The 12-12 From Seed Thread

[Dr.Amber Trichome]

your going to do great aesan. thanks for the comps on my setup. your avitar is sooooooo bizaro.. i think i know the little guy in the front .. isnt he some kind of rude pervert and it looks like the girls are those can can dancers from the Moulion Rouge in Paris..... i like that it moves. i wish my chucky avi moved and licked his knife or something

 

[aesan]

LOL his name is stewie and he's an evil genius off a popular tv show here in the US. I'll try to find you a moving Chuckie avatar.

 

[RobbieP]

Hi Amber, hows you ?
i didnt send that exodus cheese seed yet ... it seems you have a few now lol , mines the Greenhouse seeds version though but not sure if thats what you have ? i can still get it too you if you want it ?
after reading up on it , its meant to be more like the budda cheese not the exodus clone cheese , the one i was growing was nothing but problems so i gave it away lol ...
Hows this for a moving chucky avator

EDIT : thats rubbish it moved on the preview ! click the pic to see it move

 

[l8arrival]

i dont know if any of you could advise me but i have 4 seedlings growing strong and healthy and another 4 looking like its has a nitrogen deficiency (yellowing of stem, stunted growth)

I have only recently started using grow a (i know, i knw, i shouldve been using a & b) with b, whereas before (for 10 days) i was only used grow b by itself. Now this is the weird part, if 4 of them have a n deficiency why do the others dont? They have all been treated the exact way, getting the exact same 12/12 light as the others, fed the same etc, but its only 4 of them with it.

Any feedback would be appreciated.

Edit:
Actuaaly through more research, their are indications it may be over feeding.

A quick run down of how they look: Yellowing at end of leaves, one seedling leaves are sorta curling upwards, another ones leave is beginning to turn a bit crispy like its dead, and stunted growth I feed like every 2 days although sometimes the rockwool is still wet. I just dont understand why 4 are good and another 4 are stunted?!!!

 

[del66666]

are they all the same strain mate?...........

 

[Dr.Amber Trichome]

hi delski..mooooo moooooo mooooooo lolololol

aesan.. and Robbie, thanks for the moving chuck pix.. i am sooo looking forward to seeing them move when i get home to my computer that allows movable avitars.. you guys are great!

Robbie, thanks for the offer on those Xcheese beans but if they suck , na dont want them.. my XC seeds are from a backcross with a long history but linked to the xodus clone. so not in any way a green house variety. Im hoping one of the has some purps in it!
got anything else good you could send me way though mate... seems the sick in my area is in desarate need of the purps.. later Robbie mate.

 

[RobbieP]

hi delski..mooooo moooooo mooooooo lolololol

aesan.. and Robbie, thanks for the moving chuck pix.. i am sooo looking forward to seeing them move when i get home to my computer that allows movable avitars.. you guys are great!

Robbie, thanks for the offer on those Xcheese beans but if they suck , na dont want them.. my XC seeds are from a backcross with a long history but linked to the xodus clone. so not in any way a green house variety. Im hoping one of the has some purps in it!
got anything else good you could send me way though mate... seems the sick in my area is in desarate need of the purps.. later Robbie mate.

I have the exodus cheese clone so i dunno much about the other cheeses ...
i might have some nice purple bits comin in soon so once iv grown them out and made some extra seeds ill get some over to you but wont be for a while yet

 

[Dr.Amber Trichome]

i will patiently wait for the elite strain...thanks for being so cheesy Robbie..... spread the cheese

 

[abrownmn]

among what was mentioned already by broken turtle , yep less energy , but also in the space you can fit 1 large qp plant i can fit 5-10 12/12 from seed girls depending on how i do it and what strain they are.

Okay, so what your explaining is a SOG type set up from 12-12...but on a plant per plant basis i just dont see any REAL advantages of running from 12-12. 10 oz's from 11 plants in 75 days vs 20+oz's from 10 plants in 90 days? Twice the product for wan extra two weeks and electricity etc etc....besides space issues i guess im still not convinced at all. If someone could post any convincing figures that would make it easier...

 

[brokenturtle3102]

Abrownn, if you have the room to veg, just have both veg and flowering room filled with some plants. My flowering consists of 13 females all from seed to 12/12. My veg room consists of 5 plants with the same amount of veg as the flowering room time. It's just how I started so I can have both a harvest and large vegging plants soon.

 

[abrownmn]

Abrownn, if you have the room to veg, just have both veg and flowering room filled with some plants. My flowering consists of 13 females all from seed to 12/12. My veg room consists of 5 plants with the same amount of veg as the flowering room time. It's just how I started so I can have both a harvest and large vegging plants soon.

I suppose its a good way to start a cycle if you have no flowering plants yet...but honestly i'm just looking for reasons why people do this. I'm really just interested in learning..i threw a few seeds in 12/12 under a 400 to test it out

 

[jimmygreenfingers]

Okay, so what your explaining is a SOG type set up from 12-12...but on a plant per plant basis i just dont see any REAL advantages of running from 12-12. 10 oz's from 11 plants in 75 days vs 20+oz's from 10 plants in 90 days? Twice the product for wan extra two weeks and electricity etc etc....besides space issues i guess im still not convinced at all. If someone could post any convincing figures that would make it easier...

