The First LED Grow Box
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Return of the Spork
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You guys check out the newest High Times? In the feedback section there is some LED related info.
Basically an electrical engineer saying that LED's are the way of the future, just that the technology isn't there yet but will someday. Also that too many companies are just throwing LED's together and giving the technology a bad reputation because it is too early to be using the tech for growing.
Also another guy asking how to get a UFO to yield more than a 400watt light. Since there was an article on it I believe. The response was...
"In preliminary tests, we noticed that plants under a UFO seemed to be producing more resin than the control group, but we never said the lights produced more yield-quite the opposite, in fact."
So even a mag that has advertising interests still saying it like it is.
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Also some info in the back in the QA with Jorge. He pretty much says the same as the guy above, that the technoligy is still evolving and isn't quite as good yet, but supposedly he found a LED that delivers at www.ledsgrow.es some spanish company. Might be worth looking into if you intend to stick with LED's. I know when the time comes they do deliver I will go that route, but so much mula =(
Basically an electrical engineer saying that LED's are the way of the future, just that the technology isn't there yet but will someday. Also that too many companies are just throwing LED's together and giving the technology a bad reputation because it is too early to be using the tech for growing.
Also another guy asking how to get a UFO to yield more than a 400watt light. Since there was an article on it I believe. The response was...
"In preliminary tests, we noticed that plants under a UFO seemed to be producing more resin than the control group, but we never said the lights produced more yield-quite the opposite, in fact."
So even a mag that has advertising interests still saying it like it is.
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Also some info in the back in the QA with Jorge. He pretty much says the same as the guy above, that the technoligy is still evolving and isn't quite as good yet, but supposedly he found a LED that delivers at www.ledsgrow.es some spanish company. Might be worth looking into if you intend to stick with LED's. I know when the time comes they do deliver I will go that route, but so much mula =(
HollywoodRpi69
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Ok, of the Seven Pods; two had roots going right through the foam, three were bound up and two had grown right out of the pod root and all. With all of the troubled pods I sliced a vertical slot half way into the existing Horizontal one
then I placed the strand in proper position.
As far as the Box gos I'm gonna agree that There is no way the Leds can be the only light. The lights I got from my friends basement, about 6 bright sticks and I'll pick up a half Dozen CFL's from work, there's plenty of room will all go in. The Leds are staying of course, these new lights will be a little more than Supplemental but again its the Leds show, I havent read the HT article yet but that resin is the sign its working, by mixing the light I'm hopeing to get about 3 to 6 onces once a month with lots of crystal growth again just hoping
Btw the Aerogarden is used for the first stages because it does a great job taking the process from seed to Big "Ho Chi Min beard style" roots, the second chamber is for mothers and growing the clones the the right height, the first is the cloning area and the bottom is the co2 Strage area, aerogarden and the electric. But Again the aerogarden is just one part of the process
then I placed the strand in proper position.
As far as the Box gos I'm gonna agree that There is no way the Leds can be the only light. The lights I got from my friends basement, about 6 bright sticks and I'll pick up a half Dozen CFL's from work, there's plenty of room will all go in. The Leds are staying of course, these new lights will be a little more than Supplemental but again its the Leds show, I havent read the HT article yet but that resin is the sign its working, by mixing the light I'm hopeing to get about 3 to 6 onces once a month with lots of crystal growth again just hoping
Btw the Aerogarden is used for the first stages because it does a great job taking the process from seed to Big "Ho Chi Min beard style" roots, the second chamber is for mothers and growing the clones the the right height, the first is the cloning area and the bottom is the co2 Strage area, aerogarden and the electric. But Again the aerogarden is just one part of the process
mrbuzzsaw
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wow man thanks for clearing this up for me i had no idea . ill cancel my UFo order right now
mrbuzzsaw
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it is a well known fact that led sucks ass.
( someday it will be the way but not now!)
the grow shop i go to has one in a closet just to say they tested it but we all know it is overprices crap.
