The Best N-P-K
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RickWhite
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Light is not the issue. It could be that my Ionic solution is bad because I did notice some chunks have precipitated. I was leery of this but used it anyway - just shook the hell out of it.
It could also be my DWC needs changing. That is the problem with DWC - big setups require way too much solution and are a big hassle.
My next system is going to be a basic Rockwool drip system. I'm going to fill 2 gal pots with the croûtons.
Anyway, now that I think about it this stem issue is kind of a new thing. And my clones have been dying which they never did before. I bet that fertilizer went bad on me. Obviously the solid chunks came from somewhere. *** that Ionic - probably cost me over $1000. Oh well, next crop will be a bumper.
It could also be my DWC needs changing. That is the problem with DWC - big setups require way too much solution and are a big hassle.
My next system is going to be a basic Rockwool drip system. I'm going to fill 2 gal pots with the croûtons.
Anyway, now that I think about it this stem issue is kind of a new thing. And my clones have been dying which they never did before. I bet that fertilizer went bad on me. Obviously the solid chunks came from somewhere. *** that Ionic - probably cost me over $1000. Oh well, next crop will be a bumper.
seasmoke
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UB, I'll take some pictures tomorrow. They are all clones from one plant. I just finished up the original and she was nice. Lemony scent, great head high...buzzing type, made me want to do something....Three are coming up two weeks from Sunday, and then theres 8 more one week in right now. I'd like to yield as much as possible, if possible...Thanx.
Uncle Ben
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What do you mean "what am I doing?" I'm basing my decision on plant nutritional requirements per the NPK values, like I said in the post.
You do know what a precipitate is? I can't make it any clearer than I already have. Any one else wanna take a stab?
Dr. Greenhorn
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Precipitation is the formation of a solid in a solution during a chemical reaction. When the reaction occurs, the solid formed is called the precipitate, and the liquid remaining above the solid is called the supernate
RickWhite
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Update:
Turns out it isn't a K deficiency. Because I have to bring in water I have let my EC creep up a bit - in this case a lot. Damn plants use outrageous amounts of water. Anyway, the high EC was the culprit. Funny thing, I noticed the plants soaking in Final Flush were strong with hard stems and the ones in the DWC were falling over. Checked my EC and 1 of the tubs was 2.5. These plants seem to like a low EC.
Anyway, I still don't mind switching to a fertalizer with a proven track record.
Turns out it isn't a K deficiency. Because I have to bring in water I have let my EC creep up a bit - in this case a lot. Damn plants use outrageous amounts of water. Anyway, the high EC was the culprit. Funny thing, I noticed the plants soaking in Final Flush were strong with hard stems and the ones in the DWC were falling over. Checked my EC and 1 of the tubs was 2.5. These plants seem to like a low EC.
Anyway, I still don't mind switching to a fertalizer with a proven track record.
Katatawnic
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My plants were happy with GH (I first used FloraNova Grow and Bloom, then later MaxiGro and MaxiBloom; both are "two parters" so no mixing different formulas in one feeding involved.).
But I have to say, they're happier now with Dyna-Gro Liquid Grow 7-9-5... I'd thought about getting the Dyna-Gro Foliage-Pro 9-3-6, but so far my plants in flower are as happy with the 7-9-5 as my plants in veg are, so for now I'm happy too.
Oh, and so far I've used no supplements and haven't flushed... and the buds have been yummy!
But I have to say, they're happier now with Dyna-Gro Liquid Grow 7-9-5... I'd thought about getting the Dyna-Gro Foliage-Pro 9-3-6, but so far my plants in flower are as happy with the 7-9-5 as my plants in veg are, so for now I'm happy too.
Oh, and so far I've used no supplements and haven't flushed... and the buds have been yummy!
YouGrowBoy
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I've been using Dutch Master Gold products for the past few months in a custom DWC/Aero system (25gl of water for 3 plants) with good results. Never have yellow bottom leaves and always have tons of green foliage.
The NPK's are
Grow A: 3.5-0-1.5
Grow B: 0.5-0.5-2.5
Grow.Add27: 1-1-4
Totals 5-1.5-8
Flower A: 4-0-4
Flower B: 0-3-5
Flower.add27: 0-2-2
4-5-11
DM seems to agree that adding N during flower is a help but the K seems too high compared to the P.
