The Bush Strikes Again!

medicineman · Jan 15, 2007

7xnothing...................plus what Vi mentions about what the "corporate controlled U.S. govnmnt" has done regarding sacrificing soldiers lives for the sake of our friends!

There you go with the sacrifice thing. That is only a word used by those that have never been in the killing fields. A nobel sacrifice. If it was your ass being "sacrificed", I'm sure you'd see that helping "Our Friends" is not the paramount task at hand, but saving your ass from sacrifice is! You Armchair warriors that advocate war to solve all the worlds problems, are the problem. If the Plutocrats actually had to do the fighting, there would be no wars. Yeah it's easy to sit in your recliner and say; "yeah we made a lot of sacrifices in Iraq, but we really helped those Iraqis" Ha ha ha ho ho ho he he he. you make me laugh. The reason, and only reason we are there is Profit!!! What kind of glasses do you wear, they must be rose colored, and you use them to see out of your Ivory tower, sacrifices be damned!

7xstall · Jan 15, 2007

yeah, you're right...

it just so happens that i was released from a state prison on my 20th b-day. soon i met this awesome girl and we fell in love and because i had no skills, education, money to help me take care of her, build a better life etc. i decided to join the Marines. we talked about it, talked to my friends and it was a go...

i wasn't/ am not a felon but because i had served some time and had charges relating to MJ they said go to college for 2 years then come back...there was no convincing them, no waiver. so, i did go to college. i worked full time, went to school full time and had a family. i started moving up and gaining expertise, earning more and more. i still wonder sometimes if i should go...if i should be there...if i had gone then would i be dead now...stuff like that crosses my mind often.

my friends are glad to have gone when they did, some are still there; giving to you and me. my cousin made it back. my wife's cousin is due to be out next year. just wished a young Marine safe journey a couple months ago as he is now deployed in anwar prov.

i understand sacrifice and i am allowed to use that word because that's how i see it. to people like you it's just profit and loss and silly conspiracies but to me it's life. it's about someone giving their life and because i was willing to do it i completely understand.

medicineman · Jan 16, 2007

understand sacrifice and i am allowed to use that word because that's how i see it. to people like you it's just profit and loss and silly conspiracies but to me it's life. it's about someone giving their life and because i was willing to do it i completely understand. What the fuck do you know about me to chastise me on sacrifice? The word speaks volumnes. You must have experienced the feeling of bullets heading towards your head and heard the snapping sound they make as they go through the speed of sound close to your ears to be such an expert. How about seeing your buddies head explode 20 ft away. Wannabees don't count when you make a statement like a "sacrifice for our friends", who decides who lives and who dies? The rich have been sending cannon fodder to win their friends battles for too long so corporations can make a ton of money. If you would stop drinking the "Koolaid" and use that Brain God gave you, you might know what I'm talking about, otherwise, don't chastise Me on sacrifice!

7xstall · Jan 16, 2007

all i know about you is that you constantly talk about money and some mysterious group of rich people who are sweeping in the cash because of this war. you seem to think that no one on earth sees a need to be on the offense and those of us that do are just basing it on how much money can be made. you seem to believe that our soldiers are just pawns for mighty corps to use for financial gains and that makes their sacrifice trivial.

it's not trivial to me.

it's not money profit when a dad gets off his plane and goes home to his family instead of being vaporized as a martyr attack is carried out...that's moral profit.

it's not money that we see when a family in Baghdad gets to have diner together without the fear of a psychotic leader's psychotic brother busting down their door so he can rape their 11 year old daughter... he was known to have an appetite for young girls. that's moral profit.

it isn't dollars and cents when Iraqi people get to vote or when girls get to learn to read in Afghan or when Art is on display in buildings that once were home to huge portraits of totalitarian leaders.

this is profit of the kind that money is incapable of representing; human prosperity.

maybe i'm wrong, it happens too often that i am, but all i know about you right now is a stream of cynicism and unsubstantiated anti-american bias.

truth is that wars always boil down to money or currency of some kind if you look at it very simplistically.. it is money after all that allows us to buy food, shelter, etc..and when individuals or gvnmnts interrupt the money of a nation they face grave consequences, historically.. to suggest however that war is an industry that profits a country so much that all other industry is secondary, that life itself is no longer important, has no factual basis...in fact, the opposite is already proven true.

ViRedd · Jan 16, 2007

7x ...

