Tga strain choice

BlazedMonkey said:

So what breeder would you go with if you find tga to be subpar?

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I can name plenty of good breeders that charge less than tga for one serious seeds ak47 and kali mist cost the same as all tga's strains and you can't go wrong with either. mr. nice has a lot of good strains most of them are cheaper actually if you look at price per seed as you get atleast 18 per pack their actually cheaper even super silver haze not to mention you can get them for about half price of attitude at the mr. nice auction. sensi seeds has a lot of good strains but their really good ones are a bit pricey. DJ shorts got some good shit but also slightly more pricey than tga.paradise seeds sensi star is a great strain and all their strains are also cheaper than tga. I can keep going but I don't really care what you do its your time and money. but I go for strains more so than breeders and tga don't have a strain thats all that special the 1 award they've got is for vortex. while dna and calli conection are winning awards left and right.

Shaggn said:

Cool, thx for the heads-up Did you end up with any crossings to achieve what your were looking for? Did/are you still geting male stame?? If you are is it still sterile?

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i got about 30 left, probably had 200-300 from that particular pollen chuck, the male had many visible trichomes on the pollen sacks, purpling too and orange smell. If the stamen ARE sterile then its a harmless trait, i never got to find out as i pluck them off immediately after i spot them. the male was also used on a grapefruit smelling "Fruit Auto" from dinafem and the offspring were rubbish, i blame the shitty auto for most of it.

hazey grapes said:

in just re-reading the tread, it sounds like what you REALLY want is jack the ripper. that's supposed to be their most trippy strain. that's probably why it has a violent name, but one person who's tried a few of their strains said "their sativas are real deal just as their indies are". i bet you'd like 3rd dimension, apollo 13 & JC2 as well.

cleaner has a little more stone than i like, not as much as skunk #1, but it has a warmer more euphoric genuinely visual trippy high that also has an intense body sensations effect that's touchy feely. i hate getting stoned, but the full range of effects in thatstrain impressed me every bit as much as columbian gold which eventually does turn stony after a month.

if you can't find a single strain you like out of any 3 random TGA strains, you're one tough customer. the 1st one i tried made me laugh once i realized the invisible ripples of color where i was massaging my arms and chest was an actual visual effect. haze x skunk is more motivational and maybe potent, but it's a blunt instrument in comparison and probably not quite as trippy and definitely not as tasty.

definitely share your smoke report experience.

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You complain about JTR, but the Agent Orange is in just as poor taste.

Jillybean- Calming indica with zero anxiety and great orange flavor.

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would really appreciate comparisons between jillybean and agent orange. either one sounds like a great match for lemony malawi gold with AO preserving more of the trippy side. i just don't like growing skunky strains, but that's where all the orange is.

if TGA subcool only have 4 top males to breed with, they could make 16 different crosses with just 4 females, each with different personalities. i don't see what the problem with that is. the flavors, colors and highs still vary. it's not much different from selecting one's favorite pheno from almost any breeder's gear, only you get to pick your "phenos" in advance. i know one of the querkle crosses sounds much more interesting than the other and think agent o sounds a little more interesting to me than jilly bean.

take a look at serious seeds, they can't have much more than 7-8 strains total if that.

more than anything, i want to know that whatever i'm buying comes from TWO high quality parents. some crosses are more generic than others. i don't want to start with schwag in the stuff i smoke and breed myself. JC2 proved to me that the breeders have at least 2 seriously capable parents. i intend to sample a few more strains now, mostly on the high side.

i WISH i had the gear TGA breeds with! the offspring is the next best thing and back crossing it is even better. a blackberry soda dominant plant sounds interesting.

You complain about JTR, but the Agent Orange is in just as poor taste.

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true up to a point. i guess i was just thinking in terms of a color and not what it represents. just saying the name doesn't instantly trigger the same imagery. in fact, more than the chem weapon, i always thought of clementine's hair color of the same name in eternal sunshine. you make a good point. i can live without AO. it's a shame, but life goes on. pun intended

bluntmassa1 said:

but I go for strains more so than breeders and tga don't have a strain thats all that special the 1 award they've got is for vortex. while dna and calli conection are winning awards left and right.

