The day America died...

Cali chronic

Well-Known Member
September 30, 2011 was the day America was assassinated.

Some of us have watched this day approach and have warned of its coming, only to be greeted with boos and hisses from "patriots" who have come to regard the US Constitution as a device that coddles criminals and terrorists and gets in the way of the President who needs to act to keep us safe.

In our book, The Tyranny of Good Intentions, Lawrence Stratton and I showed that long before 9/11 US law had ceased to be a shield of the people and had been turned into a weapon in the hands of the government. The event known as 9/11 was used to raise the executive branch above the law. As long as the President sanctions an illegal act, executive branch employees are no longer accountable to the law that prohibits the illegal act. On the president’s authority, the executive branch can violate US laws against spying on Americans without warrants, indefinite detention, and torture and suffer no consequences.
To read the entire article follow this link, I bet you will feel as helpless as I do...

http://lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts328.html
 

unohu69

Well-Known Member
these types of things go back so far, I dont think you can find a time when it didnt happen. People in power are always looking for ways to increase that power. And they tend to do whatever it takes to do that. All through out history the leadership has alway eventually diminished the people to nothing more than slaves. When the people wake up and realize that no one really has any power over them unless you give it to them, then real change will happen. No some of it wont be pretty, but what do you call what we have now? A utopia? Government is just another way of saying "better than you".....
 

dukeanthony

New Member
September 30, 2011 was the day America was assassinated.
Why do you support terrorists?
Why do you hate America?
Why do you wish to protect those who seek to destroy your homeland?
9/30/2011 wasnt the day America died.
Its just another day your a whiny anti american bitch
 

Cali chronic

Well-Known Member
Obama Repeals the 5th Amendment

by Bob Bauman
The Sovereign Investor

Recently by Bob Bauman: Ten Years Later… We’re Still Paying the Price




Rarely in my long life’s experience have two news items been published on the same day that demonstrated such palpable irony.

The two stories that appeared in The New York Times last Friday (Sept. 30) and when read together, they present a sharp incongruity and discordance that far exceeds the simple and evident intention of the words and actions recounted.

Due Process: 1945

Item #1: In a column entitled “The Nuremberg Scripts” Joe Nocera told how, in November 1945, six months after Nazi Germany’s surrender to the victorious Allies, a 24-year-old Army combat engineer named Harold Burson was handed a new assignment: daily reports on the Nuremberg trial of the top Nazis leaders for the American Armed Forces Radio Network. For the next five months, Burson was one of two soldiers who reported on the trial and produced a daily “script,” read over the air by the AFRN announcers.

Mr. Burson, who is 90 now, is the co-founder of Burson-Marsteller, one of the world’s largest public relations firms, says that every five years or so, he goes back and re-reads those old scripts, marveling at the remarkable experience he’d been afforded at such a young age.

Nocera says there was an aspect to Burson’s scripts he “…found quite endearing. They have an earnest, idealistic quality that reminds you just how full of hope America was after World War II.

“Though we had fought a brutal war, we were determined to act generously to the vanquished. That even applied to the Nazi brass who had committed reprehensible crimes against humanity. “G.I.’s have one stock question,” reads Burson’s very first 1945 script. “Why can’t we just take them out and shoot ’em? We know they’re guilty.”

Due Process: 2011

Item #2: In a “news analysis” in the same Times edition, Scott Shane reported: “The killing of Anwar al-Awlaki, an American citizen struck on Friday by a missile fired from a drone aircraft operated by his own government, instantly reignited a difficult debate over terrorism, civil liberties and the law.”

In a statement my former U.S. House of Representatives colleague, Rep. Ron Paul, said President Obama was “appointing himself judge, jury and executioner by presidential decree” and was acting outside “the Constitution or the rule of law” He added: “Awlaki was a U.S. citizen. Under our Constitution, American citizens, even those living abroad, must be charged with a crime before being sentenced.” He suggested the president could be impeached for the killing.

