The Truth About Flushing

Odin*

Odin*

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RM3 said:
Well if ya had read the whole thread you would have seen I did back on page 23

Tis totally not my fault that folks that want to learn how to grow plants don't read botany books?

But hey, I'll copy it here for ya,,,,,,,,

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Green plants require oxygen for normal growth and development. The energy released in cellular respiration, from the breakdown of carbohydrates and complex organic molecules, consumes oxygen and releases CO2. Most plants respire continuously, day and night, requiring a continuous supply of oxygen. Anaerobic respiration or fermentation occurs in the absence of oxygen. The products of this form of respiration are often deleterious to the plant and the energy released is relatively small compared to aerobic respiration. Roots also require oxygen for aerobic respiration which they obtain directly from the growing media. The absorption of salts and root extension are dependent upon the energy supplied from respiration.
From Here ,,,,
https://www.hydrofarm.com/resources/articles/factors_plantgrowth.php
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You're alleging that anaerobic respiration in plants that are trying to SURVIVE a flood proves that boiling roots will help a dying plant cure "faster".

I took this from your post;

"Anaerobic respiration or fermentation occurs in the absence of oxygen. The products of this form of respiration are often deleterious to the plant and the energy released is relatively small compared to aerobic respiration."

Deleterious to the plant, that means harmful, which means STRESS.

Also from that same passage;

"Roots also require oxygen for aerobic respiration which they obtain directly from the growing media."

"Roots also" and "growing media" separates the oxygen requirements of the "plant" (leaves) from it's root system, so boiling the roots and killing them does not then force the "plant" to forgoe aerobic respiration. The above soil portion of the plant undergoes aerobic respiration, independent of the root system. "Floods" that would force anaerobic respiration would need to completely submerge the plant. There are plants that can continue photosynthesis as well as fend off disease while completely submerged in order to survive such a flood. Cannabis is not one of those plants. Try it out, completely submerge a rooted clone/teen/late flower plant under water for a week.

Going back to the stress imposed upon the poor plants. Once "severed" from the roots, the plant tries desperately to survive, as does a freshly cut "clone". However, the requirements of late flower, as well as the mature plants mass, do not allow it time to develop an ample root system to survive. Though respiration continues, transporation is no longer possible as the plant is not able to draw in water/nutrients via it's (now "cooked") root system. The plant sweats (you've stated before that you leave the light schedule running), but isn't able to replenish itself. This forces the plant to draw from all it's resources, including the buds, as it struggles to transpire, continue photosynthesis, and make a futile attempt at developing new roots.


In a nutshell; boiling the roots causes STRESS. Forcing the plant to undergo anaerobic respiration (completely submerged) would also cause STRESS, as well as some wicked bud rot.

I'm sorry, but "Tis totally not my fault that folks that want to learn how to grow plants don't read/UNDERSTAND botany books."



Not trying to be rude, just separating fact from fiction.
 
RM3

RM3

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Take 2 clones from the same mom, boil one and don't boil one, do everything else like ya always do and then get back to me 8)

I know 100's of growers that do this and guess what, it works exactly as stated
 
Odin*

Odin*

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RM3 said:
Take 2 clones from the same mom, boil one and don't boil one, do everything else like ya always do and then get back to me 8)

I know 100's of growers that do this and guess what, it works exactly as stated
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"Works" in what way? As I stated above, the plant isn't "curing" after the boil, it is severely stressed and struggling to survive. It doesn't "work exactly as stated" because "exactly as stated" is not how it works. It's botany, you can't state that you're following the science/botany behind the matter, when the science/bottany completely contradicts your assertions.

In all honesty, I believe that your limited space is what has prompted you to look for "alternative" methods to "cure", while continuing "bloom" with other plants (in a staggered schedule). You don't have space for a proper cure (dark/temp/humidity), so you're forced to find other means.


I'm tempted to try it. Not because I have even the slightest inkling that it will "work", but to put to rest this nonsense. I have enough plants that sacrificing one for the cause wouldn't be an issue (though I would feel horrible about the plant being sacrificed in vain, utterly "fucked), but I highly doubt that I could get you to acknowledge my results without bias (i.e.; you'd just say I did it "wrong").



Again, I mean no disrespect, this is just based on the "actual" science and my own impressions. I often test out new methods/gear, but I wouldn't even mention it here if it didn't have merit.
 
Mr.Head

Mr.Head

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RM3 said:
Take 2 clones from the same mom, boil one and don't boil one, do everything else like ya always do and then get back to me 8)

I know 100's of growers that do this and guess what, it works exactly as stated
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Ahhh yes the ol'fall back. You can't actually prove it scientifically so you tell others to fuck up their garden.

You're the worst kind... charlatan. Snake oil salesman.

We all know you're going to tell him he did it wrong when it fucks up his plant. You already pull this shit with your seeds and their stupid fucking guarantee. Med Man claims a lot of the shit you do, his ego is so large he even claims he invented raised beds and flood/drain tables, even a man with an ego that big doesn't guarantee every fucking seed is a keeper and I guarantee his genetics are better than yours as he has actually won awards for them.

