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DeSantis says he will fire special counsel Jack Smith on ‘day one’
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) said in a Thursday interview that, if elected president, he would fire special counsel Jack Smith, who brought two indictments against former President Trump, on “day one” of his hypothetical term in office.

DeSantis made the case for why he was the best candidate to win the GOP nomination in 2024 in a Fox News interview with Jason Chaffetz. After referencing Trump’s legal battles in the upcoming year, DeSantis said he would be able to keep focused on holding people accountable, including Smith.

“I think that a guy like me as the nominee will be able to keep the focus on Biden, keep the focus on the Democrats’ failures,” DeSantis said, “but then, more importantly, after you win the election, start holding these people accountable, who have weaponized the legal system to go after their political enemies.”

“And that starts with day one, firing somebody like Jack Smith. That goes to dealing with people who are violating constitutional rights at the state and local government area,” he added.

DeSantis’s remarks echo much of the sentiment in Trumps remarks, which often focus on the so-called “weaponization” of the Justice Department and holding accountable those responsible for some of Trump’s legal troubles. In pledging to fire Smith, DeSantis further aligns himself with some of Trump’s campaign promises.

Smith brought two cases against Trump — one for his efforts to derail the transfer of power and remain in office after losing the 2020 presidential election, and another for alleged willful retention of national security information and refusing to comply with requests to return the documents to the federal government. There is a slim chance that both cases will have concluded by the time voters head to the polls on election day next November.

No, Trump opened Pandora's Box.

DeSantis says Maine Trump decision ‘opens up Pandora’s box’
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis blasted the decision to keep former President Trump off the ballot in Maine in 2024 while urging Republicans to focus more on Democrats’ shortcomings rather than on Trump’s legal issues.

“The idea that one bureaucrat in an executive position can simply unilaterally disqualify someone from office, that turns on its head every notion of constitutional due process that this country has always abided by for over 200 years,” DeSantis said in a Thursday interview on Fox News with Jason Chaffetz.

“It opens up Pandora’s Box,” DeSantis added, suggesting Republican secretaries of state could then try to disqualify President Biden over the so-called “massive invasion” of migrants at the southern border.

DeSantis, a 2024 GOP candidate for president, said he thinks the Supreme Court will ultimately overturn the ruling. Still, he said, Trump’s legal troubles will remain a focus of much media coverage.

“I don’t think that this ultimately will be legally sustained by the US Supreme Court. But I do think that this is going to be a constant throughout the election year, where there’s going to be different parts of these legal cases that are going to be front and center,” DeSantis said.

“I think that we win when we hold Biden accountable and talk about the issues that matter to the American people,” DeSantis continued. “So I think the Democrats, they want the election to be about all these other issues. They do not want to face accountability for their failed policies.”

DeSantis responded to the Maine ruling shortly after news broke Thursday night. Maine Secretary of State Shenna Bellows ruled that Trump, the GOP frontrunner in the 2024 race, is ineligible to appear on the primary ballot in the state, citing the 14th Amendment’s “insurrection clause” and Trump’s role in the events leading up to and on Jan. 6, 2021.

Bellows, a Democrat, said she had concluded that Trump “over the course of several months and culminating on January 6, 2021, used a false narrative of election fraud to inflame his supporters and direct them to the Capitol to prevent certification of the 2020 election and the peaceful transfer of power.”

The decision made Maine the second state to take such action after Colorado’s Supreme Court ruled Trump was ineligible to appear on its primary ballot.

Of course DeSaster wants Smith gone. He’s exposed.

Hope this sinks her. So much for law and order, might as well give any president a free pass for insurrection. No longer talk about him? How will she shut up people? How will she shut him up?

Haley says she’d pardon Trump as president
Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley said on Thursday that, if elected president, she would pardon former President Trump, arguing it would be “in the best interest of the country.”

“I would pardon Trump,” Haley said at a campaign event, according to a video captured by NBC News.

“If he is found guilty, a leader needs to think about what’s in the best interest of the country,” Haley said. “What’s in the best interest of the country is not to have an 80-year-old man sitting in jail, that continues to divide our country.”

“What’s in the best interest of the country would be to pardon him, so that we can move on as a country and no longer talk about him,” she added.

