The $30,800 BCNL Big Kahuna With Cheese

TheRachShow

TheRachShow

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To be honest it's like this, if you have the cash to spend, fucking get on that shit. there is money to be made. The BK with C can harvest 36 plants (2 Producers) every 3 weeks and can expect to achieve from 1 lb to upwards of 2.5 lbs from each Pro. (17 harvests in a year once up and running with an average of 1.5 per Pro will get you over 50lbs in a year) that's sickening results. I don't know about where you guys are from, but here in michigan, with patient pricing, 50 lbs is 260k, you easily make 230,000 for doing little maintenance.

If I had 30k, i'd do it brother. Rock on! and good luck! I'm all for it.
 
ItsJohny

ItsJohny

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Where in Texas? I may be close. Also any decent handyman could build you a grow room. You just have to give them guidance and customize it with your needs. Also a portable building would be a option. Like a cheap aide of the road barn. 5$ or have one made and spend 2000-4000 on etc.. Lights bulbs hoods venting nutes.. Etc..
 
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NoDrama

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I have 2 producers, A Mothership, and 2 dryers. They pretty much do what is advertised except odor control, you need a real Can fan and big filter, the ones they provide are too small and cause the box to heat up too much. Otherwise their setup is pretty much ready to rock. Each producer pulls about 900 watts of power. You aren't going to get a pound out of each box every time, realistically you prolly get 8-12 ounces the first few times until you get your technique down.

Is there a cheaper and better way to do it? Sure as hell is. 600-1000 watt HPS in a cooltube, 5 gallon buckets with fishtank airpumps running DWC will net you a bigger yield and probably cost less than $500 for the complete setup minus nutes.

the boxes are very well made, lightweight, sturdy, easy to move around and the Programming is spot on and pretty easy to change yourself. the support the company gives is top notch.

The provided TDS and PH meters are crap, invest in a good Hannah or Milwaukee. Make sure you get the waterproof meters, you WILL drop them into the rez.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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NoDrama said:
I have 2 producers, A Mothership, and 2 dryers. They pretty much do what is advertised except odor control, you need a real Can fan and big filter, the ones they provide are too small and cause the box to heat up too much. Otherwise their setup is pretty much ready to rock. Each producer pulls about 900 watts of power. You aren't going to get a pound out of each box every time, realistically you prolly get 8-12 ounces the first few times until you get your technique down.

Is there a cheaper and better way to do it? Sure as hell is. 600-1000 watt HPS in a cooltube, 5 gallon buckets with fishtank airpumps running DWC will net you a bigger yield and probably cost less than $500 for the complete setup minus nutes.

the boxes are very well made, lightweight, sturdy, easy to move around and the Programming is spot on and pretty easy to change yourself. the support the company gives is top notch.

The provided TDS and PH meters are crap, invest in a good Hannah or Milwaukee. Make sure you get the waterproof meters, you WILL drop them into the rez.
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Cool, never talked to someone who used one. Good Info, thanks
 
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SwiftGrow

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I setup a smaller operation that yields 2-3 lbs a month 1 harvest every month. It takes up probably 1/2 the space all that will and will be making it 1 harvest every 3 weeks soon by adding another res and setup. I only spent around 10k in crap including nutrients for the first few months, tents, lights, growing equipment, all kinds of crap. I think for 15k you can do what that dumb box does for 30K and still have a top end system. Take a look at my system and double it if you want lol. 12 plants in flower in 4 packs in a 8x8 room and a 4x4 for veg. If you wanted go bigger just get a bigger tent or 2 10x10 tent and a 8x8 veg room or something and build from there. If you have never grown I would start smaller, you can always add and duplicate your rooms later for more space etc. check link to journal below assuming, you can always get ebb and flo system as well and cut down on some work. i would cruise the journals and see what people have and what they paid.

Best of Luck
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/384835-swiftgrow-journal.html
 
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davidmilam3

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I am really appreciating all of these replies and considering everyone of them. I'm glad to hear from some people that actually have used the same product.. Anyone else familiar with this system? Even it it's not the whole thing, but the BCNL bloombox, producers, etc...?
 
Dystopian

Dystopian

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Why dont you just do yourself a favor... go line by line and price each thing individually. First of all it will make you fucking sick so have a j ready. Secondly if you think this system is worth all that money and you can buy everything individually for cheaper, just complete their list from other manufacturers. I know you are a mature guy to be having 30k+ to your name but if you stop to think about it you sound like a 12 yr old with his first $100 burning a hole in his pocket... Slow down, man.