Beautiful post ... simply beautiful. I hope you never leave this forum, Bro. You have a real talent for nailing it to the wall. Well said.

I wonder if the Nay Sayers ever consider that those with capital are those who provide income for other's through job creation?

Vi

medicineman · Jan 16, 2007

all i know about you is that you constantly talk about money and some mysterious group of rich people who are sweeping in the cash because of this war. you seem to think that no one on earth sees a need to be on the offense and those of us that do are just basing it on how much money can be made. you seem to believe that our soldiers are just pawns for mighty corps to use for financial gains and that makes their sacrifice trivial.
Man, the sacrifice thing is never trivial. I know not how you can accuse me of that when that has been the whole gist of my posts. The people doing the sacrificing are not the ones reaping the profits like Cheney and Haliburton and all the corps. profiteering off of this war. It's always like that. The common men do the sacrificing so the rich assholes (who never go to war, or their kids) can make money. Prove me wrong, and please dont accuse me again of trivalizing any death. Life is as precious to a poor soldier as it is to a CEO. I just see the reason behind war and you are drinking the koolaid! And as far as mysterious group of rich people, Look to Haliburton and affiliates to start, the list is long. Someday if you feel you cannot find the google button to find who is reaping profits from Iraq, I may compile a list for you. Meanwhile chill out on the sacrifice thing, My brother sacrificed in Viet Nam, same shit different day!

7xstall · Jan 17, 2007

i think everyone is thankful for your brother and all the 58,225 others who gave in the second war with China. i know i am. even though so many think of that war as a failure it wasn't, the spread of communism stopped!

had no idea you were from that generation med, it's heart warming when older people such as yourself are learning the "Internet" and how to use "computers" at a time in your life usually reserved for slowing down and taking it easy.

The common men do the sacrificing so the rich assholes (who never go to war, or their kids) can make money. Prove me wrong,

well, first of all i don't believe there is one "common" man in America. there are men with common expectations but no one is forced to be common here. next, you have the order of events backward and this is what i thought we already discussed. soldiers don't go die so that profit can be made. when all options have failed and there is war, there are companies that are more efficient at delivering certain devices of war (or rebuilding) than the gvnmnt so they are paid to do so.

CEO of hellabombs inc. doesn't say, "hmm, i need a new private jet, think i'll call Bush and see if we can't stir up some jihadists today..."

companies like halliburton, which you would crucify, employ thousands of Americans and specialize in difficult engineering and/or logistical tasks. they carry out these tasks in an efficient, profit driven manor as opposed to a "get an extra two just in case" gvnmnt approach. they also develop technologies that preserve the environment, secure vulnerable areas and raise the bar worldwide.

i personally think it's great that these companies serve us by taking a load off the military and creating private sector jobs while saving tax dollars!

medicineman · Jan 17, 2007

7xstall said:
i think everyone is thankful for your brother and all the 58,225 others who gave in the second war with China. i know i am. even though so many think of that war as a failure it wasn't, the spread of communism stopped!

had no idea you were from that generation med, it's heart warming when older people such as yourself are learning the "Internet" and how to use "computers" at a time in your life usually reserved for slowing down and taking it easy.

The common men do the sacrificing so the rich assholes (who never go to war, or their kids) can make money. Prove me wrong,

well, first of all i don't believe there is one "common" man in America. there are men with common expectations but no one is forced to be common here. next, you have the order of events backward and this is what i thought we already discussed. soldiers don't go die so that profit can be made. when all options have failed and there is war, there are companies that are more efficient at delivering certain devices of war (or rebuilding) than the gvnmnt so they are paid to do so.

CEO of hellabombs inc. doesn't say, "hmm, i need a new private jet, think i'll call Bush and see if we can't stir up some jihadists today..."

companies like halliburton, which you would crucify, employ thousands of Americans and specialize in difficult engineering and/or logistical tasks. they carry out these tasks in an efficient, profit driven manor as opposed to a "get an extra two just in case" gvnmnt approach. they also develop technologies that preserve the environment, secure vulnerable areas and raise the bar worldwide.

i personally think it's great that these companies serve us by taking a load off the military and creating private sector jobs while saving tax dollars!