Haley previously said she would be “inclined” to pardon the former president, also the GOP frontrunner in the presidential race in 2024, if he were convicted of a crime, and if she were elected president.

Haley has recently enjoyed a bump in her polling numbers, but still, former President Trump leads the pack of GOP candidates by more than 50 points. According to the Decision Desk HQ/The Hill national polling average of GOP primary polls, Trump has 63.1 percent support, Haley has 10.8 percent and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has 10.6 percent.

Trump faces four criminal cases, for a total of 91 criminal counts. Special counsel Jack Smith brought two federal indictments against Trump, for his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election and for alleged willful retention of national defense information. He faces additional charges in a New York case involving hush-money payments to an adult film star and a Georgia criminal RICO case related to efforts to overturn the 2020 election.

The reason it continues to divide the country is the Republican bucket brigade handing bucketsful of gasoline to the ostensible fighters of the great dumpster fire. Shame on you, Haley.

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Hope this sinks her. So much for law and order, might as well give any president a free pass for insurrection. No longer talk about him? How will she shut up people? How will she shut him up?

Haley says she’d pardon Trump as president
Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley said on Thursday that, if elected president, she would pardon former President Trump, arguing it would be “in the best interest of the country.”

“I would pardon Trump,” Haley said at a campaign event, according to a video captured by NBC News.

“If he is found guilty, a leader needs to think about what’s in the best interest of the country,” Haley said. “What’s in the best interest of the country is not to have an 80-year-old man sitting in jail, that continues to divide our country.”

“What’s in the best interest of the country would be to pardon him, so that we can move on as a country and no longer talk about him,” she added.

Haley previously said she would be “inclined” to pardon the former president, also the GOP frontrunner in the presidential race in 2024, if he were convicted of a crime, and if she were elected president.

Haley has recently enjoyed a bump in her polling numbers, but still, former President Trump leads the pack of GOP candidates by more than 50 points. According to the Decision Desk HQ/The Hill national polling average of GOP primary polls, Trump has 63.1 percent support, Haley has 10.8 percent and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has 10.6 percent.

Trump faces four criminal cases, for a total of 91 criminal counts. Special counsel Jack Smith brought two federal indictments against Trump, for his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election and for alleged willful retention of national defense information. He faces additional charges in a New York case involving hush-money payments to an adult film star and a Georgia criminal RICO case related to efforts to overturn the 2020 election.

Haley says she’d pardon Trump as president

Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley said on Thursday that, if elected president, she would pardon former President Trump, arguing it would be “in the best interest of the country.” “I wou…

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There she goes again, failing to listen to what historians say and instead cites the pap promoted on Fox News. There is a very good but maybe truthy quote that explains why Trump must be held accountable: “If Trump’s coup attempt goes unpunished, it will become a training exercise." (Doug Porter). It's so clear and concise that I can't help but mistrust it.

What does the history say about what happens to a democracy after the kind of self coup that Trump attempted?

Coup attempts usually usher in long stretches of democratic decline, data shows

note the date of this study was only 16 days after Trump's self coup attempt on Jan 6.



Changes in country-level democracy were dramatic after self-coup attempts. On average, the ten nations with decent democracies in the study dropped in ratings to the level of countries with horrid ratings, such as Kazakhstan and Iraq. (source) Does anybody reading this, Democrat, Republican, Independent, Green Party or otherwise want to live under a government like Iraq's?

An exception to this was Indonesia in 2001, when the military did not support the coup and the country's parliament voted to remove the then president from office and replaced him with the Vice-President. If we want to follow that example, we are half-way there. Our military's leaders did the right thing and supported the Constitution but our Congress did not/has not yet followed suit. Our freedom is still at risk. Trump and his co-conspirators must be permanently removed from power.

Hailey be damned. Trump's arrest and incarceration for the rest of his life is necessary to put this country back on the path of restoring the democracy he and his MAGA fascists have degraded.

Fogdog said:

There she goes again, failing to listen to what historians say and instead cites the pap promoted on Fox News. There is a very good but maybe truthy quote that explains why Trump must be held accountable: “If Trump’s coup attempt goes unpunished, it will become a training exercise." (Doug Porter). It's so clear and concise that I can't help but mistrust it.

