The most over rated strains

i started off with Greenhouse seeds... they were cheap, they germinated, they grew buds, no hermies, and the plant finished.

the finished product did its job... in that respect, i have no qualms with it.. everything that i grew from GHSC finished... it was just never any knockout weed.. but for the prices that i paid, i cant complain

they get alot of hate on here for no reason... yes.. there are better choices.. there are always gonna be better choices..

The Chemist Brothers said:

so far- Super lemon haze, everything else has been about as good as i thought it would be, after it's first win at the htcc i thought it was a fluke, i then saw it win again???? so i got the seeds and grew them out, not much i can say about the strain, it smells like lemon, it can be pretty finicky and yields pretty good, no way is it a cc winner IMO, "what the fuck were the judges smoking?"

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My vote for "most overrated strain" is anything that's won a recent HT cannabis cup.

HT cup is mostly a marketing too for the magazine, and to a lesser extent a trade show for the cannabis industry, not in any way a legitimate contest to identify great strains.

Not only is the cup itself pretty much "for sale" to the seedhouse with the biggest budget for promotion, but the HT staff has more or less admitted such. That's the reason why there are two houses in particular that tend to dominate these cups. Its not because their genetics are the best, but rather because they know a cup title sells a *LOT* of seeds, and they promote their strains accordingly. Many of the better breeders won't even enter this contest, because they know they don't have a chance, regardless of the strain quality.

There have been all sorts of allegations over the year of vote-rigging and strain substitution, and bribery has even been documented.

Also, the categories are somewhat "arbitrary", eg. the strain "AK-47" has won cups as "best indica" (second place, 2003), "best sativa" (2nd place, 1999), and "best hybrid (third place, 2011). I wouldn't say its not a great strain, but really, if the indica and sativa, etc categories mean anything at all, how this this strain be a winner in all three?

So do you smoke all the cup winners? Or just have a beef with the event. It seems kinda presumptuous to call strains overrated if you haven't smoked them. Im not saying the cup is completely free of palm greasing..but I dont think every win is tainted. I saw an interview with scott from rare dankness who won best sativa, and he said that he had no expectations because he was new and didnt rent a booth or advertise (the method people claim gets you a win), and was surprised when his strain was called out.

Jogro said:

My vote for "most overrated strain" is anything that's won a recent HT cannabis cup.

HT cup is mostly a marketing too for the magazine, and to a lesser extent a trade show for the cannabis industry, not in any way a legitimate contest to identify great strains.

Not only is the cup itself pretty much "for sale" to the seedhouse with the biggest budget for promotion, but the HT staff has more or less admitted such. That's the reason why there are two houses in particular that tend to dominate these cups. Its not because their genetics are the best, but rather because they know a cup title sells a *LOT* of seeds, and they promote their strains accordingly. Many of the better breeders won't even enter this contest, because they know they don't have a chance, regardless of the strain quality.

There have been all sorts of allegations over the year of vote-rigging and strain substitution, and bribery has even been documented.

Also, the categories are somewhat "arbitrary", eg. the strain "AK-47" has won cups as "best indica" (second place, 2003), "best sativa" (2nd place, 1999), and "best hybrid (third place, 2011). I wouldn't say its not a great strain, but really, if the indica and sativa, etc categories mean anything at all, how this this strain be a winner in all three?

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BustinScales510 said:

So do you smoke all the cup winners? Or just have a beef with the event. It seems kinda presumptuous to call strains overrated if you haven't smoked them. Im not saying the cup is completely free of palm greasing..but I dont think every win is tainted. I saw an interview with scott from rare dankness who won best sativa, and he said that he had no expectations because he was new and didnt rent a booth or advertise (the method people claim gets you a win), and was surprised when his strain was called out.

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I couldn't agree more! Also, how would you explain award winning strains by Mandala, who keep costs low by not spending money on marketing (ahem, GHS), and pass those savings on to the customer instead. Now those *are* business practices I give a shit about.

Most overrated strain would have to be Purple Kush, and oddly enough the strongest was OG Kush. So I definitely wouldn't call OG hyped. Not a big fan of that type of stone unless it's bedtime though. I usually prefer a nice uplifting Sativa for the most part.

Im not saying the cup is completely free of palm greasing..but I dont think every win is tainted.

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You can't be half-pregnant. Either the contest is legitimate, or it isn't, right? If *some* of the wins are tainted, then doesn't that affect the ranking of every other strain in that given contest?

