The Truth About Flushing

Wolverine97 said:

I said I have never done a side by side using the GO line of nutrients. I just started using that lineup last crop.

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o ight man

Whats up everyone, I am a nOOb grower and I been following, reading and studying Riddle's Threads. I also practice his proven ways. Lumi and I were talking about this before and I figured since I have a plant that is ready why not give this a shot. So thanks Riddle for your research and letting me post this up here....

I am only on my 2nd grow and I have drowned 3 plants already and love it. I figured this time I wanted to try something a little different with drowning my plant using Molasses mixed with water. I want to see if anything different comes out of using Molasses with the water for killing off my plant. I feed my plants using Making It Rain...so with that in mind, I feed my plants with nutes literally till the end cause I flush minimum 3 times the size of the container. Now what I usually do when I drown my plant is I Make It Rain 3 days prior to drowning day but no nutes, just 5.8pH water. Then I start drowning with plain water.

This time instead of me using plain water I am mixing 1 Tablespoon of Molasses to 1 Gallon of Water. I think thats enough molasses for the drowning. I am using a 3 gallon bucket and a heavy rock. I have used this rock for 2 previous drownings. I did this today, so when my plant woke up this morning after an hour of the lights being on, I drowned her...LOL I love it. Hopefully something good comes out of this, if not at least I gave it a shot. Well I will keep you all posted if your interested and will take pics as the days go by. Hopefully it works out good.

Blackstrap and after it was mixed with water



Here is my R.Ed Kush Plant (Mom:White OG Kush / Dad:OG Kush x Lemon Chem Dawg).
Before and start of drowning



Here is some Drowning Bud Porn my Bubba Kush Plant
I drowned her in Feb....awesome smoke after drowning her!!!!



Peace All

BKB

I've done flush and no flush and seen no difference in any part of the plant incl the roots. I'm flushing when the plant is near the end of its life cycle. I don't care about stress. In fact, I think it is the stress that prompts the plant to squeeze out the last of thc. I add 1 teaspoon per gallon (DWC) of raw honey. I think I'm getting better taste and yield with this as opposed to running nutes right up till chopping.

Illegal Smile said:

I've done flush and no flush and seen no difference in any part of the plant incl the roots. I'm flushing when the plant is near the end of its life cycle. I don't care about stress. In fact, I think it is the stress that prompts the plant to squeeze out the last of thc. I add 1 teaspoon per gallon (DWC) of raw honey. I think I'm getting better taste and yield with this as opposed to running nutes right up till chopping.

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we all explained what it does...and it causes the tree to go into a fight for survival causing it to ferment...when drowning u ferment the carbs and sugars...almost like a jar cure without the jar...so u should see the diff. in taste, quality, and high cuz its been cured longer/better

I jumped to the end, but IMHO flushing does indeed work.

I grow in hydro - aero/nft with net cups and no medioum. When I flush I start with clear water and a cleaned filter. Within a day, I can see the water dark again. I flush it out several days in a row and I can see the roots lighten up in color and the water remain mostly clear at the end.

One thing I always hear as a hydro grower is that organic, soil grown weed tastes much better. Why is that? Possibly, because you are smoking actual shit and other organic matter in the weed? I prefer to taste the actual cannabis, not the medium it was grown in. As Hank Hill says, "Taste the meat, not the heat".

I wonder if the "myth" factor comes just from dirt growers. I personally don't see how you get a good flush in soil without removing the plant from the pot and largely rinsing the roots clean.

westmich said:

I jumped to the end,......

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Then you missed all the important stuff.

westmich said:

I personally don't see how you get a good flush in soil without removing the plant from the pot and largely rinsing the roots clean.

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You don't smoke the roots.

westmich said:

I jumped to the end, but IMHO flushing does indeed work.

I grow in hydro - aero/nft with net cups and no medioum. When I flush I start with clear water and a cleaned filter. Within a day, I can see the water dark again. I flush it out several days in a row and I can see the roots lighten up in color and the water remain mostly clear at the end.

One thing I always hear as a hydro grower is that organic, soil grown weed tastes much better. Why is that? Possibly, because you are smoking actual shit and other organic matter in the weed? I prefer to taste the actual cannabis, not the medium it was grown in. As Hank Hill says, "Taste the meat, not the heat".

I wonder if the "myth" factor comes just from dirt growers. I personally don't see how you get a good flush in soil without removing the plant from the pot and largely rinsing the roots clean.

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There are many more compounds in an organic soil than there is in a lifeless hydro system, that's what accounts for the flavor difference. It's no different than comparing the pink/hard hydro tomatoes at the grocery store with a fresh juicy vine ripened tomato from your neighborhood veggy stand. There is no comparison in the quality. Same goes for weed in my experience. Nutrient companies are beginning to make strides in this dept though, and I expect that within the next ten years hydro quality will have improved greatly, until then it's soil for me.

Wolverine97 said:

It's no different than comparing the pink/hard hydro tomatoes at the grocery store with a fresh juicy vine ripened tomato from your neighborhood veggy stand. There is no comparison in the quality. Same goes for weed in my experience.

