Thanks Obama, seriously.

BigNBushy said:

It has become blatantly clear to me that most of you who are arguing with me has never owned or ran a business.

If you had, you'd know that the most expensive part is the people. They are so expensive beyond what you pay them, and a lot of that excess cost is based on their wage.

All too often employees aren't worth what they're paid now.

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They should all be so grateful to you, and work for free huh, you give them something to do during the day right, they should be paying you.
Have YOU ever ran a fucking business, how about owned anything? How about held a real job? You're riding on daddies coattails and trying to make yourself seem successful, daddy giving you a job after rehab isn't pulling yourself up. You shouldn't have to pay your employees a shit wage just to be a successful business owner. How bout you take a look at Cotscos business model? They seem to really have a hold on the market share, and how do they do that? They pay their employees a great wage plus benefits to bag some groceries, and only mark up 15%. Pretty out of the norm when you consider the standard business model for others, pay your employees as little as you can and mark up as much as you can.Your dad is shitty business man, and he's taking you down with him. I bet your dad's employee's hate you. I would have loved to have you as a cubby and spew this bullshit out in the field.

Harrekin said:

Cry me a fucking river, you fucking lefty.

People CHOOSE to work at Walmart, they're not herded into cattle cars after their forth birthday and sold into slavery there.

I think their employer should pay whatever the contract states and the employee should take it or go somewhere else.

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What's a "forth"
what contract? you mean standard min. wages? that contract? If the employer doesn't like it why don't they leave?

BigNBushy said:

Thanks.

I'm guessing you've never really done anything but work for some big company and feel like you're irreplaceable.

Most union workers I know feel that they are the vital cog in the wheel of production.

The truth is the worker is the easiest to replace component of an assembly line.

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Do you really think a union Journeyman is easily replaceable? A big corporation? . Do you realize that there is four years of apprenticeship and training? How much do you think that all costs, a pretty big investment to just kick out the door, you like throwing away money like that? You can't build America with dopes off the street retard, that's why you and your dad will always be a small business owner, you don't know how to put a value your employees and grow. Why is there so many successful union contractors and so many unsuccessful scab contractors? I mean the labor is cheaper, why can't they stay afloat? Why do Unions hold so much of the commercial building market in Portland if the scabs have cheaper labor and can run a business better?

Hazydat620 said:

They should all be so grateful to you, and work for free huh, you give them something to do during the day right, they should be paying you.
Have YOU ever ran a fucking business, how about owned anything? How about held a real job? You're riding on daddies coattails and trying to make yourself seem successful, daddy giving you a job after rehab isn't pulling yourself up. You shouldn't have to pay your employees a shit wage just to be a successful business owner. How bout you take a look at Cotscos business model? They seem to really have a hold on the market share, and how do they do that? They pay their employees a great wage plus benefits to bag some groceries, and only mark up 15%. Pretty out of the norm when you consider the standard business model for others, pay your employees as little as you can and mark up as much as you can.Your dad is shitty business man, and he's taking you down with him. I bet your dad's employee's hate you. I would have loved to have you as a cubby and spew this bullshit out in the field.

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Yeah let's look at that Costco model. Are you aware that they sub out many essential duties to other companies that pay walmart like wages?

We treat our employees great. We have high skill guys that are actually 1099, so they're not actually employees per se.

They get a Christmas bonus at the end of each year. Everyone gets the same regardless because the nature of that bonus is personal value.

I reset you, the president or anyone else telling me that if I need to hire someone to sweep the shop out back it's gotta be for 10 bucks an hour when if you want to pay 8 for that you'll get 20 applications in a weeks time. Pushing a broom isn't worth 8 bucks an hour, much less 10.

Why are you so concerned with what i pay some pimple faced kid to sweep my back shop?

Now, my dad's company is no longer open.

I'm doing something related. And we take damn good care of our people here too. No one makes under 10 bucks an hour, hell the lowest paid is 14.

but they're worth it. The job is worth it. Fast food work is not worth it. Anybody can cook fries. Not everyone knows how to properly wire security systems for homes and businesses. It's more complicated.

BigNBushy said:

Yeah let's look at that Costco model. Are you aware that they sub out many essential duties to other companies that pay walmart like wages?