Also, do you even read the news? Do you realize whats going on in the world? Do you know about the inflation that is gonna hit in the next year? Food prices, gas prices, clothing electric, etc. Retirements(401k) are gonna be fucked for the sake of social security. The question isnt, "is this a good or bad decision now?" Its: "will i be kicking my own ass in 10-20 years when your retirement is dried up, weak, or stagnant. Welcome back to the working force brother!

Lastly, the guys that grow 50 elbows a year, i guarantee you, never payed somebody 30k+ for what you got. It sounds like its business to you and quite frankly the ends dont justify the means. Bad business venture. Thats my 2 cents so take it with a grain of salt as i do not have 30k+ in the bank. Hope this helps and i dont mean to sound derogatory in any sense. Good luck!
 
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davidmilam3

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Dystopian said:
Why dont you just do yourself a favor... go line by line and price each thing individually. First of all it will make you fucking sick so have a j ready. Secondly if you think this system is worth all that money and you can buy everything individually for cheaper, just complete their list from other manufacturers. I know you are a mature guy to be having 30k+ to your name but if you stop to think about it you sound like a 12 yr old with his first $100 burning a hole in his pocket... Slow down, man.

Also, do you even read the news? Do you realize whats going on in the world? Do you know about the inflation that is gonna hit in the next year? Food prices, gas prices, clothing electric, etc. Retirements(401k) are gonna be fucked for the sake of social security. The question isnt, "is this a good or bad decision now?" Its: "will i be kicking my own ass in 10-20 years when your retirement is dried up, weak, or stagnant. Welcome back to the working force brother!


Lastly, the guys that grow 50 elbows a year, i guarantee you, never payed somebody 30k+ for what you got. It sounds like its business to you and quite frankly the ends dont justify the means. Bad business venture. Thats my 2 cents so take it with a grain of salt as i do not have 30k+ in the bank. Hope this helps and i dont mean to sound derogatory in any sense. Good luck!
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na man, good stuff... that's why i started the thread. I obviously want to do some homework on the thing and get some opinions before investing that kind of money. I appreciate your thoughts.

I think my problem is that I don't know anyone growing 50lbs a year and haven't seen the type of operation or space that will take. I'm gonna keep researching though for sure.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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davidmilam3 said:
na man, good stuff... that's why i started the thread. I obviously want to do some homework on the thing and get some opinions before investing that kind of money. I appreciate your thoughts.

I think my problem is that I don't know anyone growing 50lbs a year and haven't seen the type of operation or space that will take. I'm gonna keep researching though for sure.
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You want to see an awesome grow being built that is gonna produce way more than that?

Go look up the thread by Research Kitty on her and her husbands commercial grow. F'in beautiful man...
 
GibbsIt89

GibbsIt89

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davidmilam3 said:
Great man, will do.
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ya man its not too hard, just do some homwork, and i give you credit for researching and asking questions, there is alot of ppl on this website who just post a thread about every question they have and wait for ppl to answer it for them instead of going around in the forums/threads and researching.

but dude just for example, i am a complete newb, i have learnt everything i currently know off this website and from current RIU members, i dont take anything into consideration unless it is just basic facts, other then that, to me alot of it is just trial and error/experimenting. I first started growing in january 2010.. my first plant in my appartment, long story short i jumped to 42 plants in july 2010, did alot of learning, fucked alot of things up but again, all a huge learning experience as i said before in agreeing with "starting small instead of big first now" lol. Let me get to the point tho...

here is a list of my equipment below.. i dont have EVERYTHING nessisary like ventilation mainly (intake/exhaust), but you will get the drift... with JUST this equipment i had created a grow plan of harvesting a pound a week, over a year that is 52 pounds! i haven't had the funds to get it up and running like buying high output fans etc etc but it all totally makes sense to me that i should have no problem getting 52 pounds a year.. this of course as long as i have the cycle up and running before the harvesting begins weekly for that year. There of course has to be room for error as im a newb and definetly dont think i can grow an ounce per plant, that requires knowledge of proper pot sizes (ive just bin growin in soiless mix to get the hang of things), flowering time/rooting time etc. for strains, temperature ranging, how long i veg, etc etc. etc.. i would be harvesting 16 plants a week and striving for an ounce per plant... here is my grow equipment (everything in red, i recieved from a friend for a half ounce of amazingly cured purple kush, i was VERY lucky, stuff can get hella expensive):

LIGHTING
(1) 1000 watt hps ballast (brand new)
(1) 1000 watt mh ballast
(1) 400 watt mh ballast

