The leaf whirl

Came home to an abundance of leaf whirl, thin top leaves. No idea why this just started to happen. PH hasn't moved. Its even happening on my smaller plants. Kinda stumped. Coco and perlite, LED, light is 28" above 200w Optic COBB 2. Feeding the two bigger plants 700ppm, 5mls calmag, 6mls FF growbig per one gallon. Run off PPM of the big ladies is 640, I always water with good amount of run off. ph run off is what I put in 5.8-6.0 ( I use drops). Humidity will bounce from 53-67 RH, temps don't get past 79F. PPM meter is brand new just bought a new one. Fan is on pretty low blowing over the tops, extraction fan is on low as well. I just transplanted a few days ago into 1.5 gallon pots, roots were marvelous. 4 weeks of veg. No spots or signs of bugs.

This just started happening yesterday.

Turned the light down to 150w this morning. I’ll Leave it like that for a few days and see what happens. I Don’t think it’s the light being too close though.

Only thing I can think of is either PH problem or too much N? But as you can see the tips are great, which makes me leans torwards a PH issue. I just watered yesterday and PH was bang on going in and out.

Hopefully someone can jump in that has had this issue and corrected it. Not really worried but it has left me scratching my head a bit.

Genetics,some will say gg4 does this.whats your strain?
I think its normal,plant is growing so fast.you have everything right.

myke said:

Genetics,some will say gg4 does this.whats your strain?
I think its normal,plant is growing so fast.you have everything right.

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GG4 lol

yeah, except for the "swirl' i don't see anything wrong...unless you start to get badly deformed leaves, or patchy spots, i wouldn't worry about to too much.

@jtrizzy

GG4

Explains the starting Mg def..

GG4 is a Mg hog! Add some! I might lean to a Mg sulfate mix, made from Epsom Salts

4 TBL Epsom to 1/2 gallon of RO or bottled drinking water.
3/4 tsp of dark brown sugar - The carbs feed the soil bio's - keeps the soil alive and helps boost uptake

10 ml per gallon of feed....

Roger A. Shrubber said:

yeah, except for the "swirl' i don't see anything wrong...unless you start to get badly deformed leaves, or patchy spots, i wouldn't worry about to too much.

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Look again Roger

See the classic GG4 need for more Mg now?


Swirl......Don't want to say anything on that,,,yet.. If it get's worse or the leaves get "crinkly", and they stay real light colored, even if you up the N - Drop us another pic

the leaf deformation i've seen from MG deficiency has been more like "club" leaf than any swirling, are the two related? or is the swirl an unrelated thing.

Dr. Who said:

@jtrizzy

GG4

Explains the starting Mg def..

GG4 is a Mg hog! Add some! I might lean to a Mg sulfate mix, made from Epsom Salts

4 TBL Epsom to 1/2 gallon of RO or bottled drinking water.
3/4 tsp of dark brown sugar - The carbs feed the soil bio's - keeps the soil alive and helps boost uptake

10 ml per gallon of feed....

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So needs some epsom added for Mg boost? Can I still add my regular calmag and grow Nutes in the same feed when adding the Epsom salts?

Also how often am I going to be adding this epsom slurry?

Ok so I came home after work and they are much happier.
So here is where I think I messed up.

• I up potted from a .7gallon pot to a 1.5 gallon pot.
• I did NOT precharge my coco before hand.
• When I watered right after the transplant I gave it the regular dose of calmag (5mls) as if the NEW coco was already precharged, I forgot.
• The 5 mls of calmag is a maintenance dose to up keep the calmag; However it is NOT a charge or load up dose in no way. That was on Saturday, and started noticing deficiencies yesterday.
• I upped the calmag yesterday to 6mls (second watering since transplant) and they are looking a lot better tonight.

Looks like I need to make sure to preload the coco with calmag before hand OR double the dose when first transplanting to a pot size double the previous pot. I did not know GG4 was so mag heavy. Now I know. I am going to go grab some epsom salts as well to have on hand to perhaps precharge the coco. Still some swirls but I will up the calmag next watering tomorrow and just add some epsom with the feeding tomorrow to bring levels up. But as you can see the yellowing has almost all diminished and the swirling is a lot less. Thanks @Dr. Who for the insight, nice catch sir it had me stumped.