“In any way destroyed…”

The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, one of the most important protections in our Bill of Rights says in part: “No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury…nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law…”

The United States Supreme Court has held: ”It is now the settled doctrine of this Court that the Due Process Clause embodies a system of rights based on moral principles so deeply imbedded in the traditions and feelings of our people as to be deemed fundamental to a civilized society as conceived by our whole history. Due Process is that which comports with the deepest notions of what is fair and right and just.” Solesbee v. Balkcom, 339 U.S. 9, 16 (1950);’ Snyder v. Massachusetts, 291 U.S. 97, 105 (1934).

The concept of due process goes all the way back to Magna Carta, (1215) in which King John promised that ”[n]o free man shall be taken or imprisoned or disseized or exiled or in any way destroyed…except by the lawful judgment of his peers or by the law of the land.”

Evidence

Pressed to justify the constitutional law professor/president’s open defiance of the Fifth Amendment in ordering the murder of a U.S. citizen without trial, the White House press secretary refused to respond. As the Washington Post put it, “The administration officials refused to disclose the exact legal analysis used to authorize targeting Aulaqi, or how they considered any Fifth Amendment right to due process.”

Glen Greenwald said it: “That is the mindset of the U.S. Government and its followers expressed as vividly as can be: we can spy on, imprison, or even kill anyone we want – including citizens – without any due process or any evidence shown, simply because we will tell you they are Bad People, and you will trust us and believe us.”

Deeply Embedded Hypocrisy

A writer from Bangor, Maine commented: “…we target and kill an American citizen without trial. I’m not saying this man’s actions didn’t deserve punishment. But why even bother to pretend anymore? Why bother? Maybe with Obama’s latest drone kill we can let the hypocrisy go. But remember, Americans. Remotely-controlled drones can fly and kill over American cities just as easily as they can fly and kill over Yemen.”

Ask yourself this question: In the 66 years from the Nuremberg Trial 1945 to the White House 2011, what has happened to America’s belief in what the Supreme Court described as those “moral principles so deeply imbedded in the traditions and feelings of our people as to be deemed fundamental to a civilized society…”

The next time you hear what sounds like a small plane flying overhead, look up. If the president decides you are one of those Bad People, it might be the last thing you ever see.

Reprinted with permission from The Sovereign Investor.
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
what would you done about Anwar al-Awlaki?

either put up your solution or grow up and shut up
Umm lets see, capture him and bring him to trial? That's how we used to do it, and it fucking worked too. Now we just demonize them and then WHAMMO!! Blow em to bits. The great American Way!!! Propagandize it first so you get all the lemmings eating right from your hand, then once everyone is convinced, they won't make such a fuss when you try an end run around the US Constitution!!
 

ginjawarrior

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Umm lets see, capture him and bring him to trial? That's how we used to do it, and it fucking worked too. Now we just demonize them and then WHAMMO!! Blow em to bits. The great American Way!!! Propagandize it first so you get all the lemmings eating right from your hand, then once everyone is convinced, they won't make such a fuss when you try an end run around the US Constitution!!
you wanted the us to invade yemen?

another war?
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
so come on now how do you capture him in the heart of yemen? does the us have the same capablities to hand like they did with osama in pakistan?
Perhaps political means would be useful? Of course the current president has no experience in the matter so he should probably ask if Hillary's Husband would do it. Effective,
 

ginjawarrior

Well-Known Member
you hoping for hillary husband to appeal to the yemen authorities better nature?

sorry doesnt sound like a rock solid plan to me

edit dint he first send cruise missiles to yemem?
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
you hoping for hillary husband to appeal to the yemen authorities better nature?

sorry doesnt sound like a rock solid plan to me

edit dint he first send cruise missiles to yemem?
Just killing them without a trial or evidence or testimony is better? What if the missile kills 10 little children instead? Oh well?
 

ginjawarrior

Well-Known Member
Just killing them without a trial or evidence or testimony is better? What if the missile kills 10 little children instead? Oh well?
now i think there was plenty of evidence against Anwar al-Awlaki video evidence of his own making too are you trying to deny that?

the man was a threat to the us now either obama could have

started another war in yemen to *try* to capture him
left him alone to plan and commit another 911
or blown the fuck out of him with no american lives lost and not invading another country

now what would you have done instead?

and dont be so glaring pathetic as to try and invoke the "JUST THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN"
 
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