The Plant, The Creator & Some Aliens??

AlaskanGrown84 said:

Okay, I had this in another thread but got no attention. I just want to hear what others might think of my thoughts
I think it's kinda crazy, but something that def stirs my mind.

This is the ish right here:
GEN 1:26 And God said, let us make man in our image, after our likeness.

That tells me that God was not alone. Who is "us" and "our" that share a likeness with God?
GEN 1:29 And God said, behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all earth.

There is his permission. Followed by his satisfaction;
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.

Haha yes, it is very good!

Now, I have been agnostic for years; how can there be a God, when evolution is somewhat (still some unknowns) more solid and viable? That has been my debate.

These days, though, I have been contemplating a different theory. It supports other theories, that pot, is an alien plant. It is after all the only plant that physically shows its sex. Haha and somehow, God and evolution might fit into the same story...

God was/is an alien and he gifted our planet with an out-of-this-world herb; Mary Jane... that is, if he did/does exist.

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Man you really really need to look into the annunaki, its up your alley and completely goes on the gods/alien theory.. Btw there are oodle's more info on biblical text references that corilate to the ancient astronaut theory.

Tyrannabudz said:

Okay check this one out.
Let us look at the story of Moses and the burning bush. We all know the story so I'll get right to it. What if this story like so many others in the bible is more of a metaphor than to be taken literally. Perhaps that is what they called Cannabis in those days. Maybe it was the plant from which they would harvest flowers from and after drying would smoke them, hence the name burning bush. What other plant on earth is there that you can take and smoke without some sort of altering process. None that I know of. I can only think of one, tobacco.
They called it burning bush because thats what they did with it they burned it and after inhaling some of the aromatic smoke were enlightened. We all know how cannabis expands our thought and makes us analyze everything. Just a thought thta came to me one night.

As far as the alien creation thing, that is a very compelling and interesting subject. Check out some of Zacharia Sitchin's work on that subject. he has apparently translated ancient sumerian cunieform tablets that claim we were created by an alien but human in species characteristics race called the Anunnaki. As a slave race.

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Damn you beat me to it, ive been reading up on the annunaki for 4 or so years now, very very interesting stuff!

Ever read the way chronicles? (click on each blue chapter link to get all the info) I think this is from someone who received a "channeling" but never the less it is very interesting and goes hand in hand with alot of zacharia sitchin's teachings

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/theway/TheWay00.htm

Michael Phelps said:

Man you really really need to look into the annunaki, its up your alley and completely goes on the gods/alien theory.. Btw there are oodle's more info on biblical text references that corilate to the ancient astronaut theory.

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Did you ever take into consideration the reason there seems to be biblical references to support some of these theories is because God is the creator. I mean think about it they just want to choose the aliens as creator because they don't like the implications of the other.

crackerboy said:

Did you ever take into consideration the reason there seems to be biblical references to support some of these theories is because God is the creator. I mean think about it they just want to choose the aliens as creator because they don't like the implications of the other.

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I think it may not be because of the dislike of implications, of the other. I am agnostic and a person of reason, so I find it hard to believe in God without evidence. It may sound crazy to some, but I find it easier to understand such theories as it seems to have more plausible support and possibilities. Many many many cultures have their own beliefs on creation that have been around for a looong time. Yet, many of these cultures have different beliefs all-together. For the most part, they may all be on the right track, for what knowledge was available to them, but there is alot to be learned and alot that people yearn to know.

Christianity, IMO, does not have it quite right. For one, the only reason it is such a popular religion is because of white men, mainly greedy and sometimes ruthless (Christopher Columbus, for example) killing or enslaving tons of people (in the name of God, Queen and country! pfft) and basically murdering a cultures own belief system, converting or forcing people to believe in Christianity. Of course that excludes missionaries.

Who knows who is right or who is wrong?? You can't, really. I can't even say christianity is wrong, but I don't agree with most of it.

I do, however, have a higher power that I fully believe in, love and trust and I recieve love, trust, strength and support back, 100% never fail and I can prove the existance of such and there can never be anything to replace it, it is the greatest, most reliable love of all.
My family

Thanks for the link Phelps
Sounds reasonable already: "Those of the Way do not enforce truth upon one another, We help each other find it."
Oh my goodness, conception every 28 days (oh, I see- that's for the Annunaki)?? Hmmm The Way 7- religion was created to keep slaves (earth humans) bound to ANK...
K, i got stuff to do so I gotta check it out again later.