What does the history say about what happens to a democracy after the kind of self coup that Trump attempted?

Coup attempts usually usher in long stretches of democratic decline, data shows

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/01/22/self-coup-next/

note the date of this study was only 16 days after Trump's self coup attempt on Jan 6.

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Changes in country-level democracy were dramatic after self-coup attempts. On average, the ten nations with decent democracies in the study dropped in ratings to the level of countries with horrid ratings, such as Kazakhstan and Iraq. (source) Does anybody reading this, Democrat, Republican, Independent, Green Party or otherwise want to live under a government like Iraq's?

An exception to this was Indonesia, where the military did not support the coup and the country's parliament voted to remove the then president from office and replaced him with the Vice-President. If we want to follow that example, we are half-way there. Our military's leaders did the right thing and supported the Constitution but our Congress did not/has not yet followed suit. Our freedom is still at risk. Trump and his co-conspirators must be permanently removed from power.

Hailey be damned. Trump's arrest and incarceration for the rest of his life is necessary to put this country back on the path of restoring the democracy he and his MAGA fascists have degraded.

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to the bolded: amen.

printer said:

Hope this sinks her. So much for law and order, might as well give any president a free pass for insurrection. No longer talk about him? How will she shut up people? How will she shut him up?

Haley says she’d pardon Trump as president
Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley said on Thursday that, if elected president, she would pardon former President Trump, arguing it would be “in the best interest of the country.”

“I would pardon Trump,” Haley said at a campaign event, according to a video captured by NBC News.

“If he is found guilty, a leader needs to think about what’s in the best interest of the country,” Haley said. “What’s in the best interest of the country is not to have an 80-year-old man sitting in jail, that continues to divide our country.”

“What’s in the best interest of the country would be to pardon him, so that we can move on as a country and no longer talk about him,” she added.

Haley previously said she would be “inclined” to pardon the former president, also the GOP frontrunner in the presidential race in 2024, if he were convicted of a crime, and if she were elected president.

Haley has recently enjoyed a bump in her polling numbers, but still, former President Trump leads the pack of GOP candidates by more than 50 points. According to the Decision Desk HQ/The Hill national polling average of GOP primary polls, Trump has 63.1 percent support, Haley has 10.8 percent and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has 10.6 percent.

Trump faces four criminal cases, for a total of 91 criminal counts. Special counsel Jack Smith brought two federal indictments against Trump, for his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election and for alleged willful retention of national defense information. He faces additional charges in a New York case involving hush-money payments to an adult film star and a Georgia criminal RICO case related to efforts to overturn the 2020 election.

Haley says she’d pardon Trump as president

Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley said on Thursday that, if elected president, she would pardon former President Trump, arguing it would be “in the best interest of the country.” “I wou…

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She stole from Gerald Ford.

topcat said:

She stole from Gerald Ford.

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Ford pardoned an ordinary scumbag. Haley promises bigger.

cannabineer said:

Ford pardoned an ordinary scumbag. Haley promises bigger.

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I meant the words like healing, move on, divisive, the best for the nation, put this behind us.

cannabineer said:

Ford pardoned an ordinary scumbag. Haley promises bigger.

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Nixon seems almost quaint compared to Trump. But that was a different time.

That was fast. Repugs are scrabbling like a kettleful of crabs on the fire.

cannabineer said:

That was fast. Repugs are scrabbling like a kettleful of crabs on the fire.

Maine secretary of state who opted to keep Trump off primary ballot is facing threat of impeachment

Maine's top election official could face an impeachment attempt in the state Legislature over her decision to keep former President Donald Trump off the primary ballot.

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Maine secretary of state latest victim of swatting spree
The home of Maine Secretary of State Shenna Bellows was swatted on Friday, making her the latest victim in a string of such incidents.

Bellows said she’s become the victim of a series of threats in the wake of her decision to remove former President Trump from the ballot under the 14th Amendment on Friday.