Who says you only get 10 oz from 11 plants 12/12 from seed? With a 600w you should pull more than that. With 10 plants which have been vegged for 4 weeks then flipped is gonna require a bigger grow space. 12/12 from seed can match yeild from vegged plants in the same size grow area, if your not convinced then go back to the begining of the thread and have a good read.

 

[brokenturtle3102]

if your not convinced then go back to the begining of the thread and have a good read.

Better yet, pop in a seed now that's germinated, and flower it. Maybe then you might see a considerable difference.

 

[jimmygreenfingers]

11 plants 12/12 from seed under one 600w, could have fitted a few more under as well. More than 10 oz here.

 

[abrownmn]

Who says you only get 10 oz from 11 plants 12/12 from seed? With a 600w you should pull more than that. With 10 plants which have been vegged for 4 weeks then flipped is gonna require a bigger grow space. 12/12 from seed can match yeild from vegged plants in the same size grow area, if your not convinced then go back to the begining of the thread and have a good read.

Lol...try taking your own advice...the info about 10 ozs was given by the person i quoted originally on the subject. So the answer was directed towards him/her.

I've read the thread through quite a bit and i'm still not convinced about anything besides it MAY BE a decent alternative for someone with space issues and that its slightly quicker than vegging.

You keep saying that growers from 12-12 match yields from those who veg and i'd like to see two close grows by reputable growers from veg and 12-12. You should know of one, you had to get your information from somewhere..so convince me. By the way, using the phrase "in the same size grow area" really changes things here...and as you said IMMEDIATELY prior to saying that, vegged plants take MORE space but produce MORE product. So, if you look at it from a strictly objective standpoint. If you have the space to veg the plants there is virtually NO reason to start your seed from 12-12 unless you can prove that it saves enough money and time in relation to vegging to actually make any type of difference.

Also, I'm asking for "REAL ADVANTAGES" besides space, and the minor cost of electricity etc..you've given me absolutely nothing besides that and heresay.

Im thinking, if you want to save space and on electricity, why not just make more use of your lights by scrogging or something of the sort instead?

 

[jimmygreenfingers]

Lol...try taking your own advice...the info about 10 ozs was given by the person i quoted originally on the subject. So the answer was directed towards him/her.

I've read the thread through quite a bit and i'm still not convinced about anything besides it MAY BE a decent alternative for someone with space issues and that its slightly quicker than vegging.

You keep saying that growers from 12-12 match yields from those who veg, Is this on a plant by plant basis or by space etc..and i'd like to see two close grows by reputable growers from veg and 12-12. You should know of one, you had to get your information from somewhere..so convince me. By the way, using the phrase "in the same size grow area" really changes things here...and as you said IMMEDIATELY prior to saying that, vegged plants take MORE space but produce MORE product. So, if you look at it from a strictly objective standpoint. If you have the space to veg the plants there is virtually NO reason to start your seed from 12-12 unless you can prove that it saves enough money and time in relation to vegging to actually make any type of difference.

Also, I'm asking for "REAL ADVANTAGES" besides space, and the minor cost of electricity etc..you've given me absolutely nothing besides that and heresay.

Dont have to convince anyone mate, of course were talking same size grow area. If you dont like 12/12 from seed then piss off and veg your plants.

 

[abrownmn]

11 plants 12/12 from seed under one 600w, could have fitted a few more under as well. More than 10 oz here.
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Okay, you have "more than 10 oz's" how much is it exactly? How long did the entire process take? How much did you save on electricity? How much space did you really save? What makes this more efficent in ANY way than just vegging the plants? You seem to stand behind this whole 12-12 thing pretty confidently. Prove something to me haha. With 10 plants i can easily make 20-40 ozs...can your set-up + savings even compare to that? I am not bashing, I am genuinely interested.

 

[abrownmn]

Dont have to convince anyone mate, of course were talking same size grow area. If you dont like 12/12 from seed then piss off and veg your plants.

Getting frustrated champ? I am not hating on your process at all so quit being so god damn sensitive. You don't HAVE to prove anything to me, but your sure as hell not doing a very good job of it.

 

[supersillybilly]

Listen 12/12 from seed can produce the same as plants that have a 3 week veg. Its all about your conditions, space and lighting. It takes the plants about 3 weeks to start flowering. Del and Jimmy constantly produce 3oz+ per plant. Learn the 12/12 skills and you will produce great yields. 20 small plants are easier to manage than 8 massive fuckers. I know from experience. I will never grow trees again

 

[tick tack toe]

here is mine 36 days in (5 weeks). ak48

One plant is bushy while the other is growing taller.

first picture is the taller one and the main cola that is growing on it. I feel there is about 6 weeks to go until finished. I hope they stretch a little more as they are that tall at all.