Why does evolution have to disprove God. I don't comprehend why science and religion cannot be intertwined together. Plus, I wouldn't put much trust in what you read out of the Bible.. remember it was created by man, not God. I personally don't have a religion.. all they are is labels, and labels lead to trouble. Pretty much all religions are based on the same thing, an all powerful being. Why not just have your own opinions/beliefs and let everyone else have theirs instead of labeling and grouping up together... just leads to discrimination against others beliefs/opinions and usually violence. Religions are one of the worst things that exist on this planet, in my humble opinion that is.

Smokey, I couldn't agree more!

smokey2117 said:

Why does evolution have to disprove God. I don't comprehend why science and religion cannot be intertwined together. Plus, I wouldn't put much trust in what you read out of the Bible.. remember it was created by man, not God. I personally don't have a religion.. all they are is labels, and labels lead to trouble. Pretty much all religions are based on the same thing, an all powerful being. Why not just have your own opinions/beliefs and let everyone else have theirs instead of labeling and grouping up together... just leads to discrimination against others beliefs/opinions and usually violence. Religions are one of the worst things that exist on this planet, in my humble opinion that is.

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Evolution doesn't disprove god. It does disprove a literal interpretation of the bible's creation myth which is what the fundies are upset about. Most of Christiandom gets along just fine without believing in a literal Garden of Eden and talking snakes. It's the vocal minority that attempts to be the face of Christianity.

mindphuk said:

Evolution doesn't disprove god. It does disprove a literal interpretation of the bible's creation myth which is what the fundies are upset about. Most of Christiandom gets along just fine without believing in a literal Garden of Eden and talking snakes. It's the vocal minority that attempts to be the face of Christianity.

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Bravo...untinged logic...nice

Namaste'

crackerboy said:

Did you ever take into consideration the reason there seems to be biblical references to support some of these theories is because God is the creator. I mean think about it they just want to choose the aliens as creator because they don't like the implications of the other.

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Well i do believe in god crackerboy, im unsure on if god is a physical being or just a force.. I dont believe though that our biblical references refer to the god most think, i believe they refer to the creator gods, the one's that seeded the planets.

As far as the Annunaki goes, i dont think they were our creator's per say, but i do think they helped push our evolutionary process, essentially took us from homoerectus to homosapien, it would truly explain why the missing link. In my opinion though i really dont think it changes that much, when read up on the Daughters Of Ma and the messiah projects it essentially talk's about how all they want us to do is love, and experience life etc, it talk's about how jesus/buddha/Mohamed wernt put here to teach us how to be god like, but how to be true humans...

Like i said alot would consider it blasphemes i consider it logical, ive been to many christian church's exploring the belief system and overall this just makes more sense, when you put religion and science together you get cosmology and thats truly what i believe in.

Michael Phelps said:

Well i do believe in god crackerboy, im unsure on if god is a physical being or just a force.. I dont believe though that our biblical references refer to the god most think, i believe they refer to the creator gods, the one's that seeded the planets.

As far as the Annunaki goes, i dont think they were our creator's per say, but i do think they helped push our evolutionary process, essentially took us from homoerectus to homosapien, it would truly explain why the missing link. In my opinion though i really dont think it changes that much, when read up on the Daughters Of Ma and the messiah projects it essentially talk's about how all they want us to do is love, and experience life etc, it talk's about how jesus/buddha/Mohamed wernt put here to teach us how to be god like, but how to be true humans...

Like i said alot would consider it blasphemes i consider it logical, ive been to many christian church's exploring the belief system and overall this just makes more sense, when you put religion and science together you get cosmology and thats truly what i believe in.

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Why H. erectus? Are you sure they didn't interfere earlier in human evolution? What exactly do you think the term 'missing link' means? Do you honestly believe that term is still applicable? Maybe you don't realize that the term was coined before the discovery of 95% of hominid fossils. The current chain intermediates between modern humans and Australopithecus is appears pretty complete. Where would the "missing link" go and what exactly would it explain that somehow evolution doesn't explain? What is the great mystery that needs the application of supernatural or highly advanced science interfering with evolution to explain? You end up with a problem in that your hypothesis doesn't actually explain anything. I really don't understand why a non-religious person would invent explanations that are not necessary and have no empirical evidence to back it up. Before you link me to youtube videos, I will remind you that Sitchin's work has been soundly criticized, not because of the content but his methodology, incorrect/ incomplete translations among other things.

2012 will see the truth exposed for all to see....finally

namaste'

Check out www.godlikeproductions.com

There are Alien threads, Anun, spirituality, etc, aside from the political bs....

