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newworldicon said:

Literlly hundreds of thousands of people are using it, commercially and hobbyists. It's excellent stuff especially for hempy buckets, my moms are in them and I have also grown out in this stuff many times before. Wicking action for smaller plants, holds nutrient very well, is seay to flush and reusable many times over. I'll see if I can get some pics up..

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Yeah looks great........too bad I can't find anywhere to buy it in the US.............

^^^ What he said, stuff does seem interesting enough, but since it's not in the US may as well go hempy buckets which would be cheaper in the long run.

Strange that it is not easily available in the states, just done a casual search and nothing...business opportunity anyone.......??

Have you tried sure to grow, they have similar products...

Txchilies said:

^^^ What he said, stuff does seem interesting enough, but since it's not in the US may as well go hempy buckets which would be cheaper in the long run.

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Just to clarify...hempy is the method and mapito is the substrate/medium.

yea i got that, i started too look into it, and i do find it strange that its not very popular here in the states?

maybe its just one of those, europeans like hash with tobbacco and californians love hash with straight OG. we all have our own way of doing things

BEFORe i post those extra pics of update 4, check out what i found at a local swap meet

its a aero garden, planning on putting it in my kitchen and grow some herbs, this will be my first run on any hydro type set up lol

day 38 of 12/12
just in case u missed it, check my previous post, i did a officaly update on day 35, compare the two and see how fast they are growing




BTW thats not crystals on the leaves, thats a bunch of sugar i dumped on them so i can fool HID NON-BELIEVER folks in thinking LEDS really do work... HAHAHA SARCASM

SHE WONT LET YOU HIT THAT PUSSY -aesop rock

flOWER update 5 day 42 of 12/12


ok heres my notes of my feeding program with VITAL EARTH


did last reccomended top dressing from vital earth
6tbs vital earths glacial rock
8tbs of vital earths compost
and a little extra soil to fill it in.

(i have more to add on this, concerning my ph and vital earths reccomendation.)

fed

tea is @ 5 gallons

1tbs glacial rock
4tbs of worm
4tbs of compost
1tbs of baseline
1tbs vital earth bat guano high-phos 0-13-0
1tbs vital earth bloom mix OG 0-9-0

this is all put into a nylon stocking
i brew for a bout 12 hrs then i add

1/2 tbs of kelp
1tsp of mollasses
4tbs of vital earths bloom

(ONCE AGIAN i have more concerns, will get back to this)

alright so according to vital earth, in their feeding program, they state to pH the tea or every feed with there products.
now this goes against everything i learned in organics, i was under the assumption that pHing the tea or feed can potentially kill all the beneficial microbes.

According to Teaming with Microbes, pH only matters in the soil, if its good quality soil, then your pH should always be balanced.

after doing a bunch of test and researching, i realized that vital earth hasn't mention that their soil haves dolomite lime, which acts like a pH balance or keeps pH up.

so when i did a pH check about a week ago it droped to 6.3-.6.4 so i added dolomite lime and bumped it back up to 6.9.

so my concern is, should i follow vital earth and pH my tea? or should i focus on the soil and not worry about the feed pH?
i did email them and no answer..

im still all for vital earth, im just concerned on which route to take.


what u guys think?

vital earth tea
http://www.vitalearthsproducts.com/content/vital-earths®-compost-tea-recipe

heres there FAQ on there website, it answers my questions, but at the same time it makes me ask a bunch more questions, that arnt answered.
http://www.vitalearthsproducts.com/faq

Looking good man haha I used to have an aerogarden too I used it to sprout my babies when I was doing dwc

I always been a soil Gardner, my first plant was in my moms garden at age 12, plus I never had space for indoor so I always grew out door soil. I'm still all about soil organics but I got lots of love for any hydro soilless growers. so I figure I got to start some where so ynot with parsley/mints/chillies and one day eventually ganja

