The trials and tribulations of Barry "the newb" Bwana's first grow...

BarryBwana said:

This LED has a veg (I believe this is the famous blurple) and flowering switch(reddish light), should is just stick to the veg light mode or both?

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Hi Barry,
Plants react to light spectra in predictable ways. Blue light spectrum is best for vegging (growth) phase and results in optimal growth and node spacing. Too much red spectrum light and you can get a stretchy plant.

So I'd use the veg setting for sure.
JD

When you take pics get them out of that blurple light can't see, my friend owns a viperspecra 600w, a bear of a light at over 10lbs, a great veg light, not to great a bloom light not enough red, but it will do fine, bring your light closet to your plant, once your seedlings acclimate to that light, 30inc you want to run it 2ft above your canopy, I know all this beacuse i helped him set it up, they even give you a haikoo grow tip when leaves point up towerd the light happy plants, if your plant shys away from light plant unhappy,

Sorry for the blurple picture but the pictures should clearly show what I'm referring too.

Is it normal/ok that the bottom two leaves on both plans seems to be dropping? The rest seem happy

When your seedlings are under lights they Will bend around move to the brightest spot and I move my pots around several times a day, after they get a bit bigger and your main stem hardens you will be fine, your seedlings look good, you have a viperspecra 600w? I set one up for my friend, they recommend an aclimation period for new seedlings at 30 inc, after that they recommend keeping the light above your canopy 24inc,, you can change the spec of your light from full spec to full bloom, I have been disaraged for useing a bloom booster when I switch to bloom nutrients, when your plants top off and are in full bloom, give a final prune, flush out all the food nutrients, add flower base + agent, I use Atami bloombastic, and change the spectrum of your light to full bloom, at home depot you can buy clamp lights cheap, I buy full sec bulbs and use this as side lighting during veg, people again will disparage me but it works, I'm sitting here smelling my 42inc northern lights, as the commercial says the things you love the most can stink.

Sorry NL at day 55,

So they look to be doing well except for one leaf on the pineapple kush has a little discoloring (brownish) on the very tip....and I'm slightly worried the stems are not seeming to really thicken (the red and blue posts are actually average size drinking straws).

Are these things I should be worried about or indicate I need to do something? Otherwise these plants seem to be loving the vipar 600w, have them at about 34 inches away.

The nodes seem to be stacking quite tightly

My friend owns a viperspecra i helped him set up his grow room, the manufacturer sugest a seedling aclimation at 30 inc for 3 days, and then keep light 24 to 27inc above your canopy, if your leaf are stacking you are at some point you are going yo have to prune, how old are your plants?

Ok .... previous vipar guy here.

1. Put both ... veg AND bloom switches on.
2. Individual COLOR channels are ridiculously weak.
3. Seedlings will stretch around 30” so lower panel to say 24” .

If seedlings do get stretchy , no worries... you can bury the stem .

I actually like the damn thing once I dialed it in ..
. For a couple of plants ( 3 gallons ) it performs well... I moved on to COBS and QB but actually still
Own the 600 . Even tho pull was about 278 pretty well.

Use this chart and just grow your plants.



I know this panel like a Thai hooker .... played with it , fucked with it , and it gave me the goods.

ALWAYS put both channels on .... always. I ran it perpetually for my autos ... 18/6 or 20/4.

It vegs pretty damn well with both channels on ... flowering is subjective, but got some dank.



The pic below shows WITH SUPPLEMENTAL RED ONLY ( 630nm to 660nm ) that is NOT a hot spot .... the red panels were only to cover FRINGE corner areas. The vipar grew them out as shown.

You can see plants liked this thing and prayed away. Lol.

I STILL HAVE IT and may find a corner or throw up a 2x4 tent or so and get her back into action.

It’s like your first car and you get sentimental! ..... lol

Are you saying you are running your viperspecra on veg and bloom at the same time? This is not how you use that light, when you are in veg run veg only, when you switch over to bloom then put that second light on, you need to learn about light spectrum, when you run on veg it's full spectrm, some blue to grow ect, when you switch to bloom turn the other button on, this will make your light much brighter good righ? No they are 2 different spectrums, full spect to veg, and bloom witch is a difficult spectrum, more red, ultraviolet light you can't see,, and some white you think beacuse your light is brighter it must grow better this is not the case, both light spectrum are different, and are to be used seperareley, read the direction for your light it will tell you never to do this.

That is absolutely NOT true ........


To activate a more full “ usable “ spectrum you must run both. You will stimulate chlorophyll A and B when using all color channels. Your plants don’t get select light in nature , but a mix of various.
The instructions are garbage. It is a big noob mistake to run an all blue veg ( although you CAN supplement your lights with royal blues ). It’s not like running HPS / MH where the power and penetration is there ..... BLURPLE PANELS are ALWAYS throttled down in actual power as to lengthen it’s diode life. They use epistar / bridgelux pieces that cannot go the distance under high power demands. If I had a nickel for every god damn IR / UV diode on a board overheat , melt or just fail. One could actually DIY a different driver into a retail panel for higher output but it would fail quicker because of the shitty heatsink construction....... Don’t believe it .... pop any blurple panel open and look at the heatsink / TIM ...... MICROFIN BULLSHIT . TIM application spread .... sloppy and not uniform. These are considered throw away panels .... and most will get you a harvest or two before shit goes south ( mars especially ) .