Again, the staff members from High Times, have themselves said that the houses that spend the most on promotion (including giving away free weed) heavily influence the contest in their favor. They said it in the 20th anniversary cup documentary from High Times (200, kind of shrugging it off, as "oh well, yeah, what do we care if some of the cups are bought and paid for". Unfortunately, its been a while since I've seen this, and I can't point you to the exact spot, but its in here, watch it and see for yourself, and you'll get some idea of what actually goes on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8o6C_Gkqz4

In 2003 Arjan Roskam of Greenhouse seeds had two cup wins reversed when he was caught red-handed bribing judges. In any other "competition" being caught bribing judges would be a lifetime ban, but in the HTCC, apparently, it doesn't matter because (quoting the organizer) the rules against bribery weren't clear. In the meantime, Arjan is let right back in to compete in 2004, and he's won a number of cups since then (and before). So does anyone believe that 2003 was the *only* year in which he bribed judges? That every OTHER of his 30+ cups were won legitimately, but JUST those two were because of bribery? The fact that the guy is even still allowed to compete says something pretty sleazy about the contest (let alone that he's won cups in 2008, 2009, 2010, etc).

Does this mean that every cup winner is crap? No, of course not. If you go down the list of winners from the last 20 years, and go through the names, plenty of them are great classic strains that have stood the test of time: Skunk, Northern lights, White Widow, AK-47, Blueberry, Bubblegum, White Rhino, Jack Herer, Super Silver Haze, are all past cup winners, that have become the equivalent of "household names" in the cannabis world.

I've heard Nico Escondido (who is in the video above) say recently that they've (ie he's) gone to great lengths to make the contests more objective (presumably in light of the widespread perception that the cup wasn't on the up and up) so I also think its plausible that in the last year or two things have improved a bit.

So to be clear, my issue here isn't that the cup winners are no good. In fact, the opposite is true, most are excellent. I'm just saying that the hype surrounding this particular contest outweighs its value in actually selecting the top strains (which is highly subjective anyway). A cup winner may be good, but its not necessarily the best thing around, let alone necessarily even better than other entrants in the contest it beat.

Plenty of top notch strains never get entered into this contest, and again, there are many top-level breeders who don't want to enter, figuring the expense and hassle isn't worth it, when they think they're not going to have a chance at winning.

Rhyzome said:

I couldn't agree more! Also, how would you explain award winning strains by Mandala, who keep costs low by not spending money on marketing (ahem, GHS), and pass those savings on to the customer instead. Now those *are* business practices I give a shit about.

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I was talking specifically about the High Times Cannabis Cup in Amsterdam.

Did Mandala win any of those?

If so, I'm not aware of it.

Which of their strains have won awards, which awards, and when?

Note that HT doesn't have a monopoly on "cannabis contests". Not only are there plenty of other outfits that have jumped on the bandwagon, but now even High Times is having contests all over the place, including within the USA. That's the topic of a whole other thread, but with changes in the law in Holland, the days of Dutch HTCCs may soon be over, and I think HT magazine has cleverly hedged its bets with "medical" cannabis cups in the USA.

My mistake. High Times rated Satori and Hashberry "strain of the year", but they never won a cup. Either way, it's nice to have contests to expose up and coming breeders (despite the controversies). I would hope any self respecting ganja-head would be judging based on their passion for Cannabis, rather than greed. But obviously this isn't a perfect world. Funny thing is; the best smoke is probably being grown by some toothless old fart, in some remote area near the equator somewhere...

Who the fuck is htcc?
Spannabis holds alot more clout in my book

c99 is over rated....ap 13 is over rated... anytime u shorten the flowering time on a haze u lose in potency.

15yearsofbreeding said:

c99 is over rated....ap 13 is over rated... anytime u shorten the flowering time on a haze u lose in potency.

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rofl.... who told you this? nevilles haze is not as potent as super silver haze.... your arguement destroyed. also, flowering time has nothing to do with potency if you are IBL to a female(in c99's case) that has high potency, that way- the offspring all possess the potency of the mom and males used to bx, so if you start with excellent genetics and then begin inbreeding----you will end up with dank. i doubt your breeding skills or knowledge compare to bros. grim, but you seem to like shitting on others work to big yourself up. you make hazey grapes look like a fucking saint, and he's almost criminal with his bullshit cut/pastes.


Shitty selection and bad breeding leads to weaker offspring... kinda like what made you

Omgwtfbbq Indicaman said:

rofl.... who told you this? nevilles haze is not as potent as super silver haze.... your arguement destroyed. also, flowering time has nothing to do with potency if you are IBL to a female(in c99's case) that has high potency, that way- the offspring all possess the potency of the mom and males used to bx, so if you start with excellent genetics and then begin inbreeding----you will end up with dank. i doubt your breeding skills or knowledge compare to bros. grim, but you seem to like shitting on others work to big yourself up. you make hazey grapes look like a fucking saint, and he's almost criminal with his bullshit cut/pastes.

