THC downer and CBD/CBN upper??

ziv2002

Well-Known Member
I just talked to some guy and he says that there is no
CBD and CBN in water-hash becouse the top of
the trichomes are only thc and the other cannabinoids
are on the bud.
he also said the the THC is the narcotic effect and the
CBD abd CBN are uplifting effect - that is completely different
from what i learned so far!

is that true? can you give me a link that talks about
this subject?

thanks...
 

yesum

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He sounds very high is all I can say. That is opposite of everything I know, or thought I knew.
 

tomato57

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CBD was recently proposed not to bind to any of the CB receptors (not CB1 nor CB2). It interferes with the psychoactive effects of THC (CBD has anti-psychotic properties) not by being a direct antagonist (occupying the receptor site without eliciting a physiological response). The proposed mechanism is indirect inhibition of the effects of THC by interfering with adenosine pathway (adenosine receptor ligands are involved in anxiety). CBN as stated above is a degradation product of THC with about 10% of original potency, it has been proposed to induce drowsiness/sleepiness.
 

cannofbliss

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Holy shit, am I the only one that is totally baked while looking at this chart?? I might as well be trying to understand Klingons.bongsmilie

hahaha............. Maltz.... joooo heee juuuuu... that means maltz beam me up LOL i about fukin pissed myself when i read your post hahaha
 

tomato57

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Yeah the chart might seem a bit overwhelming at the first glance, but its not that difficult to comprehend once you realize the roles of the receptors and ions involved in the activity of various receptor ligands. So let me break it down for you to as how I see and understand it:

Ca2+ ions are initiators of neural transmissions, Calcium ion influx is generally the first step behind the liberation of neurotransmitters (such as Serotonin, Nor-Adrenaline, Glutamate and many more) from their center of residence (synaptic vesicle in the presynaptic neurone) into the synaptic cleft where they bind to the receptor sites of the post-synaptic neuron which then elicits a corresponding physiological response. Therefore the decrease in Ca2+ (as CBD does according to the chart) will result in less transmission, which can alleviate possible excitotoxicity (too much transmission at excitatory synapses can have neurotoxic effects: e.g excess release of glutamate in depressed patients) thus will serve a neuro-protective role in this case.

5HT1A (+) indicates that CBD is an agonist at the serotonin receptor labeled as 5HT1A. The same action exhibits buspirone, which is an anxiolytic and anti-depressant. (-) Would indicate an antagonist.

FAAH (arrow down) indicates that CBD has suppressing effects on the Fatty Acid Amide Hydrolase, which breaks down endogenous (naturally occurring in our bodies) anandamide, a compound having affinity for the cannabinoid receptors. Therefore CBD allows for less anandamide to be broken down thus more is available for binding to the corresponding receptors (CB1). From this we can see that CBD does indeed activate the CB receptors, but not by directly binding to them as it has no affinity for these receptor sites.

TRPV1 (+) means that CBD acts as an agonist on that receptor. This particular receptor is involved in pain perception, body temperature and inflammation (agonists affect these aspects positively meaning that pain threshold rises, temperature drops and inflammation is attenuated). Hot foods comprised of chilli (contains capsaicin) also elicit activation of this receptor, that is why spicy foods may have pain-relieving properties.

Adenosine Uptake (arrow down) means that that the uptake of the adenosine receptor ligand into the post-synaptic neuron is inhibited allowing the transmitter to remain in the synaptic cleft for a longer time (where it gets to activate the adenosine receptors). Adenosine receptor is thought to be implicated in anxiety, agonists having an anxiolytic effect. It is also involved in inflammation as the chart indicates.

T-cells (arrow down) indicates the decrease in the activity of this particular type of lymphocytes resulting in immuno-suppressive effects which may be beneficial to people suffering from auto-immune diseases such as cancer.

GABA (arrow down) next to THCV indicates the down-regulating effect on GABA transmitter (main inhibitory neurotransmitter). I am still working on making sense out of this particular example because logically I would expect increase in GABA transmission to induce anti-epileptic effects (as benzodiazepines do). However receptors work in a much more intricate way than is commonly thought so I would guess the proposed mechanism involves decreased binding at the GABA autoreceptors which would increase the release of GABA into the synaptic cleft thus facilitating anti-epileptic properties.

The CB1 (-): antagonistic effect of THCV on this cannabinoid receptor has anorectic properties. I would say this is simply because agonists induce hunger so antagonists will eliminate this response.

If you see any mistakes please correct me and feel free to make any additions as I would like to avoid making erroneous assumptions and generally am interested in the exact mechanisms of action behind the various cannabinoids. I will look deeper into the concepts of which I am not so sure about and edit/update this post accordingly.
 

suTraGrow

Well-Known Member
I just talked to some guy and he says that there is no
CBD and CBN in water-hash becouse the top of
the trichomes are only thc and the other cannabinoids
are on the bud.
he also said the the THC is the narcotic effect and the
CBD abd CBN are uplifting effect - that is completely different
from what i learned so far!

is that true? can you give me a link that talks about
this subject?

thanks...
lol i hope your "friend" is not a bud tender of any kind. Completely ass backwards. Cannabinoids is degraded thc. Same resin head 2 different chemicals kinda.
 

AltarNation

Well-Known Member
LoL Tomato, yeah, that clears it right up man. ;) LoL... seriously that was easily as confusing as the chart, maybe moreso. ;)
 

cannofbliss

Well-Known Member
tomato57 said:
Yeah the chart might seem a bit overwhelming at the first glance, but its not that difficult to comprehend once you realize the roles of the receptors and ions involved in the activity of various receptor ligands. So let me break it down for you to as how I see and understand it:

Ca2+ ions are initiators of neural transmissions, Calcium ion influx is generally the first step behind the liberation of neurotransmitters (such as Serotonin, Nor-Adrenaline, Glutamate and many more) from their center of residence (synaptic vesicle in the presynaptic neurone) into the synaptic cleft where they bind to the receptor sites of the post-synaptic neuron which then elicits a corresponding physiological response. Therefore the decrease in Ca2+ (as CBD does according to the chart) will result in less transmission, which can alleviate possible excitotoxicity (too much transmission at excitatory synapses can have neurotoxic effects: e.g excess release of glutamate in depressed patients) thus will serve a neuro-protective role in this case.

5HT1A (+) indicates that CBD is an agonist at the serotonin receptor labeled as 5HT1A. The same action exhibits buspirone, which is an anxiolytic and anti-depressant. (-) Would indicate an antagonist............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

etc... etc... et cetera...


Hey TOMATO 57 please dont take offense to this .... although your posts were very informative and quite unfortunately for most way overly verbose...

i believe the simplest questions were asked... and that was to what effect does each of the three well known main compounds... THC and CBN or CBD will have upon the central nervous system as in...

A.) depressant/narcotic effect... or ... B.) a stimulant... C.) hallucinogenic

or in the most simplistic terms... downer... upper... or tripper ;)
 

tomato57

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No offense taken, I have to admit that I am not that great at explaining things :D

So simply put:

THC - hallucinogenic/pain-relieving/anti-depressive - usually stimulating

CBD - does not necessarily have to be sedating, can actually produce slight stimulation but not in an edgy way. This quote explains is the best: "It has displayed sedative effects in animal tests.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol#cite_note-pmid6269680-2 Some research, however, indicates that CBD can increase alertness."

CBN - couch lock effect, CBN is what starts collecting during late harvest and during improper handling/storing of cannabis (exposure to UV, heat and oxygen). This happens at the loss of THC from which it is derived.

However it is important to remember that interactions of various cannabinoids can result in slightly different effects thus only a general guideline can be provided.
 
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