“We were not home yesterday when threats escalated, and our home address was posted online,” Bellows wrote in a Saturday Facebook post. “It was a good thing because our home was swatted last night. That’s when someone calls in a fake emergency to evoke a strong law enforcement response to scare the target. Swatting incidents have resulted in casualties, although thankfully, this one did not.”

Bellows condemned the behavior that she says is affecting her and her employees.

“This behavior is unacceptable. The non-stop threatening communications the people who work for me endured all day yesterday is unacceptable. It’s designed to scare not only me but also others into silence, to send a message,” she wrote.

Bellows is the latest in a string of politicians who have been targeted this week. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.), Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.) and Rep. Brandon Williams (R-N.Y.) were among those who were recent victims of the increasingly problematic trend.

“Last night, while at dinner with my wife, cowards ‘swatted’ my home in Naples,” Scott wrote in a post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, earlier this week. “These criminals wasted the time & resources of our law enforcement in a sick attempt to terrorize my family.”

Greene estimated the Christmas false emergency report was the eighth swatting occurrence at her home this year.

“I was just swatted. This is like the 8th time. On Christmas with my family here. My local police are the GREATEST and shouldn’t have to deal with this,” she said in a post on X, formerly known as Twitter.

GOP rep warns House has final say over election after states deem Trump ineligible for ballots
Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) issued a warning to states moving to keep former President Trump off the presidential ballot, saying the House of Representatives has the final say over whether electors from those states are certified on Jan. 6, 2025.

“Maine, Colorado, and other states that might try to bureaucratically deny ballot access to any Republican nominee should remember the U.S. House of Representatives is the ultimate arbiter of whether to certify electors from those states,” Massie posted Friday on X, formerly Twitter.

Billionaire Elon Musk, owner of X, replied to Massie’s tweet about certification: “Interesting.”

Trump was declared ineligible by Colorado’s Supreme Court last week and by Maine’s secretary of state on Thursday under the 14th Amendment’s insurrection clause, pointing to Trump’s denial of 2020 election results and actions leading up to a mob of his supporters attacking the Capitol building on Jan. 6, 2021, as it met to certify electors from each state.

That normally mundane certification procedure in January 2025, Massie suggested, could be the mechanism by which Congress tosses out electoral votes from Maine, Colorado and any other states where Trump is ultimately denied ballot access.

Massie has endorsed Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis in the GOP presidential primary, and in 2021 did not vote against certifying the election results from either Arizona or Pennsylvania after the mob attack.

He elaborated in a subsequent tweet that any move to toss electoral votes in 2025 would likely depend on whether Republicans keep control of the House, where they currently have a slim majority.

“That effort [in 2021] was doomed because Democrats controlled the House and Senate at that time. Republicans hold a slim majority in the House now. Whether we keep the majority remains to be seen,” Massie said.

The threshold for challenging electoral results on Jan. 6, 2025, however, will be higher than it was four years earlier. The Electoral Count Reform Act, passed in 2022, raises the threshold to object to results from any state from just one member from each chamber to a fifth of the members from each chamber.

Whether Trump is ultimately kept off any state ballots remains to be seen.

Trump’s campaign has pledged to file a legal challenge to the Maine Secretary of State’s decision to prevent it from taking effect. And in Colorado, the state Supreme Court stayed its decision to allow for review by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Maine’s decision in particular has drawn criticism even from Trump’s antagonists like Maine Sens. Angus King (I) and Susan Collins (R), both of whom voted to convict Trump in his post-Jan. 6 impeachment trial.

Other states have rejected similar challenges about Trump’s eligibility, with the Minnesota Supreme Court rejecting a 14th Amendment argument and a court in Michigan ruling that its secretary of state did not have the authority to determine Trump’s eligibility based on the 14th Amendment.

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GOP rep warns House has final say over election after states deem Trump ineligible for ballots
Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) issued a warning to states moving to keep former President Trump off the presidential ballot, saying the House of Representatives has the final say over whether electors from those states are certified on Jan. 6, 2025.

“Maine, Colorado, and other states that might try to bureaucratically deny ballot access to any Republican nominee should remember the U.S. House of Representatives is the ultimate arbiter of whether to certify electors from those states,” Massie posted Friday on X, formerly Twitter.

Billionaire Elon Musk, owner of X, replied to Massie’s tweet about certification: “Interesting.”