We treat our employees great. We have high skill guys that are actually 1099, so they're not actually employees per se.

They get a Christmas bonus at the end of each year. Everyone gets the same regardless because the nature of that bonus is personal value.

I reset you, the president or anyone else telling me that if I need to hire someone to sweep the shop out back it's gotta be for 10 bucks an hour when if you want to pay 8 for that you'll get 20 applications in a weeks time. Pushing a broom isn't worth 8 bucks an hour, much less 10.

Why are you so concerned with what i pay some pimple faced kid to sweep my back shop?

Now, my dad's company is no longer open.

I'm doing something related. And we take damn good care of our people here too. No one makes under 10 bucks an hour, hell the lowest paid is 14.

but they're worth it. The job is worth it. Fast food work is not worth it. Anybody can cook fries. Not everyone knows how to properly wire security systems for homes and businesses. It's more complicated.

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Really? you would pay someone to sweep the back lot? See that's problem with your rationale, your a lazy fuck who would rather pay someone to sweep the back lot instead of picking up the broom and sweeping it up yourself. It's no surprise to me that your dad doesn't have his business anymore, he was a shitty business man with a shitty lazy son. 1099's huh, they aren't employees numb nuts, they are self employed and you have contracted them out, still so much to learn, your dad probably shut the business down early cause he couldn't stand to hand it over to you and you run it into the ground.

Hazydat620 said:

Do you really think a union Journeyman is easily replaceable? A big corporation? . Do you realize that there is four years of apprenticeship and training? How much do you think that all costs, a pretty big investment to just kick out the door, you like throwing away money like that? You can't build America with dopes off the street retard, that's why you and your dad will always be a small business owner, you don't know how to put a value your employees and grow. Why is there so many successful union contractors and so many unsuccessful scab contractors? I mean the labor is cheaper, why can't they stay afloat? Why do Unions hold so much of the commercial building market in Portland if the scabs have cheaper labor and can run a business better?

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There are plenty of union journeyman out of work.

They dominate because of politics. Portland, sounds like a democratic strong hold. I'm sure state and local governments have no hand in dictating who gets what work, or rather, who could do what work.

Are the steel workers in Atlanta or Houston and Dallas as heavily union? Are the buildings in these cities less structurally sound?

Nope.

Unions play dirty. And if you could prove a lot of what they do in court, many would be in jail.

I know some very pro union people. I have an uncle who was a union millwright and his son was just as hard core. He went to work in several non union factories and always got fired for talking up the union.

He started his own business and it failed because he could t keep help. Didn't want to pay anyone a penny, and worked their dick in the dirt.

So much for union workers rights.

A lot of what the unions used to do I support. Training and all that.

But they've over reached.

Do you feel secure in the future of your union position?

Knowing that down south there are construction companies that aren't union doing the same things as good as you for less money.

No one wants to go around firing people. But unions make it too difficult to fire people who need fired. Jobs don't exist to support your family. Jobs exist to make money for whoever is giving you that job.

That being said, one should only be fired for damn good reasons.

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Really? you would pay someone to sweep the back lot? See that's problem with your rationale, your a lazy fuck who would rather pay someone to sweep the back lot instead of picking up the broom and sweeping it up yourself. It's no surprise to me that your dad doesn't have his business anymore, he was a shitty business man with a shitty lazy son. 1099's huh, they aren't employees numb nuts, they are self employed and you have contracted them out, still so much to learn, your dad probably shut the business down early cause he couldn't stand to hand it over to you and you run it into the ground.

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I would like you to read where I said that 1099 people were not actual employees, in the post you quoted here saying I was an idiot for thinking of 1099 people as employees.

You're just as dumb as I would expect for a union fan.

By the way, my dad operated a business for over 30 years. Considering the vast majority of business owners go out of business within 10 years.... compounded by the fact that my dad's business was in the tech industry, a rapidly changing field over the last 20 years, I don't think shitty business man is an apt description.

Also, my dad's business partner passed away. There were some stipulations about that in the partnership agreement.

greenlikemoney said:

While not agreeing with the poster, it is fucking hilarious to hear you tell someone to "pull up their bootstraps" when you couldn't support yourself if you tried. Now that's funny right there !!!!

