The renewable energy changes and policy

They are take'n over! vs Robot rights!

How many of these will we see by 2030? In how many jobs? When will the first one be shot by a pissed off worker!

Here is the money that founded RethinkX

James Arbib, Founder of Rethink, founder of Tellus Mater foundation


Rethink Humanity! - James Arbib

Jun 13, 2023
Throughout history, civilizations have experienced significant transformations. Today, we find ourselves at a crucial juncture where the stakes are higher than ever before. While the tools and solutions required to address the challenges at hand are available, the big question is whether our world leaders are prepared to make the necessary decisions.

James Arbib, Founder of Rethink, founder of Tellus Mater foundation

An interesting "thesis"

If what they say about the next decade is true, then the rapid pace of change will cause conservatives and the usual suspects to freak out bigly! That would be especially true with any agricultural changes affecting rural people.


Rethinking Humanity - a Film by RethinkX

Humanity is on the brink of existential transformation, but we’re blind to the deeper processes of change. To recognize the mind-blowing possibility space of the next decade, as well as its catastrophic risks, we must grasp the patterns of history to understand how they can illuminate today.

Rethinking Humanity takes viewers on a whirlwind tour of the rise and fall of civilizations through a powerful lens that makes sense of the past, so that we can step into the present and create our future. During the 2020s, key technologies will converge to completely disrupt the five foundational sectors that underpin civilization, and with them every major industry in the world today. In information, energy, food, transportation, and materials, costs will fall by 10x or more, while production processes an order of magnitude more efficient will use 90% fewer natural resources with 10x-100x less waste.

The knock-on effects for society will be as profound as the extraordinary possibilities that emerge. For the first time in history, we could overcome poverty easily. Access to all our basic needs could become a fundamental human right. But this is just one future outcome. The alternative could see our civilization collapse into a new dark age. Which path we take depends on the choices we make, starting today. The stakes could not be higher.

Mankind, is going to automate ourselves off of the face of the earth. It wont be long, HUMANS, wont be able to get jobs, because they all will be done by robots.
No more fast food workers. Cashiers. Robots can work 24/7, and never take a break, and make very few, if any mistakes.

And there is no easy answer, because there is no stopping progress. Its going to cause an even greater divide, between rich, and poor. There will be no more middle class, as its already disintegrating.

We are going to be in deep shit, in the nearer future, than we think.

Between floods, drought, pandemics, automation, the shit is going to hit the fan, in the very near future. The Panama Canal, is so low, large container ships, can no longer navagate the canal. Ship traffic has to be rerouted, and has been having this trouble, since at least 2022. And its getting worse. Its fucking up the supply chain. Not to mention the Mississippi was so low in 2022, and this past year, you could walk across it, but last year was worse. Ships were held up for 2 months, and 50%+ of all commerce, is shipped via the Mississippi River. It was so low, the Gulf, was intruding up the mouth, almost to New Orleans, and wiped out a guys apple crop, which had been growing in his family, for 150 years, because he needed 300,000 gallons of water a day, and all he could get was salt water. Same for the Nile River. The Med sea, is encroaching up the delta, destroying their fresh water supply, and cotton crops. Egypt, grows the best cotton, in the world. And Lake Victoria, which supplies the Nile, is down 73%. Its at 27% capacity. Some places in Africa, havent had rain, in almost 15 years.
In 2022, all the major rivers in Europe, Including the Thames, Rhine, Danube, and several more, they were dry like the Mississippi, and halted all river traffic. China was so droughted, the Yangtze was so low, they couldnt get sea faring cargo ships into port, further screwing with supply chains.

But between natural disasters, and automation, things are really going to get a lot worse, than they are now.
And theres so much divide, in government, to get anything done. If anything is to be done, its now, and not wait, until the very last second, and in many cases, it may already be too late.

jimihendrix1 said:

Mankind, is going to automate ourselves off of the face of the earth. It wont be long, HUMANS, wont be able to get jobs, because they all will be done by robots.
No more fast food workers. Cashiers. Robots can work 24/7, and never take a break, and make very few, if any mistakes.

And there is no easy answer, because there is no stopping progress. Its going to cause an even greater divide, between rich, and poor. There will be no more middle class, as its already disintegrating.

We are going to be in deep shit, in the nearer future, than we think.