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Your tomato example has nothing to do with hydro vs soil and everything to do with ripe vs. unripe. Same goes for the peppers or the avocados or the mangos etc, etc. They're picked prematurely to 'ripen' in the store.

it all comes down to you cannot flush a plant ...all you are doing is depriving it of nutrients....that is it.....nothing gets washed out of the plant ever...and as to the leaves need to be yellow any way...why is that when you don't smoke the leaves you smoke the flowers ...and when the leaves turn yellow it means the nutrients are GOING TO THE FLOWERS (BUDS) WHICH YOU DO SMOKE so how is it making any difference as to what is in the part you smoke? By that line of thought you should starve it until the buds turn yellow as well...but why doesn't anyone do that? Because starving it reduces yield and potency...therefore why do it at all? Because it makes you feel better? As that is the only positive affect it can have...so if it makes you feel better go for it....just think it through rather than blindly believing what you were told or read

Namaste'

I don't think I have posted yet, but followed the whole thread! Lol its amazing the shit you hear round hear. I do passive hydro in a rez, and my nutrient solution or plain water is always clear, going in coming out. Taste is in the harvest 90% of the time. Remember though, riddlemes point of the thread was to share information he researched and then proved. It was not to convince anyone but to give valid arguement to both sides of the equation. Happy growing everyone

homebrewer said:

Your tomato example has nothing to do with hydro vs soil and everything to do with ripe vs. unripe. Same goes for the peppers or the avocados or the mangos etc, etc. They're picked prematurely to 'ripen' in the store.

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While you're correct that they're picked early and allowed to ripen during transport/storage, but that's not exclusive of hydroponic tomatoes. There are plenty of good quality soil grown tomatoes that are harvested the same way (many from mexico for example) and they look and taste fine, not as good as vine ripened, but fine nonetheless. I've yet to find a tomato labeled "hydroponic" that had the good color and complexity of flavor that their soil grown counterparts do (vine ripened or no). I'm not saying it isn't possible to grow good tasting tomatoes in a hydro system with chemical nutrients, but the vast majority are poor quality.

There was an article (I'll look for it) I read a couple years back explaining what some of the different organic compounds in the soil did specifically to improve the flavor of strawberries and tomatoes in particular, as these are the two crops that people complain most about when grown hydro. Again, I'm not saying you can't achieve good flavor with hydro, but that in general soil grown will taste better. Opinion.

Quick update on my drowning with molasses.... Hope you dont mind me posting a pic of my plant everyday till she is dead RM3?

So I added another 3 Tablespoons of Molasses to the mix so I have a total of 6 Tablespoons of Molasses to 3 Gallons of water. Now it looks like she is drowning is some Black Oil!!! She is getting yellow....she is pulling the "N" a lot quicker than I actually thought. These pics are taken this morning about 2 hours after my lights came on. I am also noticing the clawing affect of her leaves too.



Peace All

BKB

again awesome and thanx....the claw is from the increased sodium from the molasses....think it will be of benefit to the process....yes the n is quite successfully blocked another confirmation of what I expected to see...there is your proof that sugars block n absorption but DO NOT aid in the leeching....as this was only added not run through so the n is still there but not absorbed by the plant as are the other nutrients...I feel this will accelerate the plants change into fermentation mode....and possibly whatever simple sugars absorbed will add fuel for the fermentation... should be a quicker and more thorough cure prior to Senescence which also should accelerate...final product will tell the truth....awesome dude

Namaste'

bekindbud said:

Quick update on my drowning with molasses.... Hope you dont mind me posting a pic of my plant everyday till she is dead RM3?

So I added another 3 Tablespoons of Molasses to the mix so I have a total of 6 Tablespoons of Molasses to 3 Gallons of water. Now it looks like she is drowning is some Black Oil!!! She is getting yellow....she is pulling the "N" a lot quicker than I actually thought. These pics are taken this morning about 2 hours after my lights came on. I am also noticing the clawing affect of her leaves too.

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Peace All

BKB

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Careful with how much molasses you use there, I've heard too much can cause your weed to caramelize when burning. I've never seen this myself, because I never exceed 1tb/gal but take it fwiw.

Wolverine97 said:

Careful with how much molasses you use there, I've heard too much can cause your weed to caramelize when burning. I've never seen this myself, because I never exceed 1tb/gal but take it fwiw.

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Thanks for the info much appreciated, I guess I will see when its time to smoke.

bekindbud said:

Thanks for the info much appreciated, I guess I will see when its time to smoke.

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As it is during the drowning I feel it will add fuel to the fire so to speck and cause a thorough cure...the sugars are converting to alcohol as long as you drown her to death it should make for some super cured bud...that's my hypothesis and from what I am seeing thus far it is right on track to what I envisioned occurring... If not for the drowning then I may be concerned as to wolverine's advice which is valid but not so much as we are making the plant ferment before it dies

Namaste'

Off-topic, but I just noticed the giant wang in lumi's avatar.

rasputin71 said:

Off-topic, but I just noticed the giant wang in lumi's avatar.

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Yeah I mentioned that to him before in my thread. It took me awhile to figure it out....LOL

anyone else hear a loud THUD?

lol that some funny shit

rasputin71 said:

Off-topic, but I just noticed the giant wang in lumi's avatar.

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