reached end of life.

doublejj · Jun 6, 2021

Unlike fossil fuels, which release harmful emissions into the atmosphere that are not recovered for reuse, materials in a Tesla lithium-ion battery are recoverable and recyclable. Battery materials are refined and put into a cell, and will still remain in the cell at the end of their life, when they can be recycled to recover its valuable materials for reuse over and over again.