CEO of hellabombs inc. doesn't say, "hmm, i need a new private jet, think i'll call Bush and see if we can't stir up some jihadists today..." "No they call Cheney, and he tells Bush"

I guess you have some financial interest in war, or you've just taken a huge gulp of the poison coolaid, read my posts on war profiteering and then tell me we didn't go to war for profit! Maybe WWII was fought for the right reasons, but most every one since then have been for some rich bastards interest. Did you read my partial list, those are just the up front ones. There are over 100,000 contractors in Iraq, almost as many as soldiers, and that doesn't count sub contractors! pull your head out and see your beloved country as others see it. I love this "country", but I don't have any love for the Idiots running it, they have ruined it, the majority of the world hates our guts, and that, my friend, is not a good thing!

battosai · Jan 17, 2007

how can a war be based on anything besides profit? if you attack someone, its either to get back something they took from you, or because you want to take something from them for yourself. you really think we bomb any country based on principal? like we're some swift hand of justice that travels mach 5 to annihilate the brown colored peoples for blowing up our buildings simply because they hate us. or are they "jealous" of our freedom. let me guess insurgents are terrorists because they fight the army that is taking over their country. if people cant see past the obvious bullshit we're doomed! how can people take what they see from news sources and contrast that to other news sources for deduction of facts-it makes no sense.

think hard about this, and post any specific war that doesnt abide my simple formula.

goodluck

medicineman · Jan 17, 2007

battosai said:
how can a war be based on anything besides profit? if you attack someone, its either to get back something they took from you, or because you want to take something from them for yourself. you really think we bomb any country based on principal? like we're some swift hand of justice that travels mach 5 to annihilate the brown colored peoples for blowing up our buildings simply because they hate us. or are they "jealous" of our freedom. let me guess insurgents are terrorists because they fight the army that is taking over their country. if people cant see past the obvious bullshit we're doomed! how can people take what they see from news sources and contrast that to other news sources for deduction of facts-it makes no sense.

think hard about this, and post any specific war that doesnt abide my simple formula.

goodluck

Now there's someone who gets it. Thanks Batosi. Say is there any meaning to that name. My neighbor used to have that for a nickname, I think his was Bastosi. He was a great neighbor for 17 years, his wife started cheating and sued for divorce, He couldnt afford to keep the house he was born in, and sold out to the Phillopean coyotes, now there are a passel of phillopinos living in that 4 bedroom house plus the huge garage turned into a hostel, I'd say 15-25 people are staying there, cars everywhere! Oh Bastosi what have you done!!

7xstall · Jan 17, 2007

i put you in charge of the koolaid so if it's bad stuff it's your fault...and that hit on your age was supposed to be funny...made me laugh anyway..

look, this society of whispers and international collusion for chaos might make sense to you but it just doesn't add up for me. i know a bunch of really smart people like you, left and right wing, who have this idea stuck in your head that there's this big evil force, hell bent on making money the most difficult, volatile and uncertain way possible...

do you really think bin laden and Cheney are kicking back somewhere eating a bag of pork rinds (maybe dung chips?) talking about their next big caper? is that how it will be with Iran when that one starts? DPRK? you think China has been forcing women to abort female children for 4 generations so they can have the biggest infantry on earth and profit from a big war with us and we're involved in this??

i've eaten strips of cid, smoked many a q bag, been drunk with the best of 'em, run over some bumps and even done some shit that doesn't have a name but this is the wildest stuff i've ever heard man...

and for the record, this war put me out of a job shortly after 9/11.

battosai · Jan 17, 2007

medicineman said:
Say is there any meaning to that name.

battosai (pronounced BUH-TOE-SAI or BAWT-TOE-SAI] means 'man slayer' and 'master of the shealthed sword' to my understanding. the term came from fuedal japan [just before the maji era]

there is a anime cartoon called rouroni kenshin, also called samauri x, that depicts the battosai just after the maji era began, the story line is based on his unwillingness to kill anyone ever again.

the name symbolically represents to me the idea that sometimes it takes great sin to learn great virtue.