From what I remember about compost teas, when I used them is you never ph them and never use tap water(chlorine) duh............girls look great BTW/ fly hi mofo

You definitely dont ph teas. I use any seaweed, ancient forest compost, humic acid, epsom salt. That makes the dankest tea ever. Oh and molasses too

I Dont pH My Tea.Of Course I Grow In Hydro.But The Company That Makes Your Product Say's To pH It.When I Start Using A New Product I Follow The Directions to See What Happens Then Adjust From Their If Needed.Sounds To Me You Could Do A LITTLE Experiminting.pH The Tea In 1 Plant And Dont pH The Other Compare Results And Go from Their

PSUAGRO. said:

From what I remember about compost teas, when I used them is you never ph them and never use tap water(chlorine) duh............girls look great BTW/ fly hi mofo

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Thanks homie and yea years back I learned the hard way on using tap water haha

hyroot said:

You definitely dont ph teas. I use any seaweed, ancient forest compost, humic acid, epsom salt. That makes the dankest tea ever. Oh and molasses too

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Sounds like a good tea, is ancien forest general organics?

The Dawg said:

I Dont pH My Tea.Of Course I Grow In Hydro.But The Company That Makes Your Product Say's To pH It.When I Start Using A New Product I Follow The Directions to See What Happens Then Adjust From Their If Needed.Sounds To Me You Could Do A LITTLE Experiminting.pH The Tea In 1 Plant And Dont pH The Other Compare Results And Go from Their

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Great advise!!! I cloned the orange bud so just in case I want to give her another round I just might do that. I really want to perfect organics and seriously just grow the darkest fucking weed on this earth!!!!

foreverflyhi said:

Sounds like a good tea, is ancien forest general organics?

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Yes AF is general organics. The plants love it and bugs hate it. I top dress every 2 weeks with it too.

I use tap water with my tea. I aerate it for a day. Then add molasses and aerate for an hour before adding anything else. Molasses neutralizes chems in tap water. It takes about 20 min for 5 gal. But I let it go an hour anyway.

http://www.microbeorganics.com/

If you do ph. Earth juice makes an organic ph up and ph down.



Edit: I just started a brew. I forgot to do molasses first. So I added it last. I use botanicare molasses. It smells like pizza.. Or my neighbor just made a shit load of hotpockets.


Edit: just walked back in there. Tea smells like pizza still....

hyroot said:

Yes AF is general organics. The plants love it and bugs hate it. I top dress every 2 weeks with it too.

I use tap water with my tea. I aerate it for a day. Then add molasses and aerate for an hour before adding anything else. Molasses neutralizes chems in tap water. It takes about 20 min for 5 gal. But I let it go an hour anyway.

http://www.microbeorganics.com/

If you do ph. Earth juice makes an organic ph up and ph down.



Edit: I just started a brew. I forgot to do molasses first. So I added it last. I use botanicare molasses. It smells like pizza.. Or my neighbor just made a shit load of hotpockets.


Edit: just walked back in there. Tea smells like pizza still....

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Thanks for the advise!
Haha mmmmmmmm pizza
I never had a pizza smelling tea lol
all my teas smell like sweet mother nature

Check the subcools organics sub forum in organics section.


I've never done super soil. But from what I understand, the bone meal, fish meal, etc... Takes 4 weeks minimum to break down. Should let it cook for 6 to 8 weeks. In mine when I reuse it. I add af compost, kelp meal, dolomite lime,ewc, alfalfa meal, alpaca guano (low npk), perlite. I turn it every few days. Keep it a little moist. Cook for 2 weeks. Then I just use roots organic uprising grow and bloom. It works great.


I think its a flower ready. Like when its time to flower the roots are just reaching the high phos nutes.

People have threads and posts using it indoor and outdoor.


If using ro water. The dol lime should be fine for cal mag for the first few weeks. Then maybe add cal mag later.

I don't think you are supposed to add any nutes later on. Just water for the whole grow.