The Science of Interconnectedness.

dtp5150 said:

dont be scarred of endless, limitless thinking

are you seriously asking me to explain how ideas from different people are connected in a thread titled "the science of interconnectedness"

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This seems to be a typical response from you when someone simply asks you to explain your position. Act as if your position is obvious and anyone who doesn't see it is being ridiculous. You do not hesitate to speak your opinion, but you would rather put people on ignore than have them ask questions you can't answer. You complain about ignorance and then depend on it to give you the illusion of being correct.

ok, i wont make smug comments anymore. i think the more of an asshole i am the more depressed i am. in other places ppl were noticing going manic and I denied it. But I think it was definitely true. Apologies for asshole comments, ill try to identify my depression in the future.

dtp5150 said:

Id say you have done a fine job of describing the situation.

am i bad person? i like to be correct about my opinions.

i am a bit of a smug bastard. ill admit that one. i suppose it is not a good quality. just want to battle ignorance head on. yes, by sometimes putting people on ignore who i feel are lost causes and a waste of screen real estate.

i ignore people in real life too. maybe i shouldnt? really what is the plan you have for me because it seems as if you have got everything figured out.

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dtp5150 said:

mindphuk, get a new hobby besides being a chief harassing piece of shit. you are a great author. I liked your paragraph, that i can paraphrase as "blah"....lol do you really think anybody will read that crap, delusional freak

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Get some new material, you're insults are boring.

BTW, I figure you and CWE would completely ignore the substance and it appears I was right. Science is necessarily materialistic, not out of a philosophical stances but from a methodological one. Since neither of you can offer up a way to change that, i.e. test something non-materialistic, I guess we are done here with your nonsensical attacks against science.

dtp5150 said:

dont be scarred of endless, limitless thinking

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EXACTLY.. That's why I accept the fact that we come from leprechauns. I will NOT fear the unkown even if all these evil skeptics say I'm wrong. Phooey on their closed minds.

Hepheastus420 said:

EXACTLY.. That's why I accept the fact that we come from leprechauns. I will NOT fear the unkown even if all these evil skeptics say I'm wrong. Phooey on their closed minds.

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This proves to me that you are not just parroting what skeptics say and giving into pressure, like some here claim. The only way you could construct this sarcastic joke is if you understood the basic principals behind burden of proof. You didn't just learn how to talk like a skeptic, you learned how to think critically. You have my applause.

zat said:

The Hopi once said that science and medicine would eventually prove the existence of God (or Spirit/Creator...whatever your preferred name is). I think the interconnectedness of all things can only be experienced at higher levels of consciousness....and most people function at the lowest level...a.k.a. Land of the Living Dead. Try this....if your cat/dog is just chilling but not paying attention to you....just sit there and stare at your pet with intent. They will eventually look at you because they can feel the energy from you. Good post Chief. I always enjoy your contributions.

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I tried this with my dog a few times, only worked once though. Except I imagined saying the word "Treats?" to her and I imagined what her treats look like. After about thirty seconds she ran up to me and stood up on her hind legs, one of her tricks. Another cool thing that often happens to me is I would think about something and that very second someone else would bring up what I was thinking about, it happens most with my best friend and my dad. I think Sheldrake should do different telepathy experiments like with the things I experienced with pets and friends and family. I think he should use altered states of consciousness too with shrooms, LSD, and DMT... I'm assuming you already know of my other infamous telepathic experiences lol.

I learned about the Hopi prophecy not too long ago from someone on this site, and there prophecy is AMAZINGLY accurate, I couldnt believe how well they predicted what future life was going to be like. "Coincidence" seems unlikely when you read their prophetic description of this world. I think science has already done enough to prove the existence of "god", with things like the Flower of Life, DMT trips, this interconnectedness theory etc. If that doesnt prove god then it at least it proves that this world is not at all what it seems... I think words like "paranormal" and "supernatural" will be out dated and false within 10 years. Telepathy was once thought to be supernatural, but DNA has recently been found to have a telepathic property to it. Also, observers viewing sub atomic particles change the behavior of the sub atomic particles just by looking at them, which to me also hints at telepathy... If it happens, then it is not "paranormal" or "supernatural"... Its normal and natural.

"The world is not only stranger than we suppose, its stranger than we CAN suppose" - Some smart dude who I cant remember lol

Chief Walkin Eagle said:

"The world is not only stranger than we suppose, its stranger than we CAN suppose" - Some smart dude who I cant remember lol

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Sagan would be utterly ashamed.

Chief Walkin Eagle said:

Ah yes, a website that promotes spirituality, science, and knowledge is woo because it uses spirituality. Sheldrake is a real scientist... who clashed heads with the likes of Richard Dawkins .....hosted by skeptics of higher stature then yourself and listen to them fail to dismantle Sheldrakes theories. The unbiased educated audiences of these debates tend to favor Sheldrake at the end of the debates and the well respected opposing skeptics hold strong to their "Nuh uhh!" stance. Sheldrake speaks of his evidence and controlled experiments on his website, failure to acknowledge that shows the same ignorance you showed when discussing unlimited/free energy with me. You dont want to know or even consider these things because that makes you happy and more comfortable about your world view.

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Wow, Why this weird idea that the power of insult and derision is needed to support, (or is it to fog?), what should be a case that can speak for itself? Science is the quest for demonstrable, repeatable result. It's got nothing to do with any of this. It isn't Right. It is Investigative. You, however, as a typical proselyte, get upset and lack useful descriptions when anyone challenges your view. And you act like you need to challenge our viewpoint. Please realize. You are unable to challenge the view of skeptics. You don't have the Math.

