the first grow, trying to do it right

Seemed to have fixed the nutrient problems on 2 gray, as theres some good budding and new growth, and the leaves have began to uncurl a little

1 gray has some deficiency signs, so I gave her a full dose of flowering nutes (2 tsp/ gal).

My guess right now is that I am about 30 days from harvest
 

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TheDifferenceX

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Looks like you're going about this the right way, especially for your first time... I too battled the bottom leaves yellowing as well, although mine was due to using Miracle Grow Potting Soil... Is that what you're using??

It never spreaded.. always stayed w/ the bottom node or two... Eventually the leaves would yellow and fall off.. Just gave me another 1/2 inch or so to pack down some more soil to sturdy it up more... lol...

anyways.. keep up the hard work!
 
Looks like you're going about this the right way, especially for your first time... I too battled the bottom leaves yellowing as well, although mine was due to using Miracle Grow Potting Soil... Is that what you're using??

It never spreaded.. always stayed w/ the bottom node or two... Eventually the leaves would yellow and fall off.. Just gave me another 1/2 inch or so to pack down some more soil to sturdy it up more... lol...

anyways.. keep up the hard work!

Thanks man. Yeah, I think mine is from watering not often enough, need to do less quantity but in shorter intervals. I'm using Fox Farm soil
 

jimjim0928

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Hey dtown, Nice grow man, how long do you have lights on and off for. This could be the reason for your "small and seperate" growth. Also what is the flowering time for those. 45-55 days??
 
Hey dtown, Nice grow man, how long do you have lights on and off for. This could be the reason for your "small and seperate" growth. Also what is the flowering time for those. 45-55 days??
Dunno if I've said it before, but I'm on 20/4 light cycle. There is some consensus for this for autoflower strains, though some swear by 18/6. 12/12 will bud size // overall yield.

Yeah, 45-55 days after a 14-18 day seedling stage, which puts harvest right around the beginning of december
 

jimjim0928

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Try an 18/6 cycle, maybe they need more sleep. I have heard that 12/12 is no good. That will decrease your yield significantly.... Whatever you do, do it now cause december is right here...
 

Reiss

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Try an 18/6 cycle, maybe they need more sleep. I have heard that 12/12 is no good. That will decrease your yield significantly.... Whatever you do, do it now cause december is right here...
Had my Auto AK's on 20/4 start to finish. They turned out huge! (link in my sig)
Also grown Lowryder2 under 18/6, didn't get anywhere near the amount.
AK's are one of the biggest autos though.

I also always water large amounts every few days, or when the pots are light weight. They like to dry out between watering, allows them to take in some oxygen through their roots and seem to like a good soaking after.

Go wild and try 19/5

What size are those pots? Next grow, fill them right up, recommended minimum size for autos is about 6ltr (2US gallons)
 
I've been considering increasing daylight by 30 minutes on each side, to 19/5. but if 20/4 gives better results than 18/6, i would think 19/5 wouldn't be better than 20/4. I'm going to go ahead and stick with 20/4 is what I've resolved.

As for watering, I have tried watering to saturation and then letting them dry out all the way. Problem is, some of them (the smaller plants) take a really long time to dry out all the way, I don't think the roots are fully using the pot. The big plants will use it all tho.

These containers are 3 gallons if filled to the higher line (right above the wavy one)



As you can see, none of them are filled all the way to the 3 line. They were when I started, but the soil compressed with the first watering. Next time I'll over fill them a little. I would guess its at least 2.3-2.5 gals soil for each plant
 

Reiss

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2.3 -2.5 gals should be fine for autos.
I think something has been off throughout your grow, they seem stunted and the leaves look patchy.
Here were my 2 auto ak's & a lowryder2 at 34 days - (the smaller lowryder2 is the one at the front.

 
Yeah Reiss I dunno how you did it, but your AK's are beautiful. I think it has everything to do with me using CFLs for the first week and a half, and then later on some nutrient problems. Oh well, I'll still be (hopefully) getting phat nugs!!

Anyways, heres some more pics.

Also, 2 days ago I bought some Deuce Deuce by Humbolt Organics or something like that. Its 0-0-32 ... plenty of Potash! Should right the deficiency problems I'm having right now. I'm adding 1 tbsp per gallon to each plant, hopefully twice before I have to start flushing for harvest
 

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samstevens1

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Yeah Reiss I dunno how you did it, but your AK's are beautiful. I think it has everything to do with me using CFLs for the first week and a half, and then later on some nutrient problems. Oh well, I'll still be (hopefully) getting phat nugs!!

Anyways, heres some more pics.