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hahahha ok thats the worst way to shop for seeds and your trying to trash talk a breeder..stability is pretty much a by the breeder kind of thing, for instance dutch passion fems are known to hermie and be garbage and cali connect has a bad rap for hermies and garbage genetics..shopping by strain and not breeders proven by yourself is not smart neither is buying strains because they have won awards..most of those awards are either bought, recieved by luck, or given out in such a rush it cant be accurate! anyway subcool doesnt really enter into any competitions so that would be why they only have one award...now cn we get back on topic..someone should make a new tga poll to see what the best are

kermit2692 said:

hahahha ok thats the worst way to shop for seeds and your trying to trash talk a breeder..stability is pretty much a by the breeder kind of thing, for instance dutch passion fems are known to hermie and be garbage and cali connect has a bad rap for hermies and garbage genetics..shopping by strain and not breeders proven by yourself is not smart neither is buying strains because they have won awards..most of those awards are either bought, recieved by luck, or given out in such a rush it cant be accurate! anyway subcool doesnt really enter into any competitions so that would be why they only have one award...now cn we get back on topic..someone should make a new tga poll to see what the best are

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well i did not mention dutch passion or their fems. the only thing I said about calli connection is they win awards. subcool does enter into those medical cannabis cups. did I miss somthing dumb ass? and me saying shoping by strain I ment like serious seeds ak-47 and kali mist sensi seeds jack herrer northern lights etc. I shop for good strains by good breeders cause even good breeders have not so great strains punk. I myself have seen more herms come from tga than calli connection and cc winning awards over tga in medical cannabis cups is cause cc is obviously a better grower cause it aint like amsterdam where any fool can buy a judges pass the judges are jorge cervantes, danny danko, etc and I doubt their getting paid off its all about who does a better job with the best cut and tga only has 1 cup out how many years now? and I really don't care for calli connection so I'm not just kissing their ass.

I had good & bad experience with Subcool seed's 5 seeds/pack isn't enough to make a good selection you better buy 2-3 pack minimum. It would be more reasonable if all breeder would sell their seeds in 18 pack like Mr.Nice. My two favorite TGA Subcool strain : Jack's Cleaner 2 & Querkle

Geronimo420 said:

I had good & bad experience with Subcool seed's 5 seeds/pack isn't enough to make a good selection you better buy 2-3 pack minimum. It would be more reasonable if all breeder would sell their seeds in 18 pack like Mr.Nice. My two favorite TGA Subcool strain : Jack's Cleaner 2 & Querkle

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for real thats my favorite thing about mr. nice I recently got three strains from him at the auction and I got 20,22,24 seeds of each strain I popped 10 of each and I got 36 seeds left and I only paid about $150 total for the 3 strains. sure as shit beats paying $113 plus shipping and extra for gaurenteed shipping for a 10 pack of tga seeds thats damn near $150 for 10 tga beans which is what I payed for 66 mr. nice seeds I love that auction they have plus they gaurentee shiping for free my only problem now is I have too many seeds to think about ordering anything else right now.lol

kermit2692 said:

if your going to choose two and its only out of three....just get em all!!

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too many people like spending money, and then complaining they are poor later. sad really.

Vortex I believe it won a cannabis cup when it was not influenced by seed company politics.
The Flav eventhough Subcool is the master of polhybriding this one is more homogenous than Kaboom.

bluntmassa1 said:

for real thats my favorite thing about mr. nice I recently got three strains from him at the auction and I got 20,22,24 seeds of each strain I popped 10 of each and I got 36 seeds left and I only paid about $150 total for the 3 strains. sure as shit beats paying $113 plus shipping and extra for gaurenteed shipping for a 10 pack of tga seeds thats damn near $150 for 10 tga beans which is what I payed for 66 mr. nice seeds I love that auction they have plus they gaurentee shiping for free my only problem now is I have too many seeds to think about ordering anything else right now.lol

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You aren't kidding about the mr. Nice seed auction, I just picked up some Angel's Breath (M. Haze x Afg Haze), G13 Widow, and Neville's Skunk (Neville's Haze x Skunk #1) for less than half the original price on each pack. And for real, the problem with TGA, and many other recent breeders, is that while they may have a genetic goldmine, you never know what your are going to get with poly-poly F2s. It's not that they are doing anything specifically wrong, but paying the price they ask for their beans, and then having none of them meet the description on the package, is probably pretty frustrating, and I have heard that happen to many people, especially since TGA is one of the few brands stocked by the local dispensaries here.