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I thought buck made his living by growing money on trees. A lot of us grow pot dude.

Pretty sure . . . You need to take better pot shots at him you are losing your edge.

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Really? you would pay someone to sweep the back lot? See that's problem with your rationale, your a lazy fuck who would rather pay someone to sweep the back lot instead of picking up the broom and sweeping it up yourself. It's no surprise to me that your dad doesn't have his business anymore, he was a shitty business man with a shitty lazy son. 1099's huh, they aren't employees numb nuts, they are self employed and you have contracted them out, still so much to learn, your dad probably shut the business down early cause he couldn't stand to hand it over to you and you run it into the ground.

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Nah bitch, this post was about the Costco model. How do you feel about them subbing out many of their vital functions to more walmart level employees?

And the back lot sweeper was a hypothetical. I never said I had one, I said what if I wanted to hire one.

Speaking of lazy fucks who refuse to push a broom. I had one job in a union facility. I took a summer job in a factory. They made water heaters and were in a steel workers union.

One time the peanut insulation thing ripped open and got Styrofoam peanuts all over the line. The line had to be shut down. There was a broom near by. But it was one persons job to deal with that.

The line stayed closed for 45 minutes while the one person cleaned up the mess. Everyone else stood around and watched.

Yay union.

They didn't much like me.

On break one day there was a spontaneous union pep rally, "they couldn't build these water heaters without us."

I replied, I'm not so sure, I've been here two weeks and I can already do most every job on the line. I think they could train a new batch pretty quick.

"Shut up scab!"


In the world of labor, unions are like the yellow pages and pay phone booths.

BigNBushy said:

There are plenty of union journeyman out of work.

They dominate because of politics. Portland, sounds like a democratic strong hold. I'm sure state and local governments have no hand in dictating who gets what work, or rather, who could do what work.

Are the steel workers in Atlanta or Houston and Dallas as heavily union? Are the buildings in these cities less structurally sound?

Nope.

Unions play dirty. And if you could prove a lot of what they do in court, many would be in jail.

I know some very pro union people. I have an uncle who was a union millwright and his son was just as hard core. He went to work in several non union factories and always got fired for talking up the union.

He started his own business and it failed because he could t keep help. Didn't want to pay anyone a penny, and worked their dick in the dirt.

So much for union workers rights.

A lot of what the unions used to do I support. Training and all that.

But they've over reached.

Do you feel secure in the future of your union position?

Knowing that down south there are construction companies that aren't union doing the same things as good as you for less money.

No one wants to go around firing people. But unions make it too difficult to fire people who need fired. Jobs don't exist to support your family. Jobs exist to make money for whoever is giving you that job.

That being said, one should only be fired for damn good reasons.

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You're so Chachi, you're right the city has no factor on who gets what jobs, you really have no idea how the trades and construction industry works do you?
I don't work union anymore, I was tired of the company, not the union, trying to hustle me out of my money, and quit the trades all together. What was your Uncle doing working scab as a union member? Sounds like your uncle was a lazy piece of shit to have to go find work out of the union? See instead of firing someone, the company just lays them off forever if they are lazy, let another company deal with him, guess what happens when he burns up all his bridges cause he's lazy, no one to work for so you go back scab. So much for union workers rights? I don't get that statement, your uncle lost his company pretty much cause they said fuck you to your wage, and working conditions? Sounds like they have the power to fail a company? Job's don't exist to to support my family, just yours??? Then why the fuck should I work? and you wonder why people would rather sit at home and collect assistance from the Govt. instead of working for POS like you who don't appreciate it.

BigNBushy said:

Nah bitch, this post was about the Costco model. How do you feel about them subbing out many of their vital functions to more walmart level employees?

And the back lot sweeper was a hypothetical. I never said I had one, I said what if I wanted to hire one.

Speaking of lazy fucks who refuse to push a broom. I had one job in a union facility. I took a summer job in a factory. They made water heaters and were in a steel workers union.

One time the peanut insulation thing ripped open and got Styrofoam peanuts all over the line. The line had to be shut down. There was a broom near by. But it was one persons job to deal with that.

The line stayed closed for 45 minutes while the one person cleaned up the mess. Everyone else stood around and watched.

Yay union.

They didn't much like me.