Trump was declared ineligible by Colorado’s Supreme Court last week and by Maine’s secretary of state on Thursday under the 14th Amendment’s insurrection clause, pointing to Trump’s denial of 2020 election results and actions leading up to a mob of his supporters attacking the Capitol building on Jan. 6, 2021, as it met to certify electors from each state.

That normally mundane certification procedure in January 2025, Massie suggested, could be the mechanism by which Congress tosses out electoral votes from Maine, Colorado and any other states where Trump is ultimately denied ballot access.

Massie has endorsed Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis in the GOP presidential primary, and in 2021 did not vote against certifying the election results from either Arizona or Pennsylvania after the mob attack.

He elaborated in a subsequent tweet that any move to toss electoral votes in 2025 would likely depend on whether Republicans keep control of the House, where they currently have a slim majority.

“That effort [in 2021] was doomed because Democrats controlled the House and Senate at that time. Republicans hold a slim majority in the House now. Whether we keep the majority remains to be seen,” Massie said.

The threshold for challenging electoral results on Jan. 6, 2025, however, will be higher than it was four years earlier. The Electoral Count Reform Act, passed in 2022, raises the threshold to object to results from any state from just one member from each chamber to a fifth of the members from each chamber.

Whether Trump is ultimately kept off any state ballots remains to be seen.

Trump’s campaign has pledged to file a legal challenge to the Maine Secretary of State’s decision to prevent it from taking effect. And in Colorado, the state Supreme Court stayed its decision to allow for review by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Maine’s decision in particular has drawn criticism even from Trump’s antagonists like Maine Sens. Angus King (I) and Susan Collins (R), both of whom voted to convict Trump in his post-Jan. 6 impeachment trial.

Other states have rejected similar challenges about Trump’s eligibility, with the Minnesota Supreme Court rejecting a 14th Amendment argument and a court in Michigan ruling that its secretary of state did not have the authority to determine Trump’s eligibility based on the 14th Amendment.

GOP rep warns House has final say over election after states deem Trump ineligible for ballots

Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) issued a warning to states moving to keep former President Trump off the presidential ballot, saying the House of Representatives has the final say over whether electors …

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Obstructionist aren't they all in the gop...

BudmanTX said:

Obstructionist aren't they all in the gop...

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Rep. cherry picking, STATES make their own calls on abortion rights but can't determine ballot eligibility for primaries? HYPOCRITICAL & CONTRADICTORY

printer said:

GOP rep warns House has final say over election after states deem Trump ineligible for ballots
Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) issued a warning to states moving to keep former President Trump off the presidential ballot, saying the House of Representatives has the final say over whether electors from those states are certified on Jan. 6, 2025.

“Maine, Colorado, and other states that might try to bureaucratically deny ballot access to any Republican nominee should remember the U.S. House of Representatives is the ultimate arbiter of whether to certify electors from those states,” Massie posted Friday on X, formerly Twitter.

Billionaire Elon Musk, owner of X, replied to Massie’s tweet about certification: “Interesting.”

Trump was declared ineligible by Colorado’s Supreme Court last week and by Maine’s secretary of state on Thursday under the 14th Amendment’s insurrection clause, pointing to Trump’s denial of 2020 election results and actions leading up to a mob of his supporters attacking the Capitol building on Jan. 6, 2021, as it met to certify electors from each state.

That normally mundane certification procedure in January 2025, Massie suggested, could be the mechanism by which Congress tosses out electoral votes from Maine, Colorado and any other states where Trump is ultimately denied ballot access.

Massie has endorsed Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis in the GOP presidential primary, and in 2021 did not vote against certifying the election results from either Arizona or Pennsylvania after the mob attack.

He elaborated in a subsequent tweet that any move to toss electoral votes in 2025 would likely depend on whether Republicans keep control of the House, where they currently have a slim majority.

“That effort [in 2021] was doomed because Democrats controlled the House and Senate at that time. Republicans hold a slim majority in the House now. Whether we keep the majority remains to be seen,” Massie said.

The threshold for challenging electoral results on Jan. 6, 2025, however, will be higher than it was four years earlier. The Electoral Count Reform Act, passed in 2022, raises the threshold to object to results from any state from just one member from each chamber to a fifth of the members from each chamber.