The vipar runs cooler and better since I tinkered with it ... I scrape / alcohol wiped the crap TIM and thin coated ARTIC 5 instead. Some growers have even UPGRADED various leds on the PCB with either more IR or UV diodes in place of a few original diodes.


Solo seedlings under Vipar ( both switches on ) .....



I ran this panel for multiple grows and know this thing front to back. No matter what brand of blurple if it has channel / veg- bloom switches turn ALL ON. For entire grow.

It does make a difference. I normally wouldn’t defend a blurple panel BUT I used it and grew with it so I stand by what I say about it. This is in a 3x3 during a veg cycle and it bushed out well / tomato cage and all ... SHIVA SKUNK

I own a set of California light works, my friend bought the viperspecra I just helped him set up his grow room, the light is a cheap blurple Chinese knock off, yea I followed the directions leave plant in veg when plant starts to bloom turn on the other switch however i can tell you know much more than me, I payed 1,100 for my set of lights you are probably calling me a fool, there smallest veg master and bloom booster, these light are small easy to move no blurple allso a small footprint, I bouvbt clamp lights put a high watt led spot lights for side light so I improvise too, but when I grow in veg my clamp side lights are allso full spec, but I can tell your the expert here, and why did viperspecra makes such a bear of a light that thing has to weigh 10 or 15lbs, I grow a small guerrilla grow, 2 or 3 plants at a time, I probably got ripped off on my lights but in a tight space I'm happy, at least my lights aren't blurple

Actually ..... there was a time when BLURPLE was “ the new thing “ .... ironically.

Probably expensive as he'll back then to, but to be honest my friends viperspecra is a good veg light as long as you have a crane to move it lol, he is running useing directions, in veg his autos are nice, healthy and sarting to flower, now from what I heard of this light it not a very good bloom light, not enough red, I know this sounds like I'm an idiot but I do admit you know way more about lights than me, when i run my plants in veg in full spec, I allso use full speck clamps and full spec spots, so it's Kurt rigged but I'm running the same spec, how can it be good for a plant to run under 2 different light spectrum, I mean if I hung my veg master and my bloom booster side by side, I would GeT more light shure, would my plants grow and be healthy? Don't think so, and that is basically what you are telling the owner of the viperspecra to do run his plants under 2 different light spectrum at the same time, all i know is my boys plants are fine running in veg, when it comes time to flip the switch I'll try and help him flower his plants, but it makes no scence to me to run a plant in both veg and bloom 2 different spectrum at the same time?

Welp .... if you like undersized plants .... it on you. That NL should be bigger. It was something I grew before and know ... sensi NL auto. But there are many other breeders with “ their version “.

You spiel the same thing on different threads ... and forums.

Not sure what weight of panel has to do with anything ... my 4 QB rig weighs 20 pounds and hangs just fine. So not sure what that’s supposed to mean.

But back to the more important thing on this thread .... the OP.

If the OP wants to reach out and talk vipar ... I’m here

PEACE.

So I had thrips (moved the pepper plant out of the tent) but think I've removed them with a spinosad spray.

Not sure if it was thrips or not enough nutrients making the bottom leaves turn brown and die but the tops of the plants else seem well. Definitely getting thicker stems and bushier.

My one concern is they don't seem to grow vertical every much. Maybe strain genetics. That and getting a bit of lead curl.

I germininated a seed I found in some schwag seed that I'm growing for kicks and practice.

So I transported the pineapple Kush from a 2g fabric pot to a 5g fabric pot and the roots weren't as developed as I'd hoped (I don't know how to check/tell when they are ready to transport in fabric pots) but otherwise seems good.

The chicle is still in a 1g fabric pot and seems to be doing well other than the leaves/nodes seem overly cramped and squishing into each other. Should I move it further from the light to encourage some stretch?

Random bag seed seedlin doing good too.

Also, should I look to top or FIM the pineapple Kush soon? Would doing this maybe help the Chicle with its cramping issues?

FIMed the pineapple Kush today.

SNOLEPERD said:

I own a set of California light works, my friend bought the viperspecra I just helped him set up his grow room, the light is a cheap blurple Chinese knock off, yea I followed the directions leave plant in veg when plant starts to bloom turn on the other switch however i can tell you know much more than me, I payed 1,100 for my set of lights you are probably calling me a fool, there smallest veg master and bloom booster, these light are small easy to move no blurple allso a small footprint, I bouvbt clamp lights put a high watt led spot lights for side light so I improvise too, but when I grow in veg my clamp side lights are allso full spec, but I can tell your the expert here, and why did viperspecra makes such a bear of a light that thing has to weigh 10 or 15lbs, I grow a small guerrilla grow, 2 or 3 plants at a time, I probably got ripped off on my lights but in a tight space I'm happy, at least my lights aren't blurple

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You didn’t get ripped off those lights are good led lights from a company that puts research into their product and stands behind it. I own an older 880 the newer 1100 and the far red light they make plus the controller for the1100. I love it and I think you will too man.

Gave them a thorough spray to get rid of kites over the weekend and thinking of flipping them into flower pretty soon (grabbing a carbon filter system and some General Organiz big bloom nutes tonight).

Should I trim the two bushes a bit before flipping into flower?

Hi, just wondering how often you feed/water your plants?
It's just that 2 look a little droopy. I would let them dry out till pots are light- about 4-5 days since last feed and see does this perk them up a bit. .
Did you say you had mites or just suspected them? I'd not flip to 12/12 until you've sorted mites, if it is them, and check that you're not overwatering as it can lead to droop and root issues.
Good Luck!