Illumination said:

2012 will see the truth exposed for all to see....finally

namaste'

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namaste mi amigo

LightningMcGreen said:

Highdeas are the greatest aren't they? They can keep you entertained in your own little world for hours on end lol

You could be right about some sort of "stellar intervention" with some structures and lifeforms on the planet...I wonder alot about the pyramids myself, as well as some of the archaeological findings/hieroglyphs with items that look alot like spaceships/aliens

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They are in the shape of ORION....pretty interesting, History Channel is blowing it wide up, part 5 is key and part 6...

http://www.history.com/shows/ancient-aliens

Tw3nti3ight said:

http://planetx-hercolubus-nibiru.blo...net-by-vm.html

http://planetx-hercolubus-nibiru.blogspot.com

http://planetx-hercolubus-nibiru.blo...from-nasa.html

Insiders from NASA, DoD national military intelligence, SETI, and the CIA speculate 2/3 of the population of the planet could perish during the coming pole-shift caused by the passage of Hercolubus (Planet X). Another 2/3 of those that survive initially could pass away to starvation and exposure to the elements within 6 months.

Most every secretive government agency in the USA is fully aware of what is expected and are readying themselves. The Vatican is fully abreast of what is expected. The public is not being warned and given their chance to prepare.

The volume of leaks from insiders, observatories, and the Vatican is bursting the dam of this disclosure wide open. The most important story on earth in over 3000 years is fast breaking loose from being held back by the controllers of the financial markets and major media for fear of panic and financial collapse.

These controllers put money in higher regard than people. The public can be given a chance to prepare by being informed. Our planet could very well be about to go through massive regular earth changes once again as a result of the passage of Hercolubus through our immediate solar system.​

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Thanks for the links. I needed a good laugh today.

I am glad you got a good laugh. Do you not believe that there is another planet?

Like this whole Universe, we have completely discovered everything? So there is no possible way, right?

All the UFO stuff in WWII, etc, ancient ruins....all bullshit? I have climbed Chichen Itza in Mexico...Mayans know some shit...

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Age of Taurus = 4500 BC = {4,286 - 2,143 bce} = (4-6 tya)
Age of Gemini = 7500 BC = {6,429 - 4,286 bce} = (6-8 tya)
Age of Leo = 11,500 BC = {10,715 - 8,572 bce} = (10-12 tya)
Age of Virgo = 14,500 BC = {12,858 - 10,715 bce} = (12-15ya and on)

[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Greetings and Welcome to the Planet X Files![/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The equations that follow are real. The numbers have not been changed to protect the innocent. The consequences will be real. I've done my very best to keep it simple so anyone can follow along and understand. There are no "doomsday" predictions here, but this event will take place. Knowing this can save the life of you and yours. My personal advice should headlines start creeping around by 2010? By late 2012 = stay away from the coasts.


Utilizing several timeline scales - pick what works for you: - [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]tya = thousand years ago[/FONT]

Age of Taurus = 4500 BC = {4,286 - 2,143 bce} = (4-6 tya)
Age of Gemini = 7500 BC = {6,429 - 4,286 bce} = (6-8 tya)
Age of Leo = 11,500 BC = {10,715 - 8,572 bce} = (10-12 tya)
Age of Virgo = 14,500 BC = {12,858 - 10,715 bce} = (12-15ya and on)

Nibiru - Sumerian Definition 4200 BCish
Tzoltze ek' - Mayan Definition 3800 BCish
Planet X - Modern Astronomy Science

"modern day definition":[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Planet X aka Nibiru[/FONT]:

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A large scale hypothetical planet that's part of our solar system with an orbit beyond that of Neptune. Was first hypothesized in 1841 when astronomers noticed Uranus did not move as predicted in it's orbit. Based on these residuals, the search for Planet X began.

Please keep in mind, I'm not a graphic artist. (doh) But most importantly, the dates illustrated below are just to ROUND OFF for purpose's of simplicity. The current figure generally accepted by science is that planet x/nibiru is on a 3600 year elongated (elliptical) solar orbit.

My personal calculations put this at 4320.26 years <---!!!Wrong!!! (See Below). Since this is closest to 4000 years I thought it would be fair enough when referring to a chronological scale of human/earth history.

This means that PlanetX/Nibiru is visible every 2000 (2,160) years during its orbital pass. ( Sumerian and Mayan text both state that Nibiru is clearly visible by day as well as night )

That being said, all science arenas confirm that the below charted events took place in the past at around those periods. The debate of course, is when exactly they occurred, and what exactly caused them to occur which isn't relevant for our purpose. You'll clearly see that the timeline's show something happens on a catastrophic scale every 4000 years (or so).