(2) 1000 watt hps bulbs (1 brand new)
(1) 1000 watt mh cold bulb (7200k spectrum, brand new)
(1) 400 watt mh warm bulb (3200k spectrum, brand new)
(1) 400 watt mh cold bulb
(2) 400 watt mh cold bulbs (7200k spectrum, brand new)
(2) 24 watt t5 tubes (6400k spectrum, brand new)
(2) 26 watt cfl bulbs (6400k spectrum, brand new)
(1) 45 watt LED grow panel (compared to 250watt HID)

EQUIPMENT
(1) light mover ($300, wtf! lol)
(1) RH/Temp meter
(1) water purifier (broken at the moment, bin using distilled water with 0 ppm)
(2) air purifiers
(2) ph test kits (one is drops, other are strips)
(1) dehumidifier
(3) oci. fans
(1) water pump
(5) air pumps

NUTRIENTS
(2) bottles DNF GroA
(2) bottles DNF GroB
(2) bottles DNF BloA
(2) bottles DNF BloB
(1) bottle DNF Green
(1) bottle DNF Gold
(1) bottle DNF Black
(1) bottle DNF Clear
(1) bottle DNF Enhance
(1) cont. DNF Veg fortifier
(1) cont. DNF Bloom fortifier
(1) cont. DNF Carbo logic
(1) cont. Bat Guano ("flowering period") (unopend)

TRAY/CLONING/SOIL
(1) cloning tray with 7inch tall dome
(90) 1"inch rockwool cubes
(50) rapid rooters
(1) bottle cloning gel
(1) bail of Pro-mix HP (originally was using the Bx, but get more feeds in with HP indoors)

this is a list i just stole from my current grow thread in my signature where ive listed my equipment (made things easier then retypeing everything). I of course wouldnt be using my air pumps or water pump cuz id be doing this in soil/pots at first just becuz i already hav all that stuff. Here is the grow plan (each line is a one week period):

-root
-root, root 2nd
-veg LED, root 2nd, root 3rd
-veg LED, veg 2nd, root 3rd, root 4th
-flower 1000watt HPS, veg 2nd, veg 3rd, root 4th, root 5th
-flower 1000watt HPS, flower 2nd, veg 3rd, veg 4th, root 5th
-flower 1000watt HPS, flower 2nd, flower 3rd, veg 4th, veg 5th
-flower 1000watt HPS, flower 2nd, flower 3rd, flower 4th, veg 5th
-flower 1000watt HPS, flower 2nd, flower 3rd, flower 4th, flower 5th
-flower 1000watt HPS, flower 2nd, flower 3rd, flower 4th, flower 5th
-flower 1000watt HPS, flower 2nd, flower 3rd, flower 4th, flower 5th
-flower 1000watt HPS, flower 2nd, flower 3rd, flower 4th, flower 5th
-HARVEST, flower 2nd, flower 3rd, flower 4th, flower 5th
-HARVEST 2nd, flower 3rd, flower 4th, flower 5th
-HARVEST 3rd, flower 4th, flower 5th
-HARVEST 4th, flower 5th
-HARVEST 5th,


This of course would run continueously, just didnt want to keep typing it out for 52 weeks lol.. but as you can see after about 12 weeks i would begin harvesting every week. ALSO as you can see i am only using:

-CFLs/T5s - cloneing
-LED panel - Veg
-1000watt HPS on a 6' light rail with light mover - FLOWER

Your probly curious about my LED panel as there are so many different kinds/pricing etc. etc. I dont know shit about LEDs i just picked this little panel up that measures 1'x1'x2", runs 45 watts, 45 1watt LEDs dual spectrum red&blue so i could technically flower with it if i wanted to but i only veg for 2 weeks under it with this cycle.. i purchased the LED panel for $140 just as an experiment to see how well they do..

HOPE THIS WASNT TOO MUCH TO COMPREHEND & I HOPE IT HELPS

GibbsIt89
 
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q3aserver

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24 1000 watt lights, automated constancy and a good plan. That is what you need to make 50lbs in 8 months. I sent a message to your Email.

I cannot imagine the time you would have to spend to harvest multiple times a month. Keep it simple, plant 6 large plants every month.


If your into low maintenance then you want aquaponics.
 
GibbsIt89

GibbsIt89

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q3aserver said:
24 1000 watt lights, automated constancy and a good plan. That is what you need to make 50lbs in 8 months. I sent a message to your Email.

I cannot imagine the time you would have to spend to harvest multiple times a month. Keep it simple, plant 6 large plants every month.


If your into low maintenance then you want aquaponics.
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are you referring to me?? or david? lol sorry
 
GibbsIt89

GibbsIt89

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either way david, that whole post was just an EXAMPLE of what you can come up with after a little research and not many lights.. of course this wont go as smoothly as written down on paper but again an EXAMPLE of what you can come up with, with little equipment.
 
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