Part of it is a buyer beware issue, but I don't know if it fair to expect people to comprehend plant genetics when they buy a bag of seeds. However, people wanting strain stability should consider the parentage of the strain. All of a plant's qualities are determined by chromosome inheritance and cannabis has 20 chromosome pairs in its genetic makeup. If you simply consider the mathematics of the combination of two different plants, each with 2 possible contributions for each chromosome, then you will get an idea of the true amount of variation possible in a poly-poly hybrid. It is not only possible, but more likely than not, that you will get genetic combinations that have little resemblance to either parent, and are instead wholly unique genetic combinations, and predicting the outcomes in advance is fairly difficult.

What on earth are poly-poly F2s? Now you're just making up words. First of all, TGA strains are poly-hybrid F1s just like those two Mr. Nice strains you listed. Just like Haze, Skunk, OG Kush, ect. Shit, everything that's not a landrace is a poly-hybrid now a days. Just because a strain is a poly-hyrbid does not make it unstable.

TGA gear is just as stable as any other. And you have as good of a chance finding a keeper in a 10 pack with them just like you are if you ran something from any other breeders not named Barneys or Greenhouse.

cotchept said:

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Okay, scientifically speaking an F1 hybrid is only the result of the combination of two true breeding lines. Filial generations are scientific terms, and that is what an F1 is. Just because the hobbyist cannabis community has decided to call F2s F1s to make things easier doesn't mean I will.
When I'm talking about stability here I'm not talking about likeliness to herm, or mutate, I'm talking about the amount of phenotypes and the degree of variety between them.

Secondly, here is how hybrid terminology works.
A hybrid is the result of breeding two true breeding lines, like landraces or IBLs that have been stabilized past the third or fourth generation. These plants will reliably pass on some of their traits to their genetic offspring.

A polyhybrid is the result of breeding two unstable hybrids, or polyhybrids, together. So since most of TGA's gear is the result of an unstabilized polyhybrid dad (space queen, jack the ripper, vortex, etc) and an unstabilized polyhybrid mom, that makes them a polyhybrid x polyhybrid F2. In comparison, while most of Mr. Nice's beans would be technically F2s in the same sense, they are mostly either hybrid x landrace F2s or hybrid x hybrid F2s, which are a little less genetically varied, and therefore likely to be more stable.

And I would like to add that I never had any trouble with any of TGA's gear, the freebies I got from the tude turned out great. They also have multiple strains I would run, based on the parentage. I just wouldn't be surprised if in a 10 pack I got five completely different females.

Jilly BEAN!!!!!!!! hehe got some pandoras box in flower right now!

Scientifically speaking maybe but we're talking about cannabis and there are no rules that state that an F1 has to be with 2 true breeding strains or IBLs. There are plenty of poly-hybrids that are "true breeding". If you cross 2 strains that are unrelated you get an F1, plain and simple. It doesn't matter if the parents are stable, unstable, hybrids, poly-hybrids, clone onlys, or S1s. The resulting progeny will be an F1 no matter what.

I know you're not hating on TGA nor am I defending them. Just saying..

One of my good friends who is THE biggest pot snob I have ever met, just grew out a Cheese Quake free-be, and says its his new favorite strain.

Dairy queen and CHeesequake are great alternatives to ordinary cheese.

Wow thanks for the thoughts guys! It has helped me make an informed decision on what seeds i will be purchasing in the future

Ill be sure to throw up a report when i to get around to it and grow it.