Whether Trump is ultimately kept off any state ballots remains to be seen.

Trump’s campaign has pledged to file a legal challenge to the Maine Secretary of State’s decision to prevent it from taking effect. And in Colorado, the state Supreme Court stayed its decision to allow for review by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Maine’s decision in particular has drawn criticism even from Trump’s antagonists like Maine Sens. Angus King (I) and Susan Collins (R), both of whom voted to convict Trump in his post-Jan. 6 impeachment trial.

Other states have rejected similar challenges about Trump’s eligibility, with the Minnesota Supreme Court rejecting a 14th Amendment argument and a court in Michigan ruling that its secretary of state did not have the authority to determine Trump’s eligibility based on the 14th Amendment.

GOP rep warns House has final say over election after states deem Trump ineligible for ballots

Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) issued a warning to states moving to keep former President Trump off the presidential ballot, saying the House of Representatives has the final say over whether electors …

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It seems to me that the SCOTUS has the final say in Trump's eligibility, though they might punt to the house, I doubt it. If the current house had that power they would disqualify Biden and allow Trump to run! They might rule that since a party nominee is not a public office Trump can run in the primaries, but not in the general election, which is a public office. That would screw the republicans because the base will nominate Trump, even while on trial and even if in jail or prison.

The constitution is clear, the conservative justices are originalists, the lower courts have ruled he is an insurrectionist and his trial over J6 in DC this spring or summer will prove this criminally. Gorsuch also ruled on a similar case and his opinion was cited in the cases that will be before the SCOTUS. If they don't disqualify him, they run the risk of him becoming POTUS while serving time in prison and on trial for multiple felonies. I can see Trump now being sworn in to faithfully uphold and execute the laws of the United States by Chief Justice Roberts in a federal prison cell. Trump's first order of business would be to get rid of the rule of law, that means the SCOTUS!

Trump will be disqualified from the general election IMO, it's the law and constitution plain and simple. Not just that, it averts a multiple constitutional crisis and a real and present danger to the republic. If they can ignore the 14th amendment, they can ignore the 2nd amendment and all the others. There is also plenty of period documentation on the 14th about the intentions of the framers (important to originalists) and it covers the actions of Trump.

It's becoming alarmingly evident that 2024 will be DEFINING,and political ads are going to have to be gloves off in documenting EVERY sordid detail of the Trump adm.. The chaos and ineptitude must be drilled home incessantly. The Sec. of State of Maine put it well in saying that this man has the GALL to run for Pres. again w/what he put on record,false claims to steal an election,inciting insurrection,disdain for democracy and peaceful transfer of power and that's one day of 4yrs. of turmoil.It's time for all prior living Presidents,Clinton,Bush,and Obama to speak out,maybe even in a commercial come election time. The bi-partisan nature would be compelling,and I know damn well the Bush's despise you know who,they didn't even want him at the funeral of G.H.W Bush even as he was the sitting Pres.The unwritten rule of prev. Presidents staying out of current politics can be flushed to join all the other norms now residing in the septic tank courtesy of you know who. The litigation prompted by those 4yrs. is unprecedented in our history and any decent human being possessing one iota of "love for country" would certainly recluse himself from running.I'm really not concerned w/this dickhead ,who is doing a fine job in portraying the ANTICHRIST,being incarcerated at his age, I just want him defeated and relegated to history's dustbin.The damage done is already incomparable and any/all actions short of law breaking to defeat him are in play,I hope all decent Americans are mobilized to the THREAT and resist being ambivalent or fatigued,those are one of his tried/trusted techniques. I and a majority of fellow Americans are dismayed that we are having to do this AGAIN,but WE HAVE TO,vote 2024 be resolute.

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It seems to me that the SCOTUS has the final say in Trump's eligibility, though they might punt to the house, I doubt it. If the current house had that power they would disqualify Biden and allow Trump to run! They might rule that since a party nominee is not a public office Trump can run in the primaries, but not in the general election, which is a public office. That would screw the republicans because the base will nominate Trump, even while on trial and even if in jail or prison.