The sumerians told us that Nibiru wreaks havoc with the earth's axis every second orbital pass. (Every 4000 years or so). Basically, Earth's axis precessed from a right tilt forward and probably 180 to the left in around 10 or 20 hours due to the gravational "jolt" that takes place.Hmmmmm...

[/FONT][/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Sumerian Mathmatics 101 The Sumerian sexigesimal system of numbers works with changing factors that increase by 6 and 10.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The formula equates as follows:

1, 10, 60, 600, 3,600, 36,000, 216,000 bla bla so on, etc.

Every other preceding number is multiplied by 6 or 10.
The number 5,000 is written as 12,320 in Sumerian.

3,600 600 60 10 1
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1 2 3 2 0 ---- thus,

1x3600 + 2x600 + 3x60 + 2x10 + 0x1 = 5,000. Still hanging with me?

If we look at the number 3,600 and write it
down the Sumerian way, we see that the result is 2,160.

3,600 600 60 10 1
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N/A 3 6 0 0 ---- thus,

3x600 + 6x60 + 0x10 + 0x1 = 2160.

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The Sumerian mathmatics system might seem odd at first, but it's actually ideal for geometry, calculation with fractions, and time. The hour was divided into 60 minutes of 60 seconds each by the Mesopotamians using their sexagesimal system of counting.

Sumerians state that Geometry and Astronomy was the language bestowed upon them by the gods (flesh and blood gods) and is still used by freemason architects today gaining knowledge on their Templar crusades in the Middle East. (The Templars disbanded and later reappeared as Freemasons).

Hmmmmm... So, are the Sumerians lying and it's actually just a myth as modern religion would have you think? Only problem is, they have this documented 4000 years before Chirstians even exsisted. Anyway, its clear I back up this claim. Me and that pesky science fella.

Various studies of Sumerian mathematics point out that the numerals are intimately connected to the precessional cycle. The unusual alternating structure of the Sumerian sexagesimal system throws special emphasis on the number 12,960,000, which represents exactly 500 great precessional cycles of 25,920 years.

The lack of any connotations, other than astronomical, for the multiples of 25,920 and 2,160 can only suggest a deliberate design for astronomical purposes, yes? I think we can all agree on that.

Therefore, my suspicions strongly indicate that the revolutionary orbit of this 12th planet Nibiru could not consist of 3,600 years, but of 4,320 years. Assuming that's correct, then what would the consequences be?

If a whole new calculation is performed from the time of the great flood, which according to Alford occurred in 10,983 BCish, with the new orbital pass every 2,160 years then we get a whole new series of data, namely:

[/FONT][/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]10,983 - 8,823 - 6,663 - 4,503 - 2,343 - 183 BC and 1977 AD.
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Alford also describes the arguments between the two gods known as Thoth and his brother Marduk. These two conflicted over the fact as to when the precession of the Earth exactly started. Thoth was able to convince Marduk that it occurred one and a half degrees later than what Marduk had calculated. A degree and a half of the precession cycle is 108 years (a very sacred number in itself!). If we add this number to 1977 then we come up with the year 2085. Hmmm, No sweat, old coot here by then!

Still conflicted (nag nag), and after a couple solid sleepless nite weeks of continued research, I came across yet another precession article promoting facts that the current data on the precessional cycle does not consist of 25,920 years as the Sumerians had recorded. (doh)!

In ancient times the precessional length was 25,920 years, but now, due to the increased speed of precession, it is now closer to 25,776 years.

[/FONT][/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Sooooo...
The number 2,160 is the twelfth fraction of a precessional cycle that takes 25,920 years.

If we divide 25,776 by twelve we get 2,148 years.

We now conclude that the bi-orbital timeline of P-X is 2,148 years, not 3,600 or 2,160 years.

If we proceed to calculate in periods of 2,148 years starting at 10,983 BC,
then add another degree and a half of 25,776 to that:

{ meaning 107.4 years } thus/and/or
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{ A degree and a half of 25,920 is 108 years},

-gulp- we then come up with a result of... 2012 AD! ... Yikes!

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Hmmm.... The Mayan's, Egyptians, Zulu, Hindu, Incas, Aztecs, Dogon (Africa), Cherokee, Pueblo, Tibetan's bla bla bla.. all have the same calander target year! We can safely take "coincidence" off the table.

I challange you to calculate the odds of 2012 being a target year for all these cultures as coincidental. It's a number you couldn't even define. But if you're mathmatical minded, have a go!

So, this is also the end of the Mayan calendar, the end of the month Pisces (2148 years), and the end of the cycle known as the "Platonic Year or Great Year" which we now know lasts 25,776 years.

