Dr. Who
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Now how fucking long have I said this exact same thing? Did I not have that in my go to post, that gets reposted every time this same ole shit comes up?
Nice POST Mr. White!
The flush "myth"
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Now how fucking long have I said this exact same thing? Did I not have that in my go to post, that gets reposted every time this same ole shit comes up?
Nice POST Mr. White!
Dr. Who
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BINGO THAT!
Danny Dummkoph...
Magazines tote the flush line simply because their advertising practice requires it. How many advertisers would pull their ads if HT told the truth? Every fucking one that makes a "flush" product. Or, over half their ad income..
If you think magazines make money by selling them to you. Your partly wrong. The profit margin is in the advertising dollars spent in that magazine....First. Then comes distribution sales. Did you know that every magazine still sitting on shelves at the time the new issue comes in, is stripped of the title and sent back for a refund by the seller?
How often do you really get a complete article, that gives you actual usable information? HT deals in generalities. So do others... If they give me a piece on LED tec.....Where is the detail?
Skunk mag is no better, and "The REV's" soil mix is BS!
Yadda, yadda, yadda
Budley Doright
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I posted that article in another thread a couple weeks ago and its a great read but it still leaves (hehehe) open the possibility that flushing may have some unknown values ......."If the data comes back in favor of flushing, we know we have not considered all the variables, and we will set out in search of those." Really my whole issue with this "since Christ was a cowboy" debate is the whole "it's stupid" statements for either yay or nay.
Dr.Nick Riviera
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My statement was "if you think about it" that means, YOU have to think about how a plant functions and if you do, then flushing is just stupid.I even provided plant function pics. You want to nit pick it cause you don't want to think for yourself. sorry you need to be spoon fed every fact instead of doing your own thinking.
Budley Doright
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I'm discussing but if you don't want to partake then that's fine, I think I've actually been thinking quite a bit re the questions I ask.
Kingrow1
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Yer most mags seem really off with their grow info....
whitebb2727
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I don't get it. Cannabis grow forums are so full of myth.
A person would be better off reading basic horticulture books and sites.
Just like Dr. Who said, I bought the revs first book. I threw it in the garbage. Very little info and full of advertising more than anything.
Grow mags are the same. They cater to advertisers.
Another thing to remember is most nutrient companies feeding schedules are high. They have you over feed to sell more product. Then you have to flush the salt build up out.
I will say this though. I grow organic for a reason. I prefer it. I don't care how you grow it I can tell if synthetics were used. I have a sensitive palate.
I've had people tell me that on the molecular level there is no difference in synthetic and organic. Its the delivery mechanism that is different.
If they are the same why is that people agree with not flushing organic but say synthetics have to be flushed?
I also just don't get starving a plant at the end. It makes no sense to me.
I will clarify that I have smoked synthetic grown pot that was great. It does a good job if done correctly.
I prefer the taste of organic.
A person would be better off reading basic horticulture books and sites.
Just like Dr. Who said, I bought the revs first book. I threw it in the garbage. Very little info and full of advertising more than anything.
Grow mags are the same. They cater to advertisers.
Another thing to remember is most nutrient companies feeding schedules are high. They have you over feed to sell more product. Then you have to flush the salt build up out.
I will say this though. I grow organic for a reason. I prefer it. I don't care how you grow it I can tell if synthetics were used. I have a sensitive palate.
I've had people tell me that on the molecular level there is no difference in synthetic and organic. Its the delivery mechanism that is different.
If they are the same why is that people agree with not flushing organic but say synthetics have to be flushed?
I also just don't get starving a plant at the end. It makes no sense to me.
I will clarify that I have smoked synthetic grown pot that was great. It does a good job if done correctly.
I prefer the taste of organic.
ScaryHarry45
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@whitebb2727 Well said.
I really don't understand how some people (synthetic growers lol) can really even speak on this subject considering the lack of knowledge surrounding the soil food web. Once you understand how nature ,soil and plants REALLY work (not just feeding chelated nutrients) then you would realize how fucking stupid this whole argument is. Haven't even seen the word senescence mentioned once in this whole tread . So if any wants to actually get educated on the subject I suggest starting with Teaming With Microbes by Jeff Lowenfels . Its a really easy read , even you Mosanto type growers could prob figure it out. All this flushing stuff just sounds like FAKE NEWS! Until next time , I gotta go check my pH
I really don't understand how some people (synthetic growers lol) can really even speak on this subject considering the lack of knowledge surrounding the soil food web. Once you understand how nature ,soil and plants REALLY work (not just feeding chelated nutrients) then you would realize how fucking stupid this whole argument is. Haven't even seen the word senescence mentioned once in this whole tread . So if any wants to actually get educated on the subject I suggest starting with Teaming With Microbes by Jeff Lowenfels . Its a really easy read , even you Mosanto type growers could prob figure it out. All this flushing stuff just sounds like FAKE NEWS! Until next time , I gotta go check my pH
greg nr
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@whitebb2727 Well said.