Who in the fuck would ever blow 500 on one of these?
there is little doubt at some point they will find a way to make this happen but it sure is hell is not now.
this subject has been gone over over and over and it allways results in the same results.
little tiny worthless buds with no yield and a fuck load of stretch.
for a light that puts out 400 watts of light someone needs to tell the plant that cuz it sure does not act like it to me.
as for the guy who tried to put me in my place?
i wont even bother with him. not even worth explaining Sarcasm to him..
mrbuzzsaw
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Thank god i have you here to spread your divine wisdom to me or i don't know what i would do!
thanks for setting me Strait
allow me to share a growing tip with you
if you add a pinch of Sarcasm and back off on the thick head your grow will improve.
lol the sarcasm is killin me ... yer great buzzsaw!!! will you supplement your LED with mini mag-lite flashlights too ?? .
and on a side note ... i am really glad to see that getting some killer weed is more important than your pride hollywood. i am really glad to see you supplement the LED with anything that will atleast get you some decent smoke.
and beleive me i am sure that one day LED lighting technology will get to a viable point and at that time you will be one of the guys that finds out first because you are keeping an eye on that technology. no shame in that i just dont want to see you waste time on LED until they improve to a point that they are as good atleast as Flouros. and maybe someday as good as HID while still saving dough on electricity.
that day isnt close tho still many many years off .
best luck on your grow and like i said i am really glad to see you will atleast get something for all your trouble
and on a side note ... i am really glad to see that getting some killer weed is more important than your pride hollywood. i am really glad to see you supplement the LED with anything that will atleast get you some decent smoke.
and beleive me i am sure that one day LED lighting technology will get to a viable point and at that time you will be one of the guys that finds out first because you are keeping an eye on that technology. no shame in that i just dont want to see you waste time on LED until they improve to a point that they are as good atleast as Flouros. and maybe someday as good as HID while still saving dough on electricity.
that day isnt close tho still many many years off .
best luck on your grow and like i said i am really glad to see you will atleast get something for all your trouble
mrbuzzsaw
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sorry man i could not help at least throwing some shit into the fan
as for led i was one of the first to get true uv led's i coned them out of a company that developed them they come with a warning that they can harm your eyes. not the fake as purple leds
so i have seen some cool shit but led is simply not there
now if you want to talk about potential for hps replacement then lets talk
Luxim labs
"Whats tiny as a pill and bright as the sun? A new light bulb by Luxim labs that could be the next generation of efficient light sources. This pill-sized bulb uses plasma converted from argon gas to shine brighter than a street lamp. Just to give you an idea, normal bulbs pump out 15 lumens per watt. The plasma pill shines at 140!"
this is something i want to see !
i have no idea on what its light spectrum is or what they can make it do but i like the idea.
http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/04/07/luxim-plasma-light-bulb/
mrbuzzsaw
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dont be a smart ass spork
you know i ordered those ufos! LOL
fuck that noise
i am hps all the fucking way.
by the way i like your cab setup really clean
AdickTed2gReeNs
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I didn't really make it through the entire thread but I kinda figured it out once I read the last page. To clear some things up, LED LIGHTING DOES WORK! Nasa has been testing hydroponics via no gravity in space using LED lighting, 9:1 color ration R/B. But now the benefit of using LED's is being able to use only the spectrum specifcally.. highest absorbtion occurs at 660 nm RED color, using LEDs, you can make an array with this color range alone. but that would not work correctly because you have to include a wider range of color spectrums to make LED's worth while. I am HIGHLY interested in the capabilities of LEDs.
