Rising Moon
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Querkle is notoriously slow to veg...
TGA Strains Stable?
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SliverMeMembers
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I don't post much, but I have to say that the negativity here is very disturbing. No reason to hate on ANYONE so much unless they killed people or raped kids. I'm not calling out anyone because they are criticizing Subcool and/or TGA for strain stability or the occasional hermie, it's the persistence and vitriol of the dialogue in general. If you have a valid complaint, make your case and move on. Same if you had a great grow. The arguing is childish and small.
Let me say this... I have bought seeds from all over the place. BC Bud Depot. A couple of Dutch companies. BreedBay. Attitude, etc. Many breeders... Subcool. DJ Short. DNA Genetics. Sagarmatha. Serious Seeds. Elite Genetics. Soma. Outlaw Genetics... and more. And I honestly haven't grown out 3/4 of them all because of my limited grow space. But in growing out over a dozen strains by 7-8 breeders or so over the last 5 years I'll say that I only have only found 3 "keepers" so far... Kali Mist, Jilly Bean and Querkle. Yes, my Nebula was good, as was my Lemon Skunk. The buds on my NYC Diesel were huge! But there's something special about these three that make we want to keep them forever (or until I find something even better!).
I found the Kali early on, it's an IBL and I also have Western Wind seeds from Sagarmatha that I have yet to grow out, they're supposed to be the original lineage or so they say. It's the very best high I've found and I love the taste. I found my Querkle 3 years ago, I have a great Urkle-dominant mother I've kept. It smells skunky and musty and purply and taste great, although it doesn't really taste like grapes to me unless you vaporize it. I found my Orange Poop pheno Jilly Bean last year, and OMG! It's the fucking bomb! By FAR my favorite plant! It has a strong skunk and orange-zest smell during flower, and keeps it during the cure. Tastes like oranges too, but the hash is WILD. Great up high, very strong. Her sister plant was Space Queen dominant, very short and slow and didn't yield a lot but it was killer bud! Zero orange smell but had a weird, industrial chemical smell which was nice, but it didn't come close to the smell and taste of the Orange Poop pheno. It was probably a little bit stronger too, more couch-lock, although I found them both to be very strong!
The only hermies I found so far were from Elite Genetics. I guess he went to jail anyways. His Chemdog threw up hermies that seeded my entire crop. I could hate on him for that, but why? I had a bad experience and I won't use his gear again. I may have some killer stuff of his that I will never get to see because I had a bad experience. Or, it could have all been crap. Either way, if you have a bad experience you can't fault someone for not wanting to buy again.
Some other notes....
Was stoked to try Flo from DJ Shorts. Ordered from Attitude, got seeds in the original breeder pack, cracked my seeds, sexed them and grew out 4 identical plants. Dried and cured as I always do, the end product had no nose, tasted like yard clippings and the famous "motivating high" was nowhere to be found. All I got was some sort of muddy middle-of-the-road high. I threw it all away. This guy is supposed to be the shit, a real breeder, right?
Also tried to grow Blueberry from DJ Short. All the plants were sickly and weak, didn't want to grow. Two females in flower hermied 4 weeks in. Plants, seeds and any desire to experiment with DJ Short now gone. No hate, just the facts.
Before Jilly but after Querkle, I tried Vortex from Subcool out. First 4 seeds I cracked were MALES! I found ONE female out of the next three I cracked. She was healthy and vigorous in veg, cloned well, and was beautiful in flower, just like the pictures. Dried and cured like I always do, she lacked any kind of nice smell and didn't taste very good either. Like tree leaves again. Worse, I didn't like the high, it was a hybrid high, neither up or down, but it kind of put me in a bad mood then an hour or two later I would crash on the couch. Yuk. Amazingly, after 6 months of not touching the stuff, I opened a jar and took a whiff. I pulled out a bud and ground it up. YES! There it was, the pink-lemonade smell! I smoked it and... nothing. No taste. Same cruddy high. So I could go on about how cruddy Sub's gear is, but you know what? It was ONE pheno! I KNOW they aren't all like that. This particular plant was missing some of the terpene profile that is probably in the "keeper" phenos, so while I know that it still doesn't make me want to grow out another Vortex run. Instead, and almost hesitantly, I am growing out 4 Apollo-13 BX plants now. They're young and in veg right now, I'll probably sex them this summer. I guess I am determined to find an Apollo dominant plant to see what's it's all about.
