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i'm very happy for yu, but i like breeders that give yu 5 males 5 females

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There is no breeder on earth that can guarentee or give you this from regular seed. This is simply impossible and I doubt anything to do with the seed line. You would need to sprout a 1000 seeds to have ANY clue of the male/female ratio in a seed line. 10 seeds, is nothing more than a random selection. No matter who you get them from.

Peace, HHF

Good to see you back HHF ,.........Peace

raiderman said:

i'm jealous if yure getting a qarter pound per plant dry in 3 gal. pots, thats excellent.above avg yield.

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yeah its well high even for me but it had like 7ish weeks veg it should be friggin bumper harvest man ill drop a pic here of the two pheno's i was talking about.

with male/female standard seeds there is no way at all of guaranteeing male female ratios. anyone who understands cannabis biology knows this. the only way to get close to 100% females is with properly made fems. if you have gotten many packs of all females with standard seeds you simply have good luck nothing more.

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"the BIG seed breeders are 5 and 5 everytime, and i been doin this for only 10 yrs, serious seeds 5 for 5 everytime, i've growed dutch passion probably 20 or 30 times and always got 5 for 5"

Statistically impossible, for all practical purposes.

Let's say that you did 20 packages of 10 seeds each = 200 seeds. If we assume 100 female and 100 male plants from the seeds, and that's a big assumption, then some brainiac please correct my math.

With an unlimited supply of 50/50 male and female plants from seeds the probability of getting 5 male and 5 female plants from 10 seeds is 15.6%. One time. Less than 2 times out of 10, about 3 of 20.

What would the probability be to get 5 females and 5 males 20 times in a row? 15.6% x 15.6% x 15.6% x .... = 0.156 to the power of 20 = 7.286 x 10-17.

raiderman you no doubt got a shitty run of seeds and if I were you and buying from Dutch Passion I'd probably never buy from them again - as they've given me 3 out of 4 hermie strains. But ...

With the female rate claims you've made it's impossible to take your complaint seriously anymore. What was your complaint, that you didn't get enough females? I only got 25% females on Kali Mist by Serious, and I bet someone else germinating the same time I did got 75%. Regression.

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You might think of addressing the issue rather than attacking what you believe to be my growing experience. Very simple distraction technique.

1 You did not get 5 female and 5 male plants from 10 packs of seeds each grow over 20 grows.

2. You got one crap, but statistically possible, batch of seeds that gave you lots of males.

I'm sorry things didn't work out for you on this 1 of 30 grows. Hopefully you will continue to get better luck with your Dutch Passion seeds than I did, seeds from that breeder made more than one of my grows miserable.

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Post #86, page 9: "i got only 4 girls of qerk "

You got 4 females out of 10 seeds?

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Did you get 4 female Querkel out of 10 seeds? Is this the low female percentage horror you are warning us of? You can check back to your post #86 if you don't remember what you told us.

Thanks.

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"yu have alot to learn ,i hear yu slam
ppl all the time bro,like no one can tell yu shit,,wen i know wat i know,with or without yure stupid approval. so nex time i'll see to i dont post around yu,thank yu.my analysis comes from long term experience and knowledge.ppl like yu is wy alot of experienced growers get tired of this patty-cake shit that ruins forums.unsub."

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I've made a practice of letting childish garbage like this go but I'm tired of you raiderman, so lets have some sport shall we.

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"yu have alot to learn "

This coming from the person who insisted, again and again, that he has the same male/female as if his breeder planted one grain of sand somewhere on earth and he randomly walked along and picked it up.

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"ppl all the time bro,like no one can tell yu shit"

I'm not your bro, guy.

If you have anything worth reading twice I'll listen, but you haven't had it in this thread.

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"wen i know wat i know,with or without yure stupid approval."

You and everyone else on the forum.

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"so nex time i'll see to i dont post around yu,"

But you did post to me after you posted this. So you make stuff up AND we can't take you at your word?

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"my analysis comes from long term experience and knowledge."

Your analysis was that you have a consistent male/female percentage that is so unbelievable that you could have won several lotteries instead if you could transfer the luck. And when proven wrong, and told wrong by HHF, you will not see common sense or simple mathematics.

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"ppl like yu is wy alot of experienced growers get tired of this patty-cake shit that ruins forums.unsub."

People like HHF.

I won't patty cake with you - you were wrong; you were shown that you were wrong by both math and someone with more experience than you; you won't admit that you are wrong and that you are just ranting.

Someone like you I could care less if you're on the forum, you don't contribute that much. 4000 posts and we end up with a clusterfuck idea that all breeders should have at least 5/5 seed packs, more females only is acceptable.

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"i dont have time to respond to anymore of yure childish expressions and senseless attacks."

And that vicious attack was to type in a few statistics. Beware terrorists.

Don't respond to me. Be a person of your word. I in turn will not again respond to any of your posts, unless they are as absolutely moronic as your's have been in the later part of this thread.

Do not confuse time with experience, or results with correctness.

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I've never in my life heard of someone getting EXACTLY 5 seeds of each gender out of every pack of seeds for years. It's not only highly unlikey, It's damn near impossible. Someone is either lying or...well i can't think of anything else.

How is it that they sort these identical M/F seeds so the ratios come out exact every time? I'd really like to know. Especially since a pro breeder (HHF) just said it's not possible.

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"so nex time i'll see to i dont post around yu,"

"i dont have time to respond to anymore of yure childish expressions and senseless attacks."

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Have you ever felt owned raiderman? It feels like you do now: unable to admit that you were embellishing; unable to apologize for being rude to cover up your white lies; unable to keep from posting to me. Owned by your own slip of character.

Apologize to me and the forum and I'll let the mater drop.