Now I'm gonna get to some bad news about your purchase through ebay hollywood... Like I stated above, LEDs have been and are PROVEN to grow excellent quality anything, including buds, downside of LEDs over HPS is they are a little less dense as they would be with an HPS but the amount was so unoicable with a few tweaks of the LED arrays. The LED's used in that grow were class 2 LED's. The LED's that were used for the Ebay array were class 1 LED's. The required amount of the class 1 LED's are in the thousands to produce enough usable light and to be able to get the penetration needed. Class 2 LED's are HIGH HIGH bucks, the only reason HPS has the benefit over LEDs is because the cost. LEDs are still extremely new and new technology is rolling out for them on the daily basis. The array I wanted to construct for a 16 ft^2 area would have been 1800 finished, that was just for the light, not the grow. LEDS do work but if you want them to work, you have to be prepaired to fork out the bucks. The UFO does work, but not the most efficent LED out in the market. Pyrocon 100 works also, what both units are missing is the 660nm color mentioned above, if you get either system, I would suggest a supplment of 660nm LED's, 5w.. you would need 10-15 to make the supplment noticable but the bud's produced will be close to that of an HPS, but be ready to pay 25-30 a LED for the 660's. Ledengin are the only ones that I have found that are worth the money..
Now I'm gonna get to some bad news about your purchase through ebay hollywood... Like I stated above, LEDs have been and are PROVEN to grow excellent quality anything, including buds, downside of LEDs over HPS is they are a little less dense as they would be with an HPS but the amount was so unoicable with a few tweaks of the LED arrays. The LED's used in that grow were class 2 LED's. The LED's that were used for the Ebay array were class 1 LED's. The required amount of the class 1 LED's are in the thousands to produce enough usable light and to be able to get the penetration needed. Class 2 LED's are HIGH HIGH bucks, the only reason HPS has the benefit over LEDs is because the cost. LEDs are still extremely new and new technology is rolling out for them on the daily basis. The array I wanted to construct for a 16 ft^2 area would have been 1800 finished, that was just for the light, not the grow. LEDS do work but if you want them to work, you have to be prepaired to fork out the bucks. The UFO does work, but not the most efficent LED out in the market. Pyrocon 100 works also, what both units are missing is the 660nm color mentioned above, if you get either system, I would suggest a supplment of 660nm LED's, 5w.. you would need 10-15 to make the supplment noticable but the bud's produced will be close to that of an HPS, but be ready to pay 25-30 a LED for the 660's. Ledengin are the only ones that I have found that are worth the money..
i will assume NASA tested them because they can be powered via batteries?
this being the case that makes viable LED even more attractive. imagine if the technology of LEDs was available at a reasonable price that grew comparable buds to the HPS and on top of that could be powered by batteries charged by a solar panel.
man now we are talkin.
so as soon as someone shows a proven LED grow .. and no not NASA ... their budget is considerably higher than any of ours. then i will be onboard. until then i will keep usin my HID and pay the electric company their extorsion money for the bill
this being the case that makes viable LED even more attractive. imagine if the technology of LEDs was available at a reasonable price that grew comparable buds to the HPS and on top of that could be powered by batteries charged by a solar panel.
man now we are talkin.
so as soon as someone shows a proven LED grow .. and no not NASA ... their budget is considerably higher than any of ours. then i will be onboard. until then i will keep usin my HID and pay the electric company their extorsion money for the bill
AdickTed2gReeNs
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Want a proven grow and and billion page argument over LED's potential? Heres teh link. I smoked a blunt and read through it, I wanted to killed myself afterwards but I learned and shit load, I wanna do a LED grow so bad.. but I can't afford it.
here teh link: The perfect LED grow light - Cannabis.com Forums Message Boards - Medical Marijuana, Cannabis Club, Dispensary, News
Theres a pic of a bud under procyon 100 and 2 85w CFL's
I smoked a blunt and read through it, I wanted to killed myself afterwards but I learned and shit load, I wanna do a LED grow so bad.. but I can't afford it.here teh link: The perfect LED grow light - Cannabis.com Forums Message Boards - Medical Marijuana, Cannabis Club, Dispensary, News
Theres a pic of a bud under procyon 100 and 2 85w CFL's
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bouncy bob
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we are all interested in the potential for led's, if only to save our electric bills but the technology is just not there yet.....nasa gets all the good stuff years before we do. And nasa may have grown stuff with led's, but the key word is grow: No power to flower brother...fact
save your cash, and if you have bought the panels already go set yourself up a mobile disco cos they will be of more use if your tryin to grow some donkey d icks....