Will I find it? Maybe! Maybe not. Either way, I know the risk. I might even get hermies. If so, note it and go to the next thing. Not gonna cry like a bitch or swag around like I'm some fuckin' gangsta ready to pop a cap in Sub's ass. It's easy to be a punk. Be a man.
Sliv
Let me say this... I have bought seeds from all over the place. BC Bud Depot. A couple of Dutch companies. BreedBay. Attitude, etc. Many breeders... Subcool. DJ Short. DNA Genetics. Sagarmatha. Serious Seeds. Elite Genetics. Soma. Outlaw Genetics... and more. And I honestly haven't grown out 3/4 of them all because of my limited grow space. But in growing out over a dozen strains by 7-8 breeders or so over the last 5 years I'll say that I only have only found 3 "keepers" so far... Kali Mist, Jilly Bean and Querkle. Yes, my Nebula was good, as was my Lemon Skunk. The buds on my NYC Diesel were huge! But there's something special about these three that make we want to keep them forever (or until I find something even better!).
I found the Kali early on, it's an IBL and I also have Western Wind seeds from Sagarmatha that I have yet to grow out, they're supposed to be the original lineage or so they say. It's the very best high I've found and I love the taste. I found my Querkle 3 years ago, I have a great Urkle-dominant mother I've kept. It smells skunky and musty and purply and taste great, although it doesn't really taste like grapes to me unless you vaporize it. I found my Orange Poop pheno Jilly Bean last year, and OMG! It's the fucking bomb! By FAR my favorite plant! It has a strong skunk and orange-zest smell during flower, and keeps it during the cure. Tastes like oranges too, but the hash is WILD. Great up high, very strong. Her sister plant was Space Queen dominant, very short and slow and didn't yield a lot but it was killer bud! Zero orange smell but had a weird, industrial chemical smell which was nice, but it didn't come close to the smell and taste of the Orange Poop pheno. It was probably a little bit stronger too, more couch-lock, although I found them both to be very strong!
The only hermies I found so far were from Elite Genetics. I guess he went to jail anyways. His Chemdog threw up hermies that seeded my entire crop. I could hate on him for that, but why? I had a bad experience and I won't use his gear again. I may have some killer stuff of his that I will never get to see because I had a bad experience. Or, it could have all been crap. Either way, if you have a bad experience you can't fault someone for not wanting to buy again.
Some other notes....
Was stoked to try Flo from DJ Shorts. Ordered from Attitude, got seeds in the original breeder pack, cracked my seeds, sexed them and grew out 4 identical plants. Dried and cured as I always do, the end product had no nose, tasted like yard clippings and the famous "motivating high" was nowhere to be found. All I got was some sort of muddy middle-of-the-road high. I threw it all away. This guy is supposed to be the shit, a real breeder, right?
Also tried to grow Blueberry from DJ Short. All the plants were sickly and weak, didn't want to grow. Two females in flower hermied 4 weeks in. Plants, seeds and any desire to experiment with DJ Short now gone. No hate, just the facts.
Before Jilly but after Querkle, I tried Vortex from Subcool out. First 4 seeds I cracked were MALES! I found ONE female out of the next three I cracked. She was healthy and vigorous in veg, cloned well, and was beautiful in flower, just like the pictures. Dried and cured like I always do, she lacked any kind of nice smell and didn't taste very good either. Like tree leaves again. Worse, I didn't like the high, it was a hybrid high, neither up or down, but it kind of put me in a bad mood then an hour or two later I would crash on the couch. Yuk. Amazingly, after 6 months of not touching the stuff, I opened a jar and took a whiff. I pulled out a bud and ground it up. YES! There it was, the pink-lemonade smell! I smoked it and... nothing. No taste. Same cruddy high. So I could go on about how cruddy Sub's gear is, but you know what? It was ONE pheno! I KNOW they aren't all like that. This particular plant was missing some of the terpene profile that is probably in the "keeper" phenos, so while I know that it still doesn't make me want to grow out another Vortex run. Instead, and almost hesitantly, I am growing out 4 Apollo-13 BX plants now. They're young and in veg right now, I'll probably sex them this summer. I guess I am determined to find an Apollo dominant plant to see what's it's all about.
Will I find it? Maybe! Maybe not. Either way, I know the risk. I might even get hermies. If so, note it and go to the next thing. Not gonna cry like a bitch or swag around like I'm some fuckin' gangsta ready to pop a cap in Sub's ass. It's easy to be a punk. Be a man.