7xstall · Jan 17, 2007

battosai said:
how can a war be based on anything besides profit? if you attack someone, its either to get back something they took from you, or because you want to take something from them for yourself. you really think we bomb any country based on principal? like we're some swift hand of justice that travels mach 5 to annihilate the brown colored peoples for blowing up our buildings simply because they hate us. or are they "jealous" of our freedom. let me guess insurgents are terrorists because they fight the army that is taking over their country. if people cant see past the obvious bullshit we're doomed! how can people take what they see from news sources and contrast that to other news sources for deduction of facts-it makes no sense.

think hard about this, and post any specific war that doesnt abide my simple formula.

goodluck

desire for profit and the consolidation of power/commerce is always at the heart of conflict. to further simplify it often does come down to jealousy.

my argument is that this is not a calculated effort on the part of any corporate entity in America to have the current state of affairs.

medicineman · Jan 17, 2007

you think China has been forcing women to abort female children for 4 generations so they can have the biggest infantry on earth and profit from a big war with us and we're involved in this??
You're advocating war with China, Get off the cid, they have nukes, don't you know the first rule of warmongering is to not attack a country with Nukes! As far as the girl-boy thing, asians in general see the girls as less valuable to the society, kinda like Muslims, but not as extreme! I don't think they've been raising boys to go to war with us, they know that would bring out the big Bang and the planet would have to start over!

7xstall · Jan 17, 2007

there has never been a weapon in history that we haven't gone all out with. i fear that a couple on Japan might not have been enough to keep our finger off the trigger forever...our memories are so short. i watched a show the other night with my son about that war, the mission and the aftermath.. his conclusion was simply, "it would be stupid to use a nuclear bomb on anyone!"

if you haven't heard of it look into unrestricted warfare...

medicineman · Jan 17, 2007

7xstall said:
there has never been a weapon in history that we haven't gone all out with. i fear that a couple on Japan might not have been enough to keep our finger off the trigger forever...our memories are so short. i watched a show the other night with my son about that war, the mission and the aftermath.. his conclusion was simply, "it would be stupid to use a nuclear bomb on anyone!"

if you haven't heard of it look into unrestricted warfare...

I've been the one predicting a nuclear meltdown, especially if we don't get rid of these Neocon warmongering bastards. I realize the Dems aren't much better, but their less likely,IMO, to unleash the Bomb!

ViRedd · Jan 17, 2007

7xstall sez ...

"well, first of all i don't believe there is one "common" man in America. there are men with common expectations but no one is forced to be common here."

And THAT is exactly what those who hold Med's view of the world just doesn't get.

Vi

medicineman · Jan 17, 2007

ViRedd said:
7xstall sez ...

"well, first of all i don't believe there is one "common" man in America. there are men with common expectations but no one is forced to be common here."

And THAT is exactly what those who hold Med's view of the world just doesn't get.

Vi

Meds view of the world. I should write a book. There would be lots of pages with the words assholes and fucking assholes in it, with a few dickheads, cocksukers, and fucking Bastards thrown in for good measure. The fucking glass is less than half empty, it's barely got a few drops left in it! Common to me means a middle class tax paying hard working citizen, never having enough money to do more than feed his family and pay the rent. A person with dreams but the responsibilities have kept him just working to survive. You fucking plutocrats have no Idea how many people are struggling just to keep their ass off the streets. Life is a big fucking bowel of cherries and the glass is always full. Well, guess what, It's not like that in other neighborhoods, some people can't make the rent on time and are facing eviction. some people are losing their homes through foreclosings. There are people on the streets and more are ending up there every day. Thats Meds view of the world, Reality

ViRedd · Jan 17, 2007

Nope ... that's just "Stinkin' Thinkin'..."

"Common to me means a middle class tax paying hard working citizen, never having enough money to do more than feed his family and pay the rent. A person with dreams but the responsibilities have kept him just working to survive."

So, is the person described above the one who should be subsidized through government edict?

Vi

medicineman · Jan 17, 2007

ViRedd said:
Nope ... that's just "Stinkin' Thinkin'..."

"Common to me means a middle class tax paying hard working citizen, never having enough money to do more than feed his family and pay the rent. A person with dreams but the responsibilities have kept him just working to survive."

So, is the person described above the one who should be subsidized through government edict?

Vi

NO, just cut him some slack on taxation and go after the rich bastosi! If you make more, you pay more with a median real wage indexed to the economy and a starting tax on the first dollar over the median. Also cut off all these huge CEO salaries and stock options and bonuses that are a hundred timed the median income. How about a hundred K if he is the numero-uno CEO in the land and for the rest less. These hundred million dollar salaries are fricken ridiculuos, and that counts for rock stars, politicians, and movie stars,and sports heros! How much is enough, I've stated before, the fact you were born into this society gives you certain rights and priveleges, but also implies a contract with responsibilities towards the society as a whole, meaning Taxation, and that should be used for the common good, you figure out what that means to you, to me it means help the needy!

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