The "D" day pool, best guess as to when Trump is out

This far right idiocy has really set this country back decades. Same old shit. I seriously thought we had gotten past a lot of that. I was naive.
 
DIY-HP-LED said:
Primary season is over and if they are gonna do Donald, now would be a good time. I wouldn't be surprised if Mueller suddenly releases his obstruction of justice findings. Donald HAS to go down and quickly too, he's too dangerous and unstable, I'd be surprised to see him make it through summer and maybe not until then if he keeps going like he is. Hopefully not too many will die and the damage to the country will minimal before he's gone, directly to jail with no bail.
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You are suffering from the "reasonable man" theory of politics. It isn't valid right now, and I'm not sure it ever was.

The gop won't turn on trump until his base dwindles and his support is in the low 20's. That hasn't happened. GOP senators do love their jobs, and know that if they take any principled stand they will be primaried or out right defeated because the base gets pissed at them and doesn't turn out to vote for them.

Trumps support with the gop base is still where it was. It has neither improved nor degraded. It's stuck solidly in the high 30's overall, but among those still registered as republican, it is in the mid to high 80's. That implies a death sentence for any senator that votes to convict. Primaries are dominated by the base. Only registered republicans tend to vote in the R primaries, unless the D's are trying to ratfuck them for some reason. And their votes are absolutely crucial in the generals. And the crazies have long memories, easily re-angered by the next challenger.

The R senators simply won't do it. No matter how blatant the evidence. Even if there are audio or video tapes. Even if he stands on fifth avenue and admits it is all true. They simply won't vote "yes" on an impeachment vote to convict. They may abstain, but they won't vote aye.

Sorry, I love the optimistic view of their character, but it just isn't true.
 
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greg nr said:
You are suffering from the "reasonable man" theory of politics. It isn't valid right now, and I'm not sure it ever was.

The gop won't turn on trump until his base dwindles and his support is in the low 20's. That hasn't happened. GOP senators do love their jobs, and know that if they take any principled stand they will be primaried or out right defeated because the base gets pissed at them and doesn't turn out to vote for them.

Trumps support with the gop base is still where it was. It has neither improved nor degraded. It's stuck solidly in the high 30's overall, but among those still registered as republican, it is in the mid to high 80's. That implies a death sentence for any senator that votes to convict. Primaries are dominated by the base. Only registered republicans tend to vote in the R primaries, unless the D's are trying to ratfuck them for some reason. And their votes are absolutely crucial in the generals. And the crazies have long memories, easily re-angered by the next challenger.

The R senators simply won't do it. No matter how blatant the evidence. Even if there are audio or video tapes. Even if he stands on fifth avenue and admits it is all true. They simply won't vote "yes" on an impeachment vote to convict. They may abstain, but they won't vote aye.

Sorry, I love the optimistic view of their character, but it just isn't true.
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thanks for pointing out reality...
 
evangelicals will have to turn on trump for the R's to turn on him

and he is more popular with them than was bush, mccain or romney,.
 
All of the below is from the article posted at https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210681865#post8 - I don't know how you can compell a president to obey the constitution without removing him from office, which isn't happening. But, it's still rocks on our side of the scales of justice.

AT LAST. Some action on the Emoluments Clause
This has chapped my hide about Trump since before he was inaugurated. Senator Bluementhal to the rescue --

UNROLLED: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1002380514685140992.html

One week out from oral arguments in our case to compel the President to obey the Constitution of the United States. We’re seeking to hold President Trump accountable for violating the Foreign Emoluments Clause – the Constitution’s preeminent anti-corruption provision.

President Trump has repeatedly&flagrantly violated the Constitution’s Foreign Emoluments Clause. He has thumbed his nose at its plain text, and in doing so, thumbed his nose at the American people as well.

What is the Foreign Emoluments Clause? Before the President receives any gifts, payments, or benefits from foreign governments he must first receive the consent of Congress. Pretty simple, right? Not for this President.

Thanks to the work of investigative journalists, we already know that President Trump has benefited from foreign governments granting him&his businesses trademarks&overseas governments paying rent to Trump properties. What don’t we know?

