Testing InnoLed's 120w horticultural led fixture= Let there be warm white/ high cri light!:)

SDS you're making things way too complicated again... It's a glass lens, it will have a minimum of about 4% reflection per surface, 8% total. The only way to improve on that is anti reflection coatings. Judging from PSU's photo the lens is not coated.

IMO it makes sense to remove the lens if and only if there are reflective walls nearby. The more diffused light will give a nice symmetrical development of the seedlings.

Grnlife said:

I just want to reiterate, what we specialized in is our patented LED light engine

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Cool, can you give the patent number?

MrFlux said:

SDS you're making things way too complicated again... It's a glass lens, it will have a minimum of about 4% reflection per surface, 8% total. The only way to improve on that is anti reflection coatings. Judging from PSU's photo the lens is not coated.

IMO it makes sense to remove the lens if and only if there are reflective walls nearby. The more diffused light will give a nice symmetrical development of the seedlings.


Cool, can you give the patent number?

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WTF ?

You and a close friend of mine ( Astrophysicist-keen Astronomer ) you claim the same exact thing(s) :

" SDS you're making things way too complicated again... It's a glass lens, it will have a minimum of about 4% reflection per surface, 8% total. The only way to improve on that is anti reflection coatings. "


Is this some kind of "thumb-rule " ?
That 4% reflection ?
What about internal absorption ,then ?
How come only the reflection is accounted only ?
Is it about same for all type of (uncoated ) optical glass ?
(You seem to know a lot about 'optics' ,Mr .Flux ... ..
Share some knowledge,bruv !!! )

Cheers

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WTF ? Share some knowledge,bruv !!!

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My knowledge is your knowledge I hold nothing back. So yes, 4% is a sort of rule of thumb, the actual value depends on incident angle and refractive index and can be calculated with the Fresnel equations. The amount of absorption is negligible for any semi decent glass.

Btw what sets optical glass apart from normal glass is that it's optical properties, especially refractive index, depend as little as possible on wavelength. This is to prevent color fringing (chromatic aberration) where things get blurry with blue on one side and orange on the other, you can see this with a really cheap plastic magnifying glass. Would optical glass be needed for a LED collimator? No not at all. Some anti reflective coating would be nice but is probably too expensive.

PSU sorry bout all the off topicness, I hope your babies are doing fine.

No worries friend......knowledgeable and friendly conversations are always welcome.

Anyways it will pass the time till we get to flower

All led panels veg well so their isn't much to show of interest.....the babies are fine and I salvaged the two seedlings; going in with 8/10 nl/bb.

Also planted my companion crop of crimson clovers today around the pot's perimeters.....

Be safe grower

Hey PSUAGRO - When you get a chance can you post up some updated pics of your girls? I know there's not much to look at right now, but just wanted to see how big they've gotten.

A little update on how we stand in veg under "120 watts" of 98 cri & 3200k ww light source

Day 5 of 12/12 "from seed" with my 8 peakseeds nl x bb kiddies



moving/rotating/moving/rotating/moving/ rotating pots........lol, but really I want them to get light from random angles in this circle/ with low wattage. The two lagging way behind made it; barely(I guess I was under misting to the point of death). Removing the cups early was my mistake and I can't blame them this time The 4 plants that got the extra 3-5 days(24/0) are about to go into high gear.

Very tight growth as you can see, weird but these are heavy indicas.......still abnormally stacked IMO.

Some crimson clovers are starting to sprout already and I'm misting them like a vigilant mofo.......^^ the pot perimeters staying moist constantly.

they will get NO nutrients for awhile( till late flower?) as this mix is HEAVY on the dte vegan fert.......Just plain aerated water till my trademark defs show up

kind of a shit-show with all these different sprout days & growth rates!.......trying my best with what I have to work with.

be safe and happy growing RIU

EDIT: here's your update Innoled, lol, was probably writing it as you asked for it!! crazy

Master P, sorry if I missed it, but did you mention if there was a specific reason for doing 2 per pot? So far so good brother. I might have missed this too...How high is the light from the babies?

^^^ probably if theres males to make sure he has 4 females.. like green santa always does.

"Master P" Make em say unggggggh na-nah na-nah

puffenuff said:

Master P, sorry if I missed it, but did you mention if there was a specific reason for doing 2 per pot? So far so good brother. I might have missed this too...How high is the light from the babies?

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Master P??? ha............Anyways friend as mr hyroot has stated I wanted to run 10 in these pots( lost 2), more #s for regs is necessary obviously. Now if I get 8 girls that would be an interesting curve-ball.

the fixture is a little under a foot away from the kids.............be safe

hyroot said:

^^^ probably if theres males to make sure he has 4 females.. like green santa always does.

"Master P" Make em say unggggggh na-nah na-nah

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lol...................you be safe as well, and no "kitty play"

PSUARGO....credit where credit is due bruv!!!..


testing a new light for all of use to reep the rewards if it passes..

congrats man...

Update time..............................I'm OFF today


Day 10 of 12/12 from seed under 120w Innoled fixture with my 8 nl x bb kiddies:

........no stretching or any spacing whatsoever under 12/12 for now..............I even checked the timer to make sure!...... don't get it, this is definitely NOT like growing under HPS from start, even with these heavy indicas IMO.

none have showed sex yet, should be able to confirm within the next two weeks...........the 4 with the early start(24/0) have definitely taken off in the last 5 days. more light==== more growth, every time.....just saying

................well it looks like my time with this fixture is coming to an end, they have discontinued the fixture and are releasing all their products with an updated denser/brighter quantum dot chips(still 3200k, same spectra). So I will be using the newer(120w) version when it arrives, they wanted an accurate representation of their company=== which I agree with, makes no sense testing something that NO one will use anyways.........lol

be safe and happy growing RIU

PSUAGRO. said:

................well it looks like my time with this fixture is coming to an end, they have discontinued the fixture and are releasing all their products with an updated denser/brighter quantum dot chips.