Between floods, drought, pandemics, automation, the shit is going to hit the fan, in the very near future. The Panama Canal, is so low, large container ships, can no longer navagate the canal. Ship traffic has to be rerouted, and has been having this trouble, since at least 2022. And its getting worse. Its fucking up the supply chain. Not to mention the Mississippi was so last year, and this past year, you could walk across it, but last year was worse. Ships were held up for 2 months, and 50%+ of all commerce, is shipped via the Mississippi River. It was so low, the Gulf, was intruding up the mouth, almost to New Orleans, and wiped out a guys apple crop, which had been growing in his family, for 150 years, because he needed 300,000 gallons of water a day, and all he could get was salt water. Same for the Nile River. The Med sea, is encroaching up the delta, destroying their fresh water supply, and cotton crops. Egypt, grows the best cotton, in the world. And Lake Victoria, which supplies the Nile, is down 73%. Its at 27% capacity. Some places in Africa, havent had rain, in almost 15 years.
In 2022, all the major rivers in Europe, Including the Thames, Rhine, Danube, and several more, they were dry like the Mississippi, and halted all river traffic. China was so droughted, the Yangtze was so low, they couldnt get sea faring cargo ships into port, further screwing with supply chains.

But between natural disasters, and automation, things are really going to get a lot worse, than they are now.

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It is likely to get worse before it gets better, if it gets better...

DIY-HP-LED said:

It is likely to get worse before it gets better, if it gets better...

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I agree.

jimihendrix1 said:

I agree.

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There has been some progress made in renewables, batteries and solar, green is now the color of money too and that gives me hope. As for robots, people vote, and robots don't.

Cell Ag - Core of the Next Industrial Shift

As the world grapples with the ravaging effects of climate change, COP28 emerges as a summit pressing for global strategies to combat this issue. Amidst these strategies lies an immense opportunity: precision fermentation and plant- and cell-based meat as viable alternative protein sources. Cellular agriculture technologies empower us to allocate and deploy resources more efficiently, enhancing quality and safety and increasing yields while promoting sustainability through a zero-waste circular economy. At The Cultivated B (TCB), this vision is our operational ethos.

Our biotechnological ventures prioritize scalable, sustainable protein production. We're not just about optimizing cellular agriculture processes; we're about revolutionizing the entire resource chain. Our bioreactors, for instance, are meticulously crafted for energy efficiency and resource optimization.

Im all for doing everything possible to combat climate change. While still needing more investigation, I read that they can now make batteries, that dont lose power down to -5f. Which is big. Porsche, has a battery that charges in abut 10 minutes, and will go 750 miles and have another one coming, that will go 950 miles, on a similar charge time. They arent out yet, but are soon to be.

An all out assault, needs to be done, to advance battery tech. They went to the moon, in less than a decade, after Kennedy said, we will put a man n the moon, by the end of the decade, and they fucking did it. If it was made a life, or death priority, they would probably come up with batteries that would blow ones mind.

I read another company, was using Graphene, and had an experimental battery, that would charge in 8 minutes, and go 10,000 miles. The battery has a life span, of 10 MILLION...YES 10 MILLION Miles. If they can come out with this, and make it workable in extreme cold, it will be a game changer. Your/mine great grand kids will still be using this battery. But by that time, think of what they will have, if life as we know it progresses, peacefully, and/or no extreme world wide, natural disasters, or some kind of extremely lethal virus, or bacteria surfaces. But you know its going to. Its only a matter of time, before mother nature, does a correction.

Innovation is accelerating now that we have computing machines to do maths. If we could only figure out how to stop killing eachother and work as a common human race to push innovation. Just imagine if we took all the ingenuity, effort, and cash that has been spent in the past few centuries on war and instead of killing ourselves we had pushed to innovate. I seriously don’t think any human would be hungry or unhoused at this point and we would have solved interstellar travel, time travel, etc. by now.

okay cue the music…

I'm still keeping an eye on the RethinkX food report stuff, I think they pretty well nailed it on their solar, EV, battery and automation predictions, but I'm pretty skeptical about their food and agriculture forecasts for 2030 and 2035. However, I don't know much about the industry or details, but have a basic understanding of the processes and issues facing scaling the technology and that is where I focus. Yeast fermentation of basic proteins and lipids along with other bio compounds is being done and expanding rapidly and encompassing more products. Mammalian cell culture is hard to scale, but like with yeast fermentation better bioreactors could change that and continuous production flow ones are being developed.

However, there are other approaches to a bioreactor including one that uses LED lights to grow plankton or algae to feed fish commercially. It might be possible to genetically engineer these organisms to produce a variety of things in a system that is much easier to scale and needs lower sanitation standards. How many watts of solar powered LED lights and how much hydroponics nutrients would it take to grow a kilo of protein in one? People here have some familiarity with LED lighting plants and hydroponics.