Keep in mind that the Maya and Sumerians we're the two "Dawn of Civilizations", that spawned all other cultures thereafter. And yep, they of course lived on different continents and had No Idea each other existed.

Although Nibiru now passes every 2,148 years it only orbits close enough to cause a pole shift every other time. Unfortunalty the numbers indicate last time it passed beyond Jupiter or Saturn resulting only in magnetic fluctuations and severe weather patterns. So this next pass should be between Mars and Jupiter. That can't be good folks. And the fact that both Maya and Sumer cultures (and about ten others), claim that their Gods told them this exact same timeline?

[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The last 'Major' passage, which caused noticeable catastrophe, was during the Age of Taurus, 4,286 - 2,143 bce - the two before that would have been in the Ages of Leo (10,500 BC.) and Scorpio (14,500 BC.) - (see chart above for "years ago" timeline ).

The Gnostic authors of the Bible were also aware of these hallmark conjunctions, and wrote them into the New Testament. The four beasts of the Apocalypse, the Lion, Ox, Man and Eagle, correspond to the four zodiac signs Leo, Taurus, Aquarius and Scorpio, in which the Grand Cross conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn takes place in 6,444 year intervals.

Even if the authors of the Bible didn't know what exactly would happen at this time (which they probably did) they appear to have used this event as a point for triangulating many prophetic statements. The sign of Taurus, named by the Sumerians 'GU.ANNA', meaning the "Heavenly Bull", also represented the Sumerian God Ishkur, a.k.a Teshub the storm God!

So my conclusion is that we experience catastrophe approximately every 4200 years (2 x 2,148 = 4200) and 3 times within a precessional time scale of 25,776 years. Mayan Elder, Hunbatz Men, also revealed that the Mayans have known about Tzoltze ek' (Nibiru) for many years. They say "The planet has a period of 6,500 years, not 3,600, and visits us 4 times every 26,000 year precessional cycle" (Platonic Year or Great Year, that ends on 21st December 2012). If we go back 6,444 years (3 x 2,14 from 2012 AD, then it brings us to 4,432 BC, when the Antarctic ice cap formed.

There is much controversy over the dating of the Biblical Flood, but if we look at archaeological data for 10,983 BC and 4,432 BC, we see evidence of major flooding and catastrophic climate change. There is also evidence of a flood around 2,200 BC, leading bible scholars to conclude this was the Biblical Flood. But I suggest this flood was much more localized than the great flood, due to the passage of Nibiru at a reasonably safe distance.

[/FONT][/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Sooooo... Just a coincidence that these other cultures have a 2012 target?
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• [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Hopi Predict a 25yr period of purification followed by End of Fourth World and beginning of the Fifth.
  Mayans Call it the 'end days' or the end of time as we know it.
  Maoris Say that as the veils dissolve there will be a merging of the physical & spiritual worlds.
  Zulu Believe that the whole world will be turned upside down.
  Hindus Kali Yuga (end time of man). The Coming of Kalki & critical mass of Enlightened Ones.
  Incas Call it the 'Age of Meeting Ourselves Again'.
  Aztec Call this the Time of the Sixth Sun. A time of transformation. Creation of new race.
  Dogon Say that the spaceship of the visitors, the Nommo, will return in the form of a blue star
  Pueblo Acknowledge it'll be the emergence into the Fifth World
  Cherokee Their ancient calendar ends exactly at 2012 as does the Mayan calendar.
  Tibetan Kalachakra teachings are prophesies left by Buddha predicting Coming of the Golden Age.
  Egypt According to the Great Pyramid (stone calendar), present time cyc
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Tw3nti3ight said:

I am glad you got a good laugh. Do you not believe that there is another planet?

Like this whole Universe, we have completely discovered everything? So there is no possible way, right?

All the UFO stuff in WWII, etc, ancient ruins....all bullshit? I have climbed Chichen Itza in Mexico...Mayans know some shit...

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Since another planet entering inside the orbits of other planets would exert gravitational attraction that can be measured, I would say, no, there is not another planet the size of which is being talked about. If 2012 is the year it will affect Earth, then it must be extremely close making it visible to the naked eye. The fact that this planet remains invisible to astronomers including the millions of amateurs with high powered telescopes, in spite of how large and/or close it must be to cause such destruction on Earth makes me put this hypothesis as very improbable.

If you are so sure, what exactly are you doing to save yourself? Making any progress with your astral projection?

BTW, your copy & paste of 'facts' are hardly that. Considering they are accepting the myth of the biblical flood as fact stretches their credibility but the
'fact' that all of those cultures pointed to 2012 as the end of days is purely rubbish.