Doer said:

Wow, Why this weird idea that the power of insult and derision is needed to support, (or is it to fog?), what should be a case that can speak for itself? Science is the quest for demonstrable, repeatable result. It's got nothing to do with any of this. It isn't Right. It is Investigative. You, however, as a typical proselyte, get upset and lack useful descriptions when anyone
challenges your view. And you act like you need to challenge our viewpoint. Please realize. You are unable to challenge the view of skeptics. You don't have the Math.

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Amen to that brotha! Supreme pownage!

Doer said:

Wow, Why this weird idea that the power of insult and derision is needed to support, (or is it to fog?), what should be a case that can speak for itself? Science is the quest for demonstrable, repeatable result. It's got nothing to do with any of this. It isn't Right. It is Investigative. You, however, as a typical proselyte, get upset and lack useful descriptions when anyone challenges your view. And you act like you need to challenge our viewpoint. Please realize. You are unable to challenge the view of skeptics. You don't have the Math.

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LOL I am not attacking anyone here. I am playing by the rules. I am politely belittling the materialistic mindset just like skeptics politely belittle the theistic mindset, the link and Sheldrakes website politely belittle the materialistic, I am not acting out of line, just talking about the topic. What happens when I do this? Butthurt ensues by the skeptics, because I am politely belittling the materialistic, just like skeptics do with the theistic... I cant find this hurt card you are speaking of, because its not in my hand...

Padawanbater2 said:

Sagan would be utterly ashamed.

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Im pretty sure you mean J.B.S Haldane...

Chief Walkin Eagle said:

LOL I am not attacking anyone here. I am playing by the rules. I am politely belittling the materialistic mindset just like skeptics politely belittle the theistic mindset, the link and Sheldrakes website politely belittle the materialistic, I am not acting out of line, just talking about the topic. What happens when I do this? Butthurt ensues by the skeptics, because I am politely belittling the materialistic, just like skeptics do with the theistic... I cant find this hurt card you are speaking of, because its not in my hand...

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You are equivocating criticism with belittlement, spirituality with theism. If our criticism of bad ideas makes you feel little, you must own that, it doesn't come from us.

I've heard some interesting spiritual ideas, never heard a good theistic idea. Anytime someone posits the existence of god and builds from there, they are confining their spirituality to smaller and smaller areas, and criticism of these ideas may, by design of the idea, lead to belittlement.

Heisenberg said:

You are equivocating criticism with belittlement, spirituality with theism. If our criticism of bad ideas makes you feel little, you must own that, it doesn't come from us.

I've heard some interesting spiritual ideas, never heard a good theistic idea. Anytime someone posits the existence of god and builds from there, they are confining their spirituality to smaller and smaller areas, and criticism of these ideas may, by design of the idea, lead to belittlement.

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IMO, theism is a form of spirituality, even though its mostly religion, they do in believe in a spirit/soul. Spirituality just puts less importance on the "creator" because we are no different from him/her. At least thats the message I get from most spiritual people I talk to.

Chief Walkin Eagle said:

IMO, theism is a form of spirituality, even though its mostly religion, they do in believe in a spirit/soul. Spirituality just puts less importance on the "creator" because we are no different from him/her. At least thats the message I get from most spiritual people I talk to.

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I agree. I look at the term 'spirituality' as I look at the term 'atheism'.

Atheism simply tells you one thing, a person is not convinced of god. Any other attributes added now fall under a subset of atheism. If I am mad at my parents so I reject god, I am an atheist, but very different from the scientist who simply wants evidence.

Spirituality tells you one thing for sure, that a person feels (subjective term) that there is a sacred element to consciousness. If I feel reincarnation is a consequence of this sacred element, then I am spiritual, but much different than the person who feels that only humans have a soul and it depends on the love of Jesus. So, we start with spirituality, the idea that there is something extraordinary about consciousness, and any other attributes added now fall under a subset of spirituality.

Just as being mad at your parents is a poor reason to favor atheism, belief in a specific god is a poor reason to favor spiritualism. But in both positions, legitimate reasons are possible.

Hepheastus420 said:

EXACTLY.. That's why I accept the fact that we come from leprechauns. I will NOT fear the unkown even if all these evil skeptics say I'm wrong. Phooey on their closed minds.

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...meh, atheist always has the theist in it - I'm over it

Quantum mechanics

Super Consciousness

nb: not like "awesome"

Chief Walkin Eagle said:

Im pretty sure you mean J.B.S Haldane...

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Could have sworn that was a Sagan quote, but you're right, my mistake.

Though I do think Sagan would be ashamed.

Chief Walkin Eagle said:

LOL I am not attacking anyone here. I am playing by the rules. I am politely belittling the materialistic mindset just like skeptics politely belittle the theistic mindset, the link and Sheldrakes website politely belittle the materialistic, I am not acting out of line, just talking about the topic. What happens when I do this? Butthurt ensues by the skeptics, because I am politely belittling the materialistic, just like skeptics do with the theistic... I cant find this hurt card you are speaking of, because its not in my hand...

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This is just rewritting to have it your way. Uh, uh, not me, it's them. Not discussion. You are berating and protesting what only you are providing. It's still what I have pointed out. No one is butt-hurt but you. It is the job of the religious to spread the word. But, the true devotee is unconcerned, in a state of bliss, beyond teaching, he is convinced of Self. There are no rules and as you see I didn't call you out about that. More tap dance, Chief, to hide the fact that no one is belittling you. Just you feel belittled. It is a simple lack of confidence, my friend. I've been there and done that. The buddhists call it right action with detachment from result. That is key. Else the responses comes off as hurt and belittled....as you say.

And not knowing you are the looks on your face, I can only point out what it seems, not what it is. I only know one thing, that's IT.