It might be one way to scale up fish and even meat protein production by using a fresh or sea water based medium. It need not be done through the algae, but by something that eats the algae. Economics win in the end, not the nicest idea.

I ran across this machine, and they use them or will in Asia to feed fish.

Algae Production Made EasyOur compact photobioreactors make it easy to continuously culture clean algae on-site. Routine tasks like cleaning and harvesting are automated, which makes life easier for hatchery staff, while increasing reliability and reducing operating expenses.
Algae Culture for Hatcheries Aquaculture - Industrial Plankton

Algae Culture for Hatcheries Aquaculture - Industrial Plankton

Reliably producing enough clean algae is the bottleneck for many shellfish, shrimp, and finfish hatcheries. PBRs - Solution to Algae Culture for Hatcheries.

industrialplankton.com

Continuous production using raw sunlight.

An algae-based biotech system could be much more "farm friendly" with lower sanitation standards and fish shit and other byproducts can be used to fertilize crops and even fertilizer run off might be reprocessed into food for algae in a closed loop system except for hydroponic nutrients. I expect the biotech industry to follow many paths, since life is so complex and diverse. That is why it might be a difficult industry to track, for instance aquaculture technology has been around a long time and there is a vast knowledge base. When combined with Genetic technology, who knows where it could lead and there are just as many companies and scientists working in this specific aquaculture area globally as there are in the battery industry. There are orders of magnitude more paths to follow for biotech companies than any other industry. Profit margins are thin in traditional agriculture, and it might be hard to beat some traditional methods, but there will be lots of innovation, iterative improvements and competition.

Let's say in a few years the biotech industry has several competing strategies for producing meat and cutting out the livestock industry. One method used high tech and high sanitation levels to produce meat in a continuous flow bioreactor. Meanwhile another set of companies has a different idea, they want to franchise aquaculture-based bioreactor systems to farmers that run on solar power and are feed using fertilizer. Who wins the fight for government support? One group is pro farmer and the other pro corporate with the dairy and livestock industry going down the tubes and rural America freaking out. Biology is big and the possibilities are endless and there are millions of biologists with increasing numbers of them working in the biotech industry and they have specialized in that industry and many of them start new companies. It is a difficult industry to predict due to the immense complexity of the subject matter, life and its ability to self-replicate and scale, being conservative about this particular industry might not be a good idea for predicting its future. Keeping an open mind about biotechnology and keeping up with developments (to the extent that is possible) might be a good idea for those with a stake in the agricultural or food industries.

That is why I'm not writing off the RethinkX report on food, it is a far too complex and fast-moving set of several biotechnologies and can be as diverse and surprising as life itself.

jimihendrix1 said:

Im all for doing everything possible to combat climate change. While still needing more investigation, I read that they can now make batteries, that dont lose power down to -5f. Which is big. Porsche, has a battery that charges in abut 10 minutes, and will go 750 miles and have another one coming, that will go 950 miles, on a similar charge time. They arent out yet, but are soon to be.

An all out assault, needs to be done, to advance battery tech. They went to the moon, in less than a decade, after Kennedy said, we will put a man n the moon, by the end of the decade, and they fucking did it. If it was made a life, or death priority, they would probably come up with batteries that would blow ones mind.

I read another company, was using Graphene, and had an experimental battery, that would charge in 8 minutes, and go 10,000 miles. The battery has a life span, of 10 MILLION...YES 10 MILLION Miles. If they can come out with this, and make it workable in extreme cold, it will be a game changer. Your/mine great grand kids will still be using this battery. But by that time, think of what they will have, if life as we know it progresses, peacefully, and/or no extreme world wide, natural disasters, or some kind of extremely lethal virus, or bacteria surfaces. But you know its going to. Its only a matter of time, before mother nature, does a correction.

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What kWh capacity is quoted for the Porsche batteries?

DIY-HP-LED said:

I'm still keeping an eye on the RethinkX food report stuff, I think they pretty well nailed it on their solar, EV, battery and automation predictions, but I'm pretty skeptical about their food and agriculture forecasts for 2030 and 2035. However, I don't know much about the industry or details, but have a basic understanding of the processes and issues facing scaling the technology and that is where I focus. Yeast fermentation of basic proteins and lipids along with other bio compounds is being done and expanding rapidly and encompassing more products. Mammalian cell culture is hard to scale, but like with yeast fermentation better bioreactors could change that and continuous production flow ones are being developed.