The constitution is clear, the conservative justices are originalists, the lower courts have ruled he is an insurrectionist and his trial over J6 in DC this spring or summer will prove this criminally. Gorsuch also ruled on a similar case and his opinion was cited in the cases that will be before the SCOTUS. If they don't disqualify him, they run the risk of him becoming POTUS while serving time in prison and on trial for multiple felonies. I can see Trump now being sworn in to faithfully uphold and execute the laws of the United States by Chief Justice Roberts in a federal prison cell. Trump's first order of business would be to get rid of the rule of law, that means the SCOTUS!

Trump will be disqualified from the general election IMO, it's the law and constitution plain and simple. Not just that, it averts a multiple constitutional crisis and a real and present danger to the republic. If they can ignore the 14th amendment, they can ignore the 2nd amendment and all the others. There is also plenty of period documentation on the 14th about the intentions of the framers (important to originalists) and it covers the actions of Trump.

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GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN LED!!!

CCGNZ said:

It's becoming alarmingly evident that 2024 will be DEFINING,and political ads are going to have to be gloves off in documenting EVERY sordid detail of the Trump adm.. The chaos and ineptitude must be drilled home incessantly. The Sec. of State of Maine put it well in saying that this man has the GALL to run for Pres. again w/what he put on record,false claims to steal an election,inciting insurrection,disdain for democracy and peaceful transfer of power and that's one day of 4yrs. of turmoil.It's time for all prior living Presidents,Clinton,Bush,and Obama to speak out,maybe even in a commercial come election time. The bi-partisan nature would be compelling,and I know damn well the Bush's despise you know who,they didn't even want him at the funeral of G.H.W Bush even as he was the sitting Pres.The unwritten rule of prev. Presidents staying out of current politics can be flushed to join all the other norms now residing in the septic tank courtesy of you know who. The litigation prompted by those 4yrs. is unprecedented in our history and any decent human being possessing one iota of "love for country" would certainly recluse himself from running.I'm really not concerned w/this dickhead ,who is doing a fine job in portraying the ANTICHRIST,being incarcerated at his age, I just want him defeated and relegated to history's dustbin.The damage done is already incomparable and any/all actions short of law breaking to defeat him are in play,I hope all decent Americans are mobilized to the THREAT and resist being ambivalent or fatigued,those are one of his tried/trusted techniques. I and a majority of fellow Americans are dismayed that we are having to do this AGAIN,but WE HAVE TO,vote 2024 be resolute.

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Reading a bit of history shows that the old republic has been through worse than Trump and movements that support the likes of him go back to the Whiskey rebellion and no nothings right up to the American fascist movements before WW2. The KKK was a domestic terrorist organization that operated successfully for a hundred years, so domestic terrorism is not a new thing in America. Having one of your two political parties go off the deep end for fascism and turned into a cult of personality is though. It might worse if Trump actually had a personality instead of a collection of character flaws fueled by greed, grievance and malice. Fortunately, the republicans are led and under the total control of a desperate psychopathic moron who is getting to the end of his legal rope. He will end up destroying them on his way down, he will use them like toilet paper before he is flushed himself.

DIY-HP-LED said:

Reading a bit of history shows that the old republic has been through worse than Trump and movements that support the likes of him go back to the Whiskey rebellion and no nothings right up to the American fascist movements before WW2. The KKK was a domestic terrorist organization that operated successfully for a hundred years, so domestic terrorism is not a new thing in America. Having one of your two political parties go off the deep end for fascism and turned into a cult of personality is though. It might worse if Trump actually had a personality instead of a collection of character flaws fueled by greed, grievance and malice. Fortunately, the republicans are led and under the total control of a desperate psychopathic moron who is getting to the end of his legal rope. He will end up destroying them on his way down, he will use them like toilet paper before he is flushed himself.

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Good point,good to see your optimism back here,missed it in your absence,truth is the guy's a walking contradiction,he's not learned and is ignorant of history,and has the attention span to struggle w/a comic book,and is easily manipulated through flattery/on the other hand has been wiley enough to exploit digital tech. to forge a cult like following and fill his pockets.Don't think he or brand could have existed 25 yrs. ago.