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"How is it that they sort these identical M/F seeds so the ratios come out exact every time? I'd really like to know. Especially since a pro breeder (HHF) just said it's not possible."

I stick with: although statistically possible it is a practical impossibility. That being said this is a wacky chart - can you see seed breeders going through their beans, seperating the males and females, then matching them up 5 and 5.

My question would be - why not just chuck the males?

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now thats a very interesting post there hobbes where did this come from? im surprised i havent heard of it. but then again im not really into breeding.

im off to check my seeds in the fridge!

My female ratio was different with each strain.My SB and chernobyl had 8 out of 10 females,SQ and JTR had about the same amount of both sexes

raiderman said:

yea, i try to keep my stuff no more than 3 ft if possible in my closet light under 1 600 multi 2 sqare gallon containers, and 3 to 5 ft under 1000 in the garage in a home built customized tent las year and thier in 3.5 gal. buckets and a spare bedroom and one 600 height not a prob.in multi 2 gallon sqare containers and a 250 MH/hps for moms.

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the two phenos are well different

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"now thats a very interesting post there hobbes where did this come from? im surprised i havent heard of it. but then again im not really into breeding."

Don someone else posted it here a while back, I always thought it was kind of wacky. Not something I'd go by, I doubt it's much better than random selection.

What strain is in your pictures? Were they grown the same method - topped? What are the major differences you notice - is one naturally bushier? The color looks different, or is that the light? Any difference in smell or bud density/structure?

Thanks.

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its a fact calvin never taught yu shit , and to call me a liar jus shows how immature yu are and not every one has to lye to gain an audience,i do not like yu and yu have much to learn.

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lol. You're losing it raiderman.

"yu have much to learn."

This coming from the person who insisted, again and again, that he has the same male/female as if his breeder planted one grain of sand somewhere on earth and he randomly walked along and picked it up. (I just copied and pasted this from the last time you compared our wisdom)

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"so nex time i'll see to i dont post around yu," ... "so nex time i'll see to i dont post around yu," ...

And yet you are still here.

They've deleted all of your posts, destroyed the evidence. This would be a good time for you to move on and be able to save what little face you have left.

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Guy's lets keep it cool. Raiderman, I wasn't picking at ya bro. Was simply stating facts friend.

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hat being said this is a wacky chart - can you see seed breeders going through their beans, seperating the males and females, then matching them up 5 and 5

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Yeh, hmm, i have tried to apply this friend way back as i wanted to grow as many males as possible. It really, imho, does not work. Seed types, shapes vary so much it would be practically impossible to make work.

Seeds are also, highly phenotypic, effected by environment greatly, so its just not that useful. Landraces, Heirlooms etc also contain many seed types in the same batches.

Very tricky to apply and could not get it to work for me. I really search for males, from natural seed lots and it would be very useful for me so i did try with these methods, several times..

Peace, HHF

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HHF selecting males is something that I've been wondering about. Females it seems simple - yield, potency, flowering time, taste, smell, etc. But what does the male give and how do you know it'll give it? I read a post recently, it might have been yours, where the person said that ... rapid growth? ... size? ... in a male wasn't important or desired. I'm sketchy on it.

How do you select your male from a selection? How do you know what traits will be passed to offspring? Is it often trial and error?

I'm not into breeding but it may be time to pick up a copy of Dank.

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"actually dick sucker i did it because it show talkin to brik walls,,don't worry hoobes , DONT COME TO ME ASKING SHIT FROM ME LIKE YU HAVE MANY TIMES.I NEVER HAVE ASKED YU FOR FOR SHIT NIMROD.AND YUR A REAL JERKOFF .LITTLE SMART MOUTH BITCH>yu must be from canada.unsub."

So YOU (riaderman) deleted your own posts - to delete your ridiculous claims or to keep from showing how you've lost it.

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"i did it because it show talkin to brik walls"

It must burn you that I copied and pasted your nonsense in my posts, so people can still see how foolish you are. And now how pitiful. Erasing your own posts?

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Now back to your amazing female percentage over 20 or 30 grows - 5 females and 5 males every single grow. Wow.

Do you know how incredibly lucky you've been? Something like 7.68 x 10-21 power of 1% chance of that happening.

How can we conceptualize raiderman's incredible results, which must stem from his extensive experience. This experience we hear about all so often, but seems contrary to everything else raiderman writes.

Imagine if you will, raiderman, that you have one seed that may be male or female. Now experience magic turns that seed into a grain of sand. Your breeder plants that grain of sand somewhere, anywhere on earth, and by random chance you pick up that grain of sand and have a 50/50 chance of getting a male or female sand plant.

One grain of sand of all the grains of sand on the earth, and raiderman has the experience to get it.

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Now raiderman you can do one of three things:

raiderman's options:

1. Stop posting about this and hope that bad things happen to Hobbes, even though you won't want to be involved and cause #3. A new screen name or account perhaps? You could post anonymously.

The good thing for you, about this option, is that when you stop posting to me you cease to exist.

2. Be a person of character and admit that you embellished your claims of female results and made an issue over nothing - about getting only 4 of 10 females. And admit that if you did actually do 30 seed packages that you did get others with less than 5 females. Then apologize to both me and the forum. Most importantly me.

3. Continue with this foolishness and I will hunt you from now until the end of time. From screen name to screen name, from IP address to IP address.

This is sometimes fun for me, you have been an idiot and a jackass and making a fool of you is good sport. If the forum administrators will allow you to make assumptions not only about my sexual persuasion but my sexual preferences I'm sure they won't mind me searching every single post you make and conversing with you until I either drive you insane or from the forum.

I posted statistics to show that your claims are vastly improbable, then said that I didn't think your complaint held water. 4/10 females. And you went down a slippery slope of profanity and personal attacks.

I'll let you make the call, but I'm for becoming the closest of friends every time you post.

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