bouncy bob
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NO U DON'T....SAVE YOUR MONEY...READ THIS LINK...THIS DUDE TEST'S EVERY LED THAT HITS THE MARKET FOR THEIR LUMINOSCITY...WANTED TO BUILD MY OWN PANELS...YOU NEED 2,700 LED'S PER SQUARE FOOT TO ACHIEVE 7,000 LUMENS PER SQUARE FOOT...Technology is a changin tho...oooh philips have a LED in development to chuck out 60 lumens but if you had a few hundred together flux would cut that in half....flux, thats a different story....i'm thinkin the people that make those overpriced disco lights might not actually be factoring that...
LEDs with Punch!
My entire setup has been created from garage sales, check my pics....please people, save your money onall this overkill, tis a weed after all and wants to live regardless....
HollywoodRpi69
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Nice Link very dense w/ info Cheers!Want a proven grow and and billion page argument over LED's potential? Heres teh link.
here teh link: The perfect LED grow light - Cannabis.com Forums Message Boards - Medical Marijuana, Cannabis Club, Dispensary, News
Theres a pic of a bud under procyon 100 and 2 85w CFL's
HollywoodRpi69
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Oh! you really should, your missing some fun stuff! ABC Daytime has already called with offers
, bring Popcorn!ABC proudly presents ... an LED production starring HollywoodRpi69 as The KIngpin.
weekdays at 11:00 "As the GrowRoom Turns"
a soap opera for the jobless stoner with way too much money and just as much free time! you will be blown away by the popcorn produced.
rolling stone says "this a grow op to make even the most savvy grower cringe with fear"
people magazine hail this as a horror story not for the faint of heart!
pull up a chair ... grab your popcorn and a bonghit for an adventure you will not soon forget
lol sorry i couldnt help myself
weekdays at 11:00 "As the GrowRoom Turns"
a soap opera for the jobless stoner with way too much money and just as much free time! you will be blown away by the popcorn produced.
rolling stone says "this a grow op to make even the most savvy grower cringe with fear"
people magazine hail this as a horror story not for the faint of heart!
pull up a chair ... grab your popcorn and a bonghit for an adventure you will not soon forget
lol sorry i couldnt help myself
AdickTed2gReeNs
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I agree, NASA does have all the good stuff.. but there is technology that we do have at our disposal that will grow buds nicely..
It is a Fact there is no power to flower with EBAY arrays, but it is no fact that they cannot flower well with either a properly homemade LED array or a procyon, it has been proven that THEY CAN!, I've seen and smoked some buds grown under those UFO's. they had amazing quality and taste but def not gonna see me fork out 600 for a UFO or 1800 for a homemade array. Dude, next time, check out the link before you start saying LED's have no power to flower, there have been many tests done by people using 100% LED from seed to flower, perfect results.. the technology is there but the technology is still too expensive. btw, you are thinkin of soemthing else with your lumens, you would need thousands of the 1w 5-10mm LEDs like I mentioned in my previous post, ebay arrays do not work.
LED's that do work:
Luxeon III's - 7.50 us per LED, you would need 150 to light a 4x4 area
Luxeon K2's warm whites - 5 us per LED, need 75 to light 4x4 area
Ledengin 5w 660nm red - 25 us per LED, would replace Luxeon III's for better performance
the list can go on for the different colors..
Stop reading all the other useless ideas from people who have tried the ebay arrays and said LEDs are garbage, it gives a skewed view, if you want to go LED, you have to be prepaired to sink some serious cash and spend a lot of time on the construction...