On break one day there was a spontaneous union pep rally, "they couldn't build these water heaters without us."

I replied, I'm not so sure, I've been here two weeks and I can already do most every job on the line. I think they could train a new batch pretty quick.

"Shut up scab!"


In the world of labor, unions are like the yellow pages and pay phone booths.

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Sounds like you liked to talk instead of work, Why did it take you 45 min to sweep up a mess.

AlecTheGardener said:

I thought buck made his living by growing money on trees. A lot of us grow pot dude.

Pretty sure . . . You need to take better pot shots at him you are losing your edge.

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Buttplug moves to much to grow anything. It's all in his head.

Hazydat620 said:

You're so Chachi, you're right the city has no factor on who gets what jobs, you really have no idea how the trades and construction industry works do you?
I don't work union anymore, I was tired of the company, not the union, trying to hustle me out of my money, and quit the trades all together. What was your Uncle doing working scab as a union member? Sounds like your uncle was a lazy piece of shit to have to go find work out of the union? See instead of firing someone, the company just lays them off forever if they are lazy, let another company deal with him, guess what happens when he burns up all his bridges cause he's lazy, no one to work for so you go back scab. So much for union workers rights? I don't get that statement, your uncle lost his company pretty much cause they said fuck you to your wage, and working conditions? Sounds like they have the power to fail a company? Job's don't exist to to support my family, just yours??? Then why the fuck should I work? and you wonder why people would rather sit at home and collect assistance from the Govt. instead of working for POS like you who don't appreciate it.

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Do you have a fucking reading disorder?

Uncle was the millwright. His son was the factory worker always talking union. His daddy's union propaganda cost him jobs at two of the best places to work around here.

You're so fucking brain washed that you don't appear to think that a good job can exist outside of a union.

Hazydat620 said:

Sounds like you liked to talk instead of work, Why did it take you 45 min to sweep up a mess.

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I was putting rubber gaskets in female water pipe socket. I'm sure it has a technical name, but I forgot.

I wasn't the broom man.

Seriously, no one from the line was allowed to clean the peanuts. Someone from maintenance came over, fixed the problem and cleaned the mess.

Several days over the summer power went out. We all were sent home early and got a full days pay.

BigNBushy said:

Yeah let's look at that Costco model. Are you aware that they sub out many essential duties to other companies that pay walmart like wages?

We treat our employees great. We have high skill guys that are actually 1099, so they're not actually employees per se.

They get a Christmas bonus at the end of each year. Everyone gets the same regardless because the nature of that bonus is personal value.

I reset you, the president or anyone else telling me that if I need to hire someone to sweep the shop out back it's gotta be for 10 bucks an hour when if you want to pay 8 for that you'll get 20 applications in a weeks time. Pushing a broom isn't worth 8 bucks an hour, much less 10.

Why are you so concerned with what i pay some pimple faced kid to sweep my back shop?

Now, my dad's company is no longer open.

I'm doing something related. And we take damn good care of our people here too. No one makes under 10 bucks an hour, hell the lowest paid is 14.

but they're worth it. The job is worth it. Fast food work is not worth it. Anybody can cook fries. Not everyone knows how to properly wire security systems for homes and businesses. It's more complicated.

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sounds like most of the employees are cold calling out of the yellow pages to prop up the pyramid scheme. it's a good thing idiots like you exist to sink your parents money into this scam of an enterprise.

i bet you go on a relapse once the whole scheme falls under.

AlecTheGardener said:

I thought buck made his living by growing money on trees. A lot of us grow pot dude.

Pretty sure . . . You need to take better pot shots at him you are losing your edge.

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geenlikedummy is a dumb racist old shit whose just bitter about his saggy, wrinkly wife and the dying out of racist old shits like himself.

BigNBushy said:

They didn't much like me.

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not many people do like gay racist thieving heroin junkies whose parents have to constantly bail them out, even after they steal from their own parents.

greenlikemoney said:

Buttplug moves to much to grow anything. It's all in his head.

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funny how your anger bypasses something in your brain and you go straight to the anal sex aspect.

Weak reply.

greenlikemoney said:

Weak reply.

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refer to anal sex when thinking about me again. it's what you do best.

an evaluation from you is worthless, as the opinions of worthless people are indeed worthless.