Also, 2 days ago I bought some Deuce Deuce by Humbolt Organics or something like that. Its 0-0-32 ... plenty of Potash! Should right the deficiency problems I'm having right now. I'm adding 1 tbsp per gallon to each plant, hopefully twice before I have to start flushing for harvest
Hey guys how you been been a while since I checked up on your thread and first off this is your FIRST GROW, basically the mistakes you go through now if learned from will be avoided in the future. I too had an issue with nutes and I kinda saw you were going down the nute problem path and tried to advise you of it in an earlier post. What is the NPK of your flowering nutes and your foxfarm soil? Another thing to be aware of is nutrient buildup. As seen in reiss's pics your's should be developing at a better pace and I believe its too much fert. You have probably 4-5 weeks left in harvest.

Advice
Flush Heavily w/purified water(poland spring just not tap)for a week. Do not oversaturate with your pot size in comparrisson to your plants your roots need some rehibilation so water during this week when the pot is near complete dryness if possible stretch the watering so that you can uniformally water them(water them all and let sit about 3 days(4's pushin).After this week since you use nutes if possible get your hands on beastie blooms from fox farm they increase the bud size around weeks 4-6. Get your hands on azomite its is like centrum for your plants and its organic and this will add any macronutrients and vitamins your plant has been lacking it will increase your yeild guaranteed. I use it in a supersoil and in a watering mix (2tsps per gallon of purified water every other watering) I would begin using it as soon as possible and it isn't hard to find nor expensive. Lastly stray far away from pesticides of any kind they slow plant growth by weeks if applied incorrectly and most do not have the intentions or thoughts of how this will affect marijuana. Alternative to this remove all plants from pots in a dark area and wipe all growing related materials(pots, measuring cups, growbox/grow area)with one of those 99%germ and bacteria killing wipes found at any target/walmart. I personally have 3-4 ladybugs in my growbox and they are always searching under leaves for mites to eat so if you can get your hands on a few they are a natural pesticide in effect. I hope it isn't a disease because if it is it is within the plant and maybe too late. I hope you take from my post what you need to aid in your grow. Keep getting high and getting bye its ruff out there:bigjoint:

p.s. here is the link for the azomite look it up and make your own call
http://www.wheatgrasskits.com/azomite.htm
 
Hey guys how you been been a while since I checked up on your thread and first off this is your FIRST GROW, basically the mistakes you go through now if learned from will be avoided in the future. I too had an issue with nutes and I kinda saw you were going down the nute problem path and tried to advise you of it in an earlier post. What is the NPK of your flowering nutes and your foxfarm soil? Another thing to be aware of is nutrient buildup. As seen in reiss's pics your's should be developing at a better pace and I believe its too much fert. You have probably 4-5 weeks left in harvest.

Advice
Flush Heavily w/purified water(poland spring just not tap)for a week. Do not oversaturate with your pot size in comparrisson to your plants your roots need some rehibilation so water during this week when the pot is near complete dryness if possible stretch the watering so that you can uniformally water them(water them all and let sit about 3 days(4's pushin).After this week since you use nutes if possible get your hands on beastie blooms from fox farm they increase the bud size around weeks 4-6. Get your hands on azomite its is like centrum for your plants and its organic and this will add any macronutrients and vitamins your plant has been lacking it will increase your yeild guaranteed. I use it in a supersoil and in a watering mix (2tsps per gallon of purified water every other watering) I would begin using it as soon as possible and it isn't hard to find nor expensive. Lastly stray far away from pesticides of any kind they slow plant growth by weeks if applied incorrectly and most do not have the intentions or thoughts of how this will affect marijuana. Alternative to this remove all plants from pots in a dark area and wipe all growing related materials(pots, measuring cups, growbox/grow area)with one of those 99%germ and bacteria killing wipes found at any target/walmart. I personally have 3-4 ladybugs in my growbox and they are always searching under leaves for mites to eat so if you can get your hands on a few they are a natural pesticide in effect. I hope it isn't a disease because if it is it is within the plant and maybe too late. I hope you take from my post what you need to aid in your grow. Keep getting high and getting bye its ruff out there:bigjoint:

p.s. here is the link for the azomite look it up and make your own call
http://www.wheatgrasskits.com/azomite.htm

Thank you for the feedback. I'm planning on doing a flush this week, as they need it, then doing one final feeding, then a flush with a little molasses, then continue to flush every 3-4 days until harvest, at which time I'm going to leave them in the dark for 2 days then chop.

I'm not using any pesticides or anything of that nature. I'm also not going to be trying any other nutrients other than the fox farm and the potassium additive I'm using, at least for this first grow. I think I know where I've went wrong here and I'm going to try to fix these problems in my second grow, which I'll also create a journal for etc etc.

As is the buds are fattening in nicely, they've doubled in size in the past 4 days
 
Buds are fattening in, but they still have some room to grow (I hope!)