I've been thinking of trying Jacks or Dyna-grow with more traditional NPK"s to see how it does. It's a lot less expensive and doesn't claim any VooDoo in the bottle to make it better then the others.
I do like adding DM Silica and Zone (root enhancer) in to the ferts to help build strong roots and stems.
Any thoughts?
YGB
The NPK's are
Grow A: 3.5-0-1.5
Grow B: 0.5-0.5-2.5
Grow.Add27: 1-1-4
Totals 5-1.5-8
Flower A: 4-0-4
Flower B: 0-3-5
Flower.add27: 0-2-2
4-5-11
DM seems to agree that adding N during flower is a help but the K seems too high compared to the P.
I've been thinking of trying Jacks or Dyna-grow with more traditional NPK"s to see how it does. It's a lot less expensive and doesn't claim any VooDoo in the bottle to make it better then the others.
I do like adding DM Silica and Zone (root enhancer) in to the ferts to help build strong roots and stems.
Any thoughts?
YGB
Uncle Ben
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Yeah. How much more confusing can you get?
YouGrowBoy
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Let me break it down.
We're talking about NPK here. Dutch Master makes an AB Gold series of nutrients. Like most others they have a 1 set for grow and 1 for flower. Their regime also includes ad additive called add.27
Each individual nute has the following values
The NPK's are
Grow A: 3.5-0-1.5
Grow B: 0.5-0.5-2.5
Grow.Add27: 1-1-4
Grow Total NPK:5-1.5-8
Flower A: 4-0-4
Flower B: 0-3-5
Flower.add27: 0-2-2
Flower Total NPK: 4-5-11
I've been using Dutch Master Gold products for the past few months in a custom DWC/Aero system (25gl of water for 3 plants) with good results. Never have yellow bottom leaves and always have tons of green foliage.
DM seems to agree that adding N during flower (N=4) is a help but the K seems too high (K=11) compared to the P of 5.
I've been thinking of trying Jacks or Dyna-grow with more traditional NPK"s to see how it does. It's a lot less expensive and doesn't claim any VooDoo in the bottle to make it better then the others.
I do like adding Dutch Master Silica and Zone (root enhancer) in to the ferts to help build strong roots and stems.
Any thoughts?
Merry Xmas
YGB
YouGrowBoy
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One thing I've been researching but can't find is what other plant that the can be found at nurseries does MJ closely resemble?
I've been looking at the various blends at http://www.jrpeters.com/jacks/products.html and which plant mimics that of MMJ. If you view the page you'll see different blends for different plants.
It appears that the Petunia Feed (20-6-22) is close to what GH uses for MaxiGro (10-5-14) and the Jack's Bloom Booster (10-30-20) is a good formula for bloom.
I've been looking at the various blends at http://www.jrpeters.com/jacks/products.html and which plant mimics that of MMJ. If you view the page you'll see different blends for different plants.
It appears that the Petunia Feed (20-6-22) is close to what GH uses for MaxiGro (10-5-14) and the Jack's Bloom Booster (10-30-20) is a good formula for bloom.
Shrubs First
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Tomatoes.. Dursky
squarepush3r
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Lucas is 5-10-9
Moldy
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The old Fox Farm trio. I go to the bloom formula after going to 12/12 which of course is lacking in N. They always say the yellowing of the fan leaves is normal but it went against common sense... to me anyway. I'm a very small med grower so I'm not too concerned on yields just strong affects. I feel I'm not getting that by letting leaves die so the plant doesn't fully mature before it starts to die. This is what I getting from this thread.
So when I get into flowering I will watch for yellowing and keep the N value up to prevent yellowing. Sounds logical.
Pix of last yellow grow... again they probably never really matured?
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Dankster4Life
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Just to be sure......one ? wasn't given a direct answer(i think)
If i have a 5-1-1 and say a 1-5-1 product and mix them in a jug is my final npk 6-6-2?
Just want to make sure there is nothing i'm missing......no crazy math formula i don't know of or some thing.Thanks
If i have a 5-1-1 and say a 1-5-1 product and mix them in a jug is my final npk 6-6-2?
Just want to make sure there is nothing i'm missing......no crazy math formula i don't know of or some thing.Thanks
Uncle Ben
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Yep, when you're selling something that induces premature leaf drop, you've got to come up with some kind of lame excuse. Good on ya for seeing thru their bullshit.
You got it.
Nope. I call it "proper hang time".
Yep, if in equal amounts.
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