I am still sort of screwed though for other reasons lol. These two blew the fuck up, and I am going to run out of room if I do not flower shortly. I have maybe a week left before I pass the point of no return OR do a double scrog. I am waiting for the other two plants to reach the net. YES they will be much smaller compared to the bigger two but at least I will have a full canopy. I planted the smaller two WAY to far into these bigger ones, it was a stupid decision and I completely under estimated coco as this is my first run with it switching from soil. Next time I will veg shorter and pop 4 at the same time and should be good to go. Live and learn. If anyone doubts coco, your a fool lol, and I was that fool. I doubted it was that great and dreaded the amount of "work" but it really is not that bad. If you have NEVER tried coco and are a soil person, try it, you won't go back to soil.

Watering a scrog with little to no room under the net is a whole new fucking challenge I need to tackle. I ordered a small aquarium pump to pump the feed from a container to the pots lol. I cannot get in there with my hands much (small ass tent). The aquarium pump comes tomorrow so hopefully it will work. I than have to suck out runoff from the big saucer underneath with a shop vac to empty it, as I have no room to pull it out. I envy all of you with bigger tents. I wish I had the space for one.

I also have a gg4. When I first put into my rdwc I had problems. Yellowing like mad. Did the normal calmag and that only helped a little. Wasn’t till I doubled it up that it took off.
Many here say you’ll know u have the true strain when you get the twist. Little did I know it was a deficiency.
Mine like yours has exploded and is now taking up half my flower room. Clones root really easy and as said feed them the Ca and Mg and they’ll take off. They really like the scrogg as the inner growth is exsplosive as well.
good luck with her.

myke said:

I also have a gg4. When I first put into my rdwc I had problems. Yellowing like mad. Did the normal calmag and that only helped a little. Wasn’t till I doubled it up that it took off.
Many here say you’ll know u have the true strain when you get the twist. Little did I know it was a deficiency.
Mine like yours has exploded and is now taking up half my flower room. Clones root really easy and as said feed them the Ca and Mg and they’ll take off. They really like the scrogg as the inner growth is exsplosive as well.
good luck with her.

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Thanks brother. Ya they are gorgeous otherwise actually the best grow I have had yet to be honest. No problems up until now. The fact that those two now take almost 850 ppm to the face and don't even flinch is mind blowing. But I cannot get to over zealous with the nutes. I have been slowly tapering up. They have very very minor tip burn, the burn that you just know they are in the zone. Mag hogs for sure.

I’m at 1200 ppm. I get burn at 1400.but the Mg and Ca are probably 250 of that and my tap water is 170
Have you flowered one yet? I’m 30 days in on the first one

myke said:

I’m at 1200 ppm. I get burn at 1400.but the Mg and Ca are probably 250 of that and my tap water is 170
Have you flowered one yet? I’m 30 days in on the first one

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Nope not yet. I am transitioning to flower next week if the little ones are ready or not. Hows your flowering nutes been doing? Are you still adding a good amount of N as well?

Ya I did the same. I’ve been putting the smaller ones in as there ready. Some are a week later some are 3 weeks behind. Didn’t plan on it but they grow so well.

myke said:

Ya I did the same. I’ve been putting the smaller ones in as there ready. Some are a week later some are 3 weeks behind. Didn’t plan on it but they grow so well.

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Hows your flowering nutes been doing? Are you still adding a good amount of N as well?

I’m starting week 5 ,so far till now has been even NPK. Now I’ll go 5 ml pk to 3.5ml N. I’m in hydro so everything stays super green unless I drop the N. I’m kinda new to this as this is my 3 rd one since a 25 yr break

myke said:

I’m starting week 5 ,so far till now has been even NPK. Now I’ll go 5 ml pk to 3.5ml N. I’m in hydro so everything stays super green unless I drop the N. I’m kinda new to this as this is my 3 rd one since a 25 yr break

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I probably stick with VEG nutes for first few weeks of flower than slowly add more PK. But my nutes are FF so tiger bloom and grow big really, plus calmag. I will slowly replace 1 ml of grow big with 1 ml of tiger bloom until I am satisfied they are happy. I do have a PK booster on hand 15-15 but I don't think I will need that big of boost really.

I have boosters also,they hold my note pad down from the fan,lol.

myke said:

I have boosters also,they hold my note pad down from the fan,lol.

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Lmao. Ya was an impulse buy lol.