However, there are other approaches to a bioreactor including one that uses LED lights to grow plankton or algae to feed fish commercially. It might be possible to genetically engineer these organisms to produce a variety of things in a system that is much easier to scale and needs lower sanitation standards. How many watts of solar powered LED lights and how much hydroponics nutrients would it take to grow a kilo of protein in one? People here have some familiarity with LED lighting plants and hydroponics.

It might be one way to scale up fish and even meat protein production by using a fresh or sea water based medium. It need not be done through the algae, but by something that eats the algae. Economics win in the end, not the nicest idea.

I ran across this machine, and they use them or will in Asia to feed fish.

Algae Production Made EasyOur compact photobioreactors make it easy to continuously culture clean algae on-site. Routine tasks like cleaning and harvesting are automated, which makes life easier for hatchery staff, while increasing reliability and reducing operating expenses.
Algae Culture for Hatcheries Aquaculture - Industrial Plankton

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Algae Culture for Hatcheries Aquaculture - Industrial Plankton

Reliably producing enough clean algae is the bottleneck for many shellfish, shrimp, and finfish hatcheries. PBRs - Solution to Algae Culture for Hatcheries.

industrialplankton.com

Continuous production using raw sunlight.
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R2! You’ve had work done!

cannabineer said:

What kWh capacity is quoted for the Porsche batteries?

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I think they wanted to use quantumscape batteries, but there are temporary issues.

DIY-HP-LED said:

I think they wanted to use quantumscape batteries, but there are temporary issues.

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Still … capacity?

Toyota made a big deal recently about a 1600km battery they say is coming. But they did not publish either capacity nor its equivalent, distance realized per kWh expended.

As long as they duck these data, I sneer at these useless distance claims. Porsche is not in the business of making hardcore lightweight economy platforms, so a 950-mile battery is likely to be in the 400-500kWh range.

I’d dearly like to see the hardware needed to charge it from 0 to 100% in ten minutes. Another weasel tactic by BEV makers is to say “uh, that’s for charging from like 10 to 80%.” Malarkey. Show me dead to topped.

cannabineer said:

Still … capacity?

Toyota made a big deal recently about a 1600km battery they say is coming. But they did not publish either capacity nor its equivalent, distance realized per kWh expended.

As long as they duck these data, I sneer at these useless distance claims. Porsche is not in the business of making hardcore lightweight economy platforms, so a 950-mile battery is likely to be in the 400-500kWh range.

I’d dearly like to see the hardware needed to charge it from 0 to 100% in ten minutes. Another weasel tactic by BEV makers is to say “uh, that’s for charging from like 10 to 80%.” Malarkey. Show me dead to topped.

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I look at the transition like the early auto industry, there will be lots of failures and also rans, in a evolutionary like economic process, but the trend is clear. There are better batteries and EV coming and improvement will likely be iterative, until someone makes a capacity break through. Battery tech has become very important each significant iterative improvement expands their possible uses. The battery factories are going up and unless they can work in the cold, they will be selling them in warmer places. However, a simple propane heater for the battery pack could solve a lot of cold weather issues while not using much propane and could be smaller than an old Volkswagen Beetle cab heater. Gas bottles are ubiquitous, and it would only be used in cold snaps and might be controlled by a remote or phone app.

cannabineer said:

R2! You’ve had work done!

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How many kinds of fish are there in the sea? How many different kinds of plants are grown for food or in gardens, how many varieties? Just the subject of gardening is immense, and the field of pot growing is one of the most advanced in horticulture, some of the best gardeners using tech are pot growers FFS! That is a fraction of the scope of the field of biotechnology and its potential, when that potential will be realized is the question and will it put dairy and livestock farming out of business or largely so. We will grow crops, but some of them might be genetically modified to produce meat or other proteins, lipids or materials.

DIY-HP-LED said:

I look at the transition like the early auto industry, there will be lots of failures and also rans, in a evolutionary like economic process, but the trend is clear. There are better batteries and EV coming and improvement will likely be iterative, until someone makes a capacity break through. Battery tech has become very important each significant iterative improvement expands their possible uses. The battery factories are going up and unless they can work in the cold, they will be selling them in warmer places. However, a simple propane heater for the battery pack could solve a lot of cold weather issues while not using much propane and could be smaller than an old Volkswagen Beetle cab heater. Gas bottles are ubiquitous, and it would only be used in cold snaps and might be controlled by a remote or phone app.

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I still reallyreally wanna know the numbers behind these mileage claims. A 950-mile Cayenne must be quite a thing.

And, of course, 2+MW chargers.