Sliv
Rak on Tur'
Active Member
Never understood brand loyalty/ hatred. I've grown a few tga crosses, I think JTR is one of the better 8 week strains I've had. Agent orange and pandoras box was good to. That said I found ace of spades to be about average, and wasn't impressed with kaboom.
I will still buy tga stuff, overall it's been pretty good. Jc2 is what I'm trying next. I've tried a few different breeders, serious, mr nice, chimera, dj short, and Tom hill. Can't say I have gotten a total junk strain from any of them. With f13 I had a low germ rate, but knew about that going in and bought a few packs anyways. End product was with it, to me anyways.
I will still buy tga stuff, overall it's been pretty good. Jc2 is what I'm trying next. I've tried a few different breeders, serious, mr nice, chimera, dj short, and Tom hill. Can't say I have gotten a total junk strain from any of them. With f13 I had a low germ rate, but knew about that going in and bought a few packs anyways. End product was with it, to me anyways.
DirtyDiesel
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Ok so I'm fairly new to grown been through a couple cycles and have down multiple statins of tga "qrazy train.. Jack the Ripper.. 3-d.. Space Jill" all had a different story to tell but mostly all strains had a hard time Germn and ones that did ofcourse u had a couple males.. I will say 3-d and qrazy train had a great ratio and awesome phenos.. But jack and Jill I found nanners and all that you are sayn.. I find Jtr is the hardest statin to gt down for me by far.. Hearing all this makes me really scard to go back to tga even though I've only tried one other strain "sky walker og" and all phenos were keepers and all beans germed.. I got jack goin now and my querkle didn't even come in.. So we will see.. But for future strain buying I may go Cali connection.. Or serious seeds.. In respects to sub the ladies I did keep we amazing smoke jus the price to get them keepers is hard to maintain.. Obviously the other two breeeders aren't cheap but it seems there is a more of a success rate there
Redeye Bri
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Why don't you try more by Reserva, given your success by them? I only popped one Sywalker and it's a definite keeper.
tampee
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I've had some small seeds before but they where all fully matured and looked healthy. are you saying these are premature looking or what? cause there really aint an excuse to sell someone premature seeds that's just bad quality control its not like your not getting 100's of seeds from one plant unless the guy harvested too soon which would be even worse. but I've never actually tried tga theirs just so many strains that are more interesting too me then too buy crosses I could make myself. I've also never been too disappointed with the breeders I choose too buy from that actually work their strains sure polly hybrids have their place like super silver haze but these guys are just going way too far imo. their just bottlenecking the gene pool that's why you don't see road kill skunk anymore.
tampee
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well that about sums it up.......lol
John Dieselman
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Sub is a weed geek. I watched an interview with Sub, DJ Short, Ringo and another breeder. And was almost embarrassed for Sub...he seems like he'd be cool to hang with for about an hour...tops. but, on the other side of the coin. The man has been THE key player in moving on from OG...with genetics that are just as classic as OG. Sannies is my choice. Great breeders, genetics, and friendly. I dig friendly. . . Friendly and CHEAP AS HECK. Lastly Soliloqueen I'd sooo much better than Jilly . It's simple math. Easier to grow, cheaper, bigger yield, smell, taste, affect, jar appeal. Unless you prefer less for more. Kinda like people who prefer a dive bar, cuz worse is better? I don't get it.
John Dieselman
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I couldn't agree more Tamp. I mean "POLY~HYBRID"??? So much "breeding" going on here. I'll start laughing outloud sometimes as I'm tracing the family tree of Chernobyl or any of the Jack the Ripper strains. Overkill? IDK, I will say I'm all for it because it does make the best medicine. . But I'll take that ROAD KILL any day of the week over 3 TGA strains I've tried. It's just better FOR ME. Uplifting Happy ...uh MOTIVATED! Yep. Grows like a skunk, smells like a dead skunks ass, tastes so bad it's good with just the slightest hint of fruit. It's like this ridiculous OG Kush stuff. One of my favorites, but how many OGs do we need people hahaha. And the best OGs are the classics....SFV, FIRE , LARRY, LOUIS! After that you've got some headbands that are really good and a few OF crosses. Then it just gets RIDICULOUS. Seedfinder has something like 7000 strains. That's a lot. Give me a couple packs of Mr Nice Guy's dream and enough time and numbers and I could probably recreate any strain out there today by using three-way crosses with the following...Afghan, skunk, haze, northern lights (after they hit it with thai)