I really don't understand how some people (synthetic growers lol) can really even speak on this subject considering the lack of knowledge surrounding the soil food web. Once you understand how nature ,soil and plants REALLY work (not just feeding chelated nutrients) then you would realize how fucking stupid this whole argument is. Haven't even seen the word senescence mentioned once in this whole tread . So if any wants to actually get educated on the subject I suggest starting with Teaming With Microbes by Jeff Lowenfels . Its a really easy read , even you Mosanto type growers could prob figure it out. All this flushing stuff just sounds like FAKE NEWS! Until next time , I gotta go check my pH
I thought that if your soil was in balance, you didn't have to check pH?
Flushing is good and mandatory .... for Toilets/Hygiene
For Dank Chronic its pure Bro Science .... no matter what self proclaimed expert says....
people cant tell the difference either between organic and synthetic...another Bro science claim
Good Genetics... and proper cure is what gives u fire ... the best weed from the 90's that had gnarly skunk terps and potent lethal highs that lasted 2x as long as todays strains...none of those growers had all the Bro Science info to confuse them
For Dank Chronic its pure Bro Science .... no matter what self proclaimed expert says....
people cant tell the difference either between organic and synthetic...another Bro science claim
Good Genetics... and proper cure is what gives u fire ... the best weed from the 90's that had gnarly skunk terps and potent lethal highs that lasted 2x as long as todays strains...none of those growers had all the Bro Science info to confuse them
Budley Doright
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There was just as much or more bro science back then. At least now these things can be discussed more and the myths in a lot of cases debunked and some not so much lol
dagwood45431
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Classy and dignified.
coreywebster
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Speaking of which, does anyone know how much it costs to send tissue samples to a lab and have them tested to end this argument? I mean that's an option in the USA isn't it?
dagwood45431
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And she, yours.
whitebb2727
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I have that book.@whitebb2727 Well said.
I really don't understand how some people (synthetic growers lol) can really even speak on this subject considering the lack of knowledge surrounding the soil food web. Once you understand how nature ,soil and plants REALLY work (not just feeding chelated nutrients) then you would realize how fucking stupid this whole argument is. Haven't even seen the word senescence mentioned once in this whole tread . So if any wants to actually get educated on the subject I suggest starting with Teaming With Microbes by Jeff Lowenfels . Its a really easy read , even you Mosanto type growers could prob figure it out. All this flushing stuff just sounds like FAKE NEWS! Until next time , I gotta go check my pH
There is a link to "Teaming with Nutients" pdf on this site somewhere. Free. Ill see if I can find it.
There is a third one too. "Teaming with Fungi" I think is the name.
Teaming with microbes is a good book to understand how it all works. It can be a dry read for some.
You don't. In a good soil as organic matter decays it produces ions that buffer ph.I thought that if your soil was in balance, you didn't have to check pH?
Sorry. I beg to differ. I can tell the difference.
Look into high brix levels for better smoke.
There are studies that say there is no difference. There are studies that say that organic crops are more nutritional.
Look into who funds the studies that say there is no difference in synthetic and organic.
Ill agree that great pot can be grown with synthetics. Organic is better in my opinion.
I have yet to smoke synthetic and not know. There are subtle differences.
Kingrow1
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@whitebb2727 Well said.
I really don't understand how some people (synthetic growers lol) can really even speak on this subject considering the lack of knowledge surrounding the soil food web. Once you understand how nature ,soil and plants REALLY work (not just feeding chelated nutrients) then you would realize how fucking stupid this whole argument is. Haven't even seen the word senescence mentioned once in this whole tread . So if any wants to actually get educated on the subject I suggest starting with Teaming With Microbes by Jeff Lowenfels . Its a really easy read , even you Mosanto type growers could prob figure it out. All this flushing stuff just sounds like FAKE NEWS! Until next time , I gotta go check my pH
Only mushroom Tek uses the word senescence, our clones and cells are not so short lived and enough that we talk in leaf budgets, sink/source etc etc.
Teaming with microbes is a weak book if your trying to give a good account of the actual science, this you would realise if you knew the exact science.
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Kingrow1
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