President Trump calls his business dealings with foreign governments “little conflicts of interest.” But they have big implications for American policy&Americans’ trust in their government.
Mr. President, we’ll see you in court.


TWITTER THREAD:

Richard Blumenthal

✔@SenBlumenthal
12h
Replying to @SenBlumenthal
President Trump calls his business dealings with foreign governments “little conflicts of interest.” But they have big implications for American policy&Americans’ trust in their government.


Richard Blumenthal

✔@SenBlumenthal
https://twitter.com/SenBlumenthal/status/1002380522683879426

Mr. President, we’ll see you in court. https://www.theusconstitution.org/litigation/trump-and-foreign-emoluments-clause/ …

10:45 PM - May 31, 2018

Blumenthal, et al. v. Trump | Constitutional Accountability Center
The Foreign Emoluments Clause of the Constitution prohibits the President from accepting any benefits from foreign states unless he first obtains the consent of Congress. President Trump has never...

theusconstitution.org
 
greg nr said:
You are suffering from the "reasonable man" theory of politics. It isn't valid right now, and I'm not sure it ever was.

The gop won't turn on trump until his base dwindles and his support is in the low 20's. That hasn't happened. GOP senators do love their jobs, and know that if they take any principled stand they will be primaried or out right defeated because the base gets pissed at them and doesn't turn out to vote for them.

Trumps support with the gop base is still where it was. It has neither improved nor degraded. It's stuck solidly in the high 30's overall, but among those still registered as republican, it is in the mid to high 80's. That implies a death sentence for any senator that votes to convict. Primaries are dominated by the base. Only registered republicans tend to vote in the R primaries, unless the D's are trying to ratfuck them for some reason. And their votes are absolutely crucial in the generals. And the crazies have long memories, easily re-angered by the next challenger.

The R senators simply won't do it. No matter how blatant the evidence. Even if there are audio or video tapes. Even if he stands on fifth avenue and admits it is all true. They simply won't vote "yes" on an impeachment vote to convict. They may abstain, but they won't vote aye.

Sorry, I love the optimistic view of their character, but it just isn't true.
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I hope you are wrong, but feel you might be right. Now would be the perfect time to dispose of Donald, take the hit, cause the GOP brand is in the toilet with over 60% of the voting public. I figure the republicans are gonna get murdered at the polls, if the public gets to decide Trumps fate, the case will be made to them before the midterm election is over and it will be horrific for the GOP and Trump. You'll never convince the base, but the other 2/3 s of the country might want change, accountability, a constitutionally functional, responsible government and justice. Whatever happens to Trump in the meantime, I figure yer gonna have a landslide election, if not, we are fucked too. If the Democrats lost almost 60 seats in 2010 over trying to give folks health care, I imagine Donald will lose the GOP over a 100 seats

I see Donald put the steel and aluminum tariffs on his free trade partners, settlement time soon and Uncle Sam will owe a pile, we have a treaty and Donald won't be there forever. Sooner or later America will wake up and shake itself off, I figure Donald will give them a belly full of the great white hope bullshit and they will want normal back real bad.
 
Lowest unemployment in history today. Ya better brace for impact it's gonna be a long 6 more years. Oh by the way whatever happened to the Stormy Daniels. I thought I thought the porn star was supposed to get trump kicked out of office.....
 
Terps said:
Lowest unemployment in history today. Ya better brace for impact it's gonna be a long 6 more years. Oh by the way whatever happened to the Stormy Daniels. I thought I thought the porn star was supposed to get trump kicked out of office.....
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No it isn't.

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Strong hiring in May cuts unemployment rate to 18-year low
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/06/01/us-gains-223k-jobs-rate-falls-to-18-year-low-3-8-pct.html

Terps said:
On another wonderful note the left has wasted 17 million dollars of American taxpayer money so far on the special counsel.......
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You guys wasted $80 million looking into Clinton. How'd that go?
Independent probes of Clinton Administration cost nearly $80 million
http://edition.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/04/01/counsel.probe.costs/
 
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