Did the final feeding 2 days ago, 1/2 strength. Gunna start flushing on friday.

The last plant pictured looks a little sad, but its developing some great buds lower down. A few of plants are also purpling up, its great!
 

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samstevens1

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Hey man hows it been, looks like your grow is wrapping up enjoyed every bit of it so far hope you do another because not alot of people detailed their grow like you did so be proud of yourself. Take a look at those fan leaves the reason the tips curled upwards is from overnuteing them. Your end result most likely will be a very harsh smoke(I don't wish this but don't beleive me read about it). To avoid this the measures you have to ensure you implement are correct drying and curing. With the amount of nutes in the soil despite all the last minute flushing you can muster it still will be harsh smoke. Go through some of subcool's threads to and pay close attention to the amber alert thread as well. Based on what I see you have a small margin of error to work with but the silver lining is the time you have to make sure you dry and cure it corectly. All the best to you and the remainder of your grow. Keep getting high and getting bye its ruff out there.
 

samstevens1

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I hope you have azomite for your next grow it would have done wonders probably an ounce or two more to this same grow.
 
I hope you have azomite for your next grow it would have done wonders probably an ounce or two more to this same grow.
I'm looking in to this and considering it, I will let you know.

As far as the buds being harsh, I'm giving them some nice good flushn, probably ~5 between when i started and when harvest. i've been using molasses with all the feedings + the flushes. Maybe this will detract from the harshness!

Speaking of molasses, I think it has been doing some sort of trick. Perhaps I'm not familiar enough with these plants, but i reached past one of the front ones and my arm brushed it, and the hairs stuck together. and all the nugs are nice and crystally.

Of course I will be properly drying and curing. Not doing that is a HUGE waste of time, you might as well not have even grown for all I care. I know the difference and I'm a strict advocate of properly dried/cured buds :leaf:

I read somewhere that yellowing of the leaves may also lead to a more mellow taste, depending on what the cause is.

I think, if the buds are harsh, then I over fertilized (which is highly possible that I got carried away); otherwise, if the buds are smooth, I didn't fertilize right. (i may test before and after curing, for objectivity). either way something is definitely off with my crop, and I want to fix it.

I will let you know how they taste as soon as i know :bigjoint:
 
I actually looked back at my old photos, and noticed something. Check it out:


Oct 16:





Oct 19 (look at bottom center plant):




On the 16th 3 gray was looking fine. Also on this day I dosed 1/2 veg nutes. The plants exploded in growth in this time, but this is also when the leaf curl started, and possibly when I stunted all of plants. Just a theory though, I still need to study the results more.
 

samstevens1

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Hey man how's it pulling? lol, can't wait till we can sit back skim through our journals enjoying the fruits of our labor. You have potential but I think based on your journal you believe nutes are the way to good bud and thats not the case. Without getting preachy bro do not nute anymore. Now your thinking well I flush often so whats the prob?We are soil growers meaning no matter how much we flush there will always be nutrient residue left in our mediums thats why we stop nuting 2-3 weeks before harvest. The molasses are used to replace the nutrients during these 2-3 final weeks not to be used with them. They are to give the plant energy and to use the remaining nutes in the soil so feeding while doing so is counter productive. I appreciate the rep I was a newbie and had a horrible harvest once so I know the feeling of is my bud good or not. Keep getting high and getting bye its ruff out there:bigjoint:
 
Hey man how's it pulling? lol, can't wait till we can sit back skim through our journals enjoying the fruits of our labor. You have potential but I think based on your journal you believe nutes are the way to good bud and thats not the case. Without getting preachy bro do not nute anymore. Now your thinking well I flush often so whats the prob?We are soil growers meaning no matter how much we flush there will always be nutrient residue left in our mediums thats why we stop nuting 2-3 weeks before harvest. The molasses are used to replace the nutrients during these 2-3 final weeks not to be used with them. They are to give the plant energy and to use the remaining nutes in the soil so feeding while doing so is counter productive. I appreciate the rep I was a newbie and had a horrible harvest once so I know the feeling of is my bud good or not. Keep getting high and getting bye its ruff out there:bigjoint:

I wouldn't say more nutes = more better. I think I over did it this time. The right amount of nutes = more better. And don't worry, I have stopped feeding them and am only doing flushes from here on out. This means there will be at least 3 weeks of flushing prior to harvest

I have heard that molasses can be used in all stages of growth, but makes the biggest impact during flowering, and even bigger during flushing. Feeding throughout the grow simply results in sweeter, sugarier buds (which i find likable)

Again, we'll see if this is harsh smoke or not. I think the biggest problem I'm going to have had with my nute problems is yield, not quality
 
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