The "Topping Vs Bending " thread title is gay

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captain canabiss

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The thought that you should either top or bend shows a complete lack of knowledge and experience.

"STRIPPING LEAVES,TOPPING every third NODE,and BENDING BRANCHES OUT AND DOWN IS THE ABSOLUTE BEST WAY TO GET THE MAX out of your plants.Below is taken from the thread "from indoors to outdoors" by me.Go to that thread to learn the Strip,Top, Bend and feed cycle method. I came upon this (through the willingness to experiment) about 21 years ago and I FUK'N swear by it.

LEAVES BLOCK THE SUN,Get rid of them
BRANCHES and BRANCH GROWTH produce BUDS,
increase branches and branch growth
SIMPLE STUFF,takes dedication though

SHUN THE NON BELIEVERS,strip those leaves,top those branches every third node,bend branches down and out to let light in to the lower parts of the plant and make room for all the new branches soon to grow in,water and feed the shit out of them,let them leaf out for a week maybe two and do it all again.REPEAT THIS CYCLE and you will know the meaning of poundage per plant.
 
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pballpunk45

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ive never tried any of the things you were talking about so im not gonna say your wrong but to me that sounds like it would cause too much stress and make it hermie. and leaves are what capture sunlight to help the plant grow but besides taking the leaves off that sounds like a solid plan.
 
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Easy P

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only one thing to add to that...always put em out a little early so that they trip a little. when the outdoor light catches up all your branches will spider grow automaticly...good advice cap.
 
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captain canabiss

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i put them outside in march , the establised part of the plant has been growing 3 months and buds when going from 24/7 indoors to early spring outdoor hours.I spray Elanors VF-11 on the budding branches. the new growth naturally grows without budding and i spray it with a mix of Elanors -VF11 15-85-55 and Mir-Acid 30-10-10. I water the roots with Elanors and Superthrive which is a mix of 50 trace elements and minerals.The bud side of the plants are done in June. After harvesting the June buds it is all about the nitrogen through foliar and root feeding. When the plants are finished they are 10-11 months old and age really intensfies the resin output. The plant thinks that some pollen should have been available back in march when it was budding, by june sticy buds, when finishing the grow the plant is unbelivably sticky on the branches and leaves when you strip. The resin gets stickier in an effort to hopefully catch some pollen before it dies and cant reproduce. Stickier = Stronger= yeah for me.

tip: I started cutting the tops of buds off (while still early in the budding season)
just enough to find the stem inside. I spray the Elanors - VF11 down inside the stem or branch or whatever you want to call it, and the bitches get so fat so fast .
I would foliar feed every day if in my yard, but since it is a small journey, i do it every time i go,and after stripping topping and bending I SOAK THEM through the roots and spray the branches tops and few leaves I leave. People always give me this " if there are no leaves how can it grow?"

1. every top is nothing but leaf clusters , just dying to get big,but all the other BIG NOT NEEDED ENERGY DRAINING leaves slow them down. So get rid of the leaves and the new clusters grow out faster and rigorously .
that is why I top every third node it really thickens the hell out of them. It becomes quite a chore if you do it right. You get out of it what you put into it.
2.plants upper part is governed by the light,food and water intake as well as how much vegetation is sharing the food and water. So if you have numerous branches with small leaf clusters(tops) and because you just stripped two weeks of leaf growth,where is all the energy going to go?PUSHING out all the new branches and since you top every third node on every branch there is a lot of new branches = yeah for me. If you wanted the end result to be a bunch of leaves then dont take any off. If you want lots of bud producing branches then lose the leaves.
Money does to grow on trees.
 
Florida Girl

Florida Girl

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captain canabiss said:
The thought that you should either top or bend shows a complete lack of knowledge and experience.
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No it doesn't! However your attitude that anyone who posts about it or has questions about it is "inexperienced" comes off as arrogant and condescending :roll:


captain canabiss said:
LEAVES BLOCK THE SUN,Get rid of them
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I COMPLETELY disagree with that ^^^^

Trimming the very very bottom leaves is one thing... but cutting off the UPPER leaves is like cutting off the plants mechanism for making food and energy. The leaves are MEANT to take in the light.... don't cut them off!
 
brendon420

brendon420

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FIM is not cutting at a node, it is cutting between nodes as i understand, i could be wrong but someone will correct me, my plant has like 7 new tops, and the funny part is i didnt know i was actually doing that i just started cutting lol
 
Florida Girl

Florida Girl

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FIM ("Fuck I Missed") is a form of topping. In a nutshell it's the removing of about the top 90% of the part you are cutting and leaving the lower 10%.... if that makes sense
 
brendon420

brendon420

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rep for that, ive spent a lot of time reading but that it probably the best explanation ive been able to get my head around.
 