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Oh sweet.....so you will be able to send it to me for 'testing'....?

Jeez...so hard to keep up with led tech! Soon as you get something..BAM!....new edition..lol

I wonder if they will ever sell their chips separately for the DIY crowd?

Looking good PSUAGRO! Here's a sneak peak at what you will be receiving later this week. We're discontinuing the square chip design and releasing the new smaller, denser, brighter 120 lumens per watt chip. Your concern about light lost to the side before has been eliminated! The unit we're going to send you is a test unit, so it doesn't look as pretty, but the performance is there.

I did some testing with the foot candle meter on this new 100w chip for your reference. As you know foot candle and lumen measurements are totally different. This was tested with 120 degree lens on. Again with the lens off, the foot candle power was more or less 20-25% less.

at 3" - 840 foot candle
at 6" - 470 foot candle
at 12" - 220 foot candle
At 24" - 71 foot candle

Can wait to see them flower. Fast forward……

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I did some testing with the foot candle meter on this new 100w chip for your reference.
As you know foot candle and lumen measurements are totally different.
This was tested with 120 degree lens on. Again with the lens off, the foot candle power was more or less 20-25% less.

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your website: http://innoledinc.com/product/100wattledgrowlight/
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Lens: Our 120 watt system uses a half dome acrylic lens that radiates a 170 degree beam spread for maximum coverage and yield. This reflective lens is particularly suited for rack systems or low and medium height grow areas where high foot candles output is required.

same light???

"As you know foot candle and lumen measurements are totally different"
yes, as there is no way to measurement lumen directly.
Lumen = Lux·m²

half dome acrylic lens....reflective lens....
makes sense
google:half dome acrylic lens

Chronikool said:

Oh sweet.....so you will be able to send it to me for 'testing'....?

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Sure no problem buddy , I'll just tell Innoled it got "lost" in the mail..............BUT I will need your HOME address

Grnlife said:

Looking good PSUAGRO! Here's a sneak peak at what you will be receiving later this week. We're discontinuing the square chip design and releasing the new smaller, denser, brighter 120 lumens per watt chip. Your concern about light lost to the side before has been eliminated! The unit we're going to send you is a test unit, so it doesn't look as pretty, but the performance is there.

I did some testing with the foot candle meter on this new 100w chip for your reference. As you know foot candle and lumen measurements are totally different. This was tested with 120 degree lens on. Again with the lens off, the foot candle power was more or less 20-25% less.

at 3" - 840 foot candle
at 6" - 470 foot candle
at 12" - 220 foot candle
At 24" - 71 foot candle

Can wait to see them flower. Fast forward……


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Good to see you fixed the light leak!!........one of my pet peeves. Also I don't care how it looks, it's all about performance to me

YES fast a forward option would be nice

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Positivity said:

Jeez...so hard to keep up with led tech! Soon as you get something..BAM!....new edition..lol

I wonder if they will ever sell their chips separately for the DIY crowd?

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That's how it goes in the led world, just like cell-phones=== you walk out the store and it's outdated already....lol

I bet if you buy over 1000 chips they'll sell it to you............maybe



Alright, time for another update.............

DAY 15 of 12/12 from seed under "120w" InnoLed horti fixture with my 8 northernberry kiddies:

Still under "old sparky"lol, and waiting for the replacement to get here. starting to see some stretch finally from the larger kids. They are really taking off now, need them sexed asap. Looks good to me so far with lots of rotating.

The heavy DTE vegan soil mix seems to be fine, no hiccups with just plain water ATM.

temps/rh are perfect for the next couple of days...............


be safe and happy growing RIU.

Those are some ' stocky-bushy ' healthy plants ,alright ..
Great so far ,I must say ..

very indica and very short node spacing, still growing pretty fast.

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Those are some ' stocky-bushy ' healthy plants ,alright ..
Great so far ,I must say ..

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Yeah not bad so far..............really want them to start flowering..........let's move it kiddies!!!

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very indica and very short node spacing, still growing pretty fast.

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Great temps and rh will do that.................getting toasty here now......

Alright figured I'd give an update as the NEW "120w" test panel arrived:

Old on the left/ NEW on the right, light leak is fixed and lens angle seems tighter to me?? since this is a beta panel, it is unfinished and driver remote; which is fine as performance is all we care about in here

.............old fixture coverage and "intensity"

new fixture coverage and "intensity".........we are at day 18 of 12/12 and two of the larger kids may be female, still not sure......well this is the light source they will get till the end, AND lens will stay ON.

..........old bitch going back to california or chroni's house......borrowing a kilowatt meter to see what the new one actually pulls very soon. Wanted to also test the Hans v1 and indagro par 100+ pontoon just to make sure they where accurate too, but I put them in storage already; depends on how I feel that day if I grab them or not......

be safe and happy growing RIU

I hope you don't get toasty buds again this summer.. On a side note. Mo had some sativas dried in the sun. Brown weed. It was pretty good though. Tasty too.