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nevilles haze is stronger than super silver haze....a good haze high makes ur heart race like a race car. with c99 and ap13 u lose that heart racing high. the high is similar to a haze but not all the way haze. something about cannabis when u go for yield something is lost. something u need to know about breeding cannabis. even with skunk's u see now all these bland ass sweet skunks now because all these breeders when after yield. c99 isnt 100 percent jack herer nor is ap13. so get ur facts right before opening ur pie hole.

super silver haze is for growers and a neville's haze and mango haze is for smokers

have you smoked nevilles haze? it isnt crazy potent, its basically a stable mixture of landrace sativa's while super silver haze is a hybrid made for potency- pure and simple it all relies on what the breeder had in mind, and what the offspring produce. 100% sativa's aren't the most potent by virtue because they flower the longest, that is a missconception, as landraces are more hempy and herm prone compared to super hybrids people produce today pumping out 20-30% thc/thcv while you will be lucky VERY lucky if you get a nevilles haze to get past 13% thc content. if you compare cannabinoid %'s (raw data) landraces sati's have the lowest cbn and cbd levels, therefore a cleaner/pure effect but if you compare that landrace to SSH or even Jack herer for example, the added cbd or thcv will give most people a more powerful and varied effect.

perfect time for this thread to get bumped i just posted this in the experience with sannies seeds thread

all i know is killing fields is the most overrated strain ive ever grown. it was a very week high and everybody was complaining about it. i cant believe how many people rave about that strain. after months of time wasted il never order from sannies again. 22% thc my ass. dont believe the hype people, i think sannie is breeding for mostly taste and yield and dont care about potency like us americans do. remember where you heard it first

i straight up grew out 60 seeds of the f2's and had a huge amount of phenos. none of them were impressive. there was 3 main ones the dark purple one thats grapey perfume, the one that starts out purple but ends up being green when dried that had the jack smell, and the green pheno that was straight jack. do you consider blubonic to be a great high potency strain? the blubonic i grow was so much more potent than killing fields. on top of that the chemdog double d was much more potent than the blubonic lol. so you can just picture where killing fields stands in the scheme of things. the funny thing is the looks of kf was so much better than anything else it looked insane. ive never had weed that looked so good but had barely any potency it seems like sannie was just looking at yield, taste, and looks and nothing else. i will admit though the taste was bomb

I didn't read the entire thread, but I got to where you guys were talking about white widows. What is the consensus on G13 Labs White Widow? Been seriously thinking about giving it a shot, looks frosty as fuck.

Omgwtfbbq Indicaman said:

have you smoked nevilles haze? it isnt crazy potent, its basically a stable mixture of landrace sativa's while super silver haze is a hybrid made for potency- pure and simple it all relies on what the breeder had in mind, and what the offspring produce. 100% sativa's aren't the most potent by virtue because they flower the longest, that is a missconception, as landraces are more hempy and herm prone compared to super hybrids people produce today pumping out 20-30% thc/thcv while you will be lucky VERY lucky if you get a nevilles haze to get past 13% thc content. if you compare cannabinoid %'s (raw data) landraces sati's have the lowest cbn and cbd levels, therefore a cleaner/pure effect but if you compare that landrace to SSH or even Jack herer for example, the added cbd or thcv will give most people a more powerful and varied effect.

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Neville's Haze is like the original Haze. Lots of selection required. You might not find what you're looking for in a pack. Probably will in 2 packs. A lot of comments on it on MNS forums. If you find the one, it is unbelievable.

There are pure sativa landraces that produce mostly CBD. Different regions, different expressions. There's tremendous diversity in the cannabis gene pool.

Malevolence said:

I didn't read the entire thread, but I got to where you guys were talking about white widows. What is the consensus on G13 Labs White Widow? Been seriously thinking about giving it a shot, looks frosty as fuck.

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I'd get Black Widow from MNS as it's the only legit 100% verified Widow, same as when it won all those cups.

I've seen ridiculous phenotypes from his BW seeds, there's even a thread with an unbelievable picture started by another member in this section earlier today.

papaya is under rated. a few years ago everyone was raving about auto flowering plants... but they were Mostly just pot plants with really low yield XD

lowriders yield low per plant, but if you put them in a sea of green with enough of them, you can get a nice yield quickly. i would have had a lot more bud last winter if i filled my space up with nothing but the masterkush lowriders i was testing for fun. they were finished in just 60 days from seed.

lowriders are also very good for small stealth grows like cabinets.

Anything grown to a deep purple color, so not really a specific strain as a lot of strains can be made purple. Nice smell and taste but the potency is very lacking. Also still pondering Deadhead OG, was talked into it at the dispense but they Hermie on me which seems to be a real problem with CC strains. most under rated strain Ive smoked was a strain i got a harborside some time ago called Cerebral, best sativa high I have ever had but I just cant find it anywhere now.