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captain canabiss

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Been at this hobby for over 35 years, sometimes i seem arrogant in what i say.It is misunderstood because I am just wanting to help others be able to get results that are possible and almost impossible to believe. There was a time when i was arrogant about it,this came from being very good at this and being a rowdy ahole.
I am very mellow now and mean no disrespect to anyone. Sometimes i get frustrated by those who know it all and with closed minds. I gained knowledge from growers that were around long before the internet was ever thought about.Which means you learned from those in your circle with cool parents or older brothers or sisters or uncles or cousins and you read about in books. And most important,you experimented with what you have read what you were told and try new things as you go.This is how you learn and it is where you firm up beliefs in your methods.

GOOD AS SOME BETTER THAN MOST
HARVEST SOON OUT ON THE COAST

WE CANT HELP IT IF WE LIKE TO BOAST
TO ALL YOU GROWERS I RAISE A TOAST

SO ROLL A FATTY
C'MON LET'S ROAST

Captain Canabiss
 
South Texas

South Texas

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Hey Capitan, got a question for you. I'm use to the Sativa shit, but my Master Kush is a fucking cone head. Nothing but a big stalk if buds, I don't know how to "play" with this shit. I have topped, taken a few leaves off, but other than that, while it's budding, I don't see much play room. What's your advice?
 
slabhead

slabhead

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Capt, thanks for the great advice. Your yrs of experience using it are enough for me to try it. Always looking for ways to improve. I did something similar in 1978 and remember the great buds. I tied down the whole stalks as they grew. Just kept putting out more and more branches. I don't believe the Elanors - VF11 is available around here but sounds like good stuff.

Knowledgeable stuff man, keep it comin'.
 
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Easy P

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i also am unfamiliar with vf11...could you please post your practices with this product,pit falls,tricks etc.im sure a lot of people would benefit from the advanced experience...thanks.
 
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captain canabiss

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Hey South Texas you are saying that it has no side growth. Just a big fat bud from top to bottom. Things could be worse.
i'm assuming you are talking outdoor.
nothing you can do this year for that plant UNLESS you have acess to some good sativa pollen. Put it in a baggie and carefully wrap around one bud and rubber band it.Do this at night and remove it the next morning before hot.Only need to do it the one time.Let that bud stay as long as it takes to get your seeds mature.

Without crossing the strain the next time you start with this strain top it as soon as the third node appears, usually three weeks old or there abouts. When the two branches that the topping created sprout their third nodes top again. Now you have six branches where there was only one.And of course each of these 6 branches will be having many branches that all need to be topped and bent by this time.

I STRESS THE STRIPPING OF LEAVES, but dont do it for the first month until the plant is certain to be on her way.

I started crossing sativas and indicas along time ago and it is a great match.

If this does not answer your???'s or i misunderstood the ? please ask again.
 
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captain canabiss

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It is totally organic and non toxic. I spray it on my veggies and the peppers and strawbs just keep on popping .great for house plants.
They also started making ELANORS Lawn Food 35-85-55 i mixed it with mir acid 30-10-10 and all of a sudden you got 65-95-65, holy shit the things went nuts. Be careful and dillute it more than label calls for.

Elanor is a really nice woman that lives in SANTA CRUZ, CA. I get it at Long's Drugs or Rite Aid and a local nursery carries it.

My brother gets it sent to him in 5 gallon buckets from the SANTA CRUZ location.

Eleanor's of California or enter Elanors VF-11 into any search engine. It is expensive when you root feed with it. So I foliar feed with it all year then root feed and foliar feed during bud season.
Hey I gotta Grow, talk soon
 
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