I'm not as nice as Odin, my disrespect is completely intentional. People spreading misinformation are the worst.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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RM3 said:
Take 2 clones from the same mom, boil one and don't boil one, do everything else like ya always do and then get back to me 8)

I know 100's of growers that do this and guess what, it works exactly as stated
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You don't know 100's of growers that do this.

You claimed science. Odin gave you a lesson. You didn't listen no matter how many times I linked proof of the science either.

You are unable to admit you are wrong. Therefore you are unable to learn and improve.

You should stick to your fraternity. You are outed as a permanent noob here. One of the sillier ones.

But it has been entertaining watching you crash and burn after you made a personal message I sent you public just because you didn't like my opinion and tried to use it against me.

Sharing that message without my permission on your supposedly safe and private website makes you a rat.

So you can't be trusted and in time no one will listen to you anymore.

I will repeat the quote I told you once and you thought it was about someone else. But I was referring to you.

Some people gain 20 years of experience in their craft.

And some gain 1 year of experience and repeat it 20 times.

Guess which one you are? Lol

Bye bye Rm3.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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i tried it once, just to see what happened. they did cure faster, but i think its not much of an advantage unless you have a lot of room to put dead plants in pots in. you gain maybe 3 or 4 days on the cure, but the plants sitting there for the same 3 or 4 days before you chop it...so not much of an advantage to me.
the actual science behind it is to mimic a plants response to flood conditions, which make it start to consume carbs and produce alcohol esters internally. it works, but in the end it didn't seem to gain me any actual time.
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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whats the cost of boiling all the water for the harvest?
whats the issue with using a controlled drying room with repeatable results like I do for a perfect cure everytime?

this is on the same line in my mind as growers that bury their weed till it molds to get the perfect cure. or ones that submerge in water to somehow remove their golf course hay smells/flavors increase their potency by weight etc.

after real deal proven medical genetics were acquired I found no reason to want for increased anything except plant counts and patients. I dont need to train, trick, starve, over feed, pray, boil, burn, poke, pour, spray to achieve success.

I get it though if my weed consistently sucked I'd be into the voodoo looking for tricks too. And when one of them worked I'd credit the trick also, if I was 14. "I added water this one time and my plant exploded, but it has to be Aquafina to work"

I've found by providing the plant and its environment everything they need for plants to flourish is paramount. From seedling to dry each step is equally important for my success. My plants know exactly what to do when I provide for them. My electricity is successfully transformed into the best marijuanas I've ever experienced.

I suggest doing what I do if you want my brand of success.
If not then do what you do to achieve your brand of success.
I'm going to keep doing what I do because I love what I get each time I repeat it.
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
i tried it once, just to see what happened. they did cure faster, but i think its not much of an advantage unless you have a lot of room to put dead plants in pots in. you gain maybe 3 or 4 days on the cure, but the plants sitting there for the same 3 or 4 days before you chop it...so not much of an advantage to me.
the actual science behind it is to mimic a plants response to flood conditions, which make it start to consume carbs and produce alcohol esters internally. it works, but in the end it didn't seem to gain me any actual time.
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I bet there's other grower habits, maybe with a more natural feel, that would also

"make it start to consume carbs and produce alcohol esters internally." ?
 
BobCajun

BobCajun

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If it's a reaction to flooding then why the boiling water? Gratuitous root abuse? Why not just put the pot inside a plastic bag and flood it and leave the water in there for a few days? Maybe the roots need to be alive in the water to make the plant react. They would then slowly die, rather than being instantly killed. Could just cause mold, I don't know. My method is simply to let the medium get drier and drier as harvest day gets closer, going longer between waterings and using plain water. At the very end they're starting to show signs of drying the hell out.

I also give them at least 12 hours of dark before chopping. It usually amounts to 12-24 as I gradually harvest the plants. Makes the product much smoother than harvesting in the light, with all that stored up starch in there. It feels noticeably more resinous at 24 than 12, I just have a pretty tight schedule so like to get it taken care of quickly. If I started at 24 it wouldn't all be harvested until about 36, because I clean each plant down to pure bud one by one as chopped. No hanging.
 
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Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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just sitting it in a larger pot full of water and drowning the roots would do the same thing, i think the point of the boiling water is to kill the roots faster, making the whole process take less time, but as i said above, i don't think it saves enough to make it worth the effort
 
RM3

RM3

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Once again, if ya read the whole thread, you'd know that doin the flood thing increases the risk of mold.

And Odin actually confirmed the science but I'm guessin most missed it

I have no need to waste time trying to convince folks, I honestly could care less how you or others grow. Sure there are folks that follow me and even do the things I teach and I'll merely continue to enjoy the feed back I get from em while others continue to grow in their style and enjoy their harvest.

Always more than one way to do a thing and none of em are wrong 8)
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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RM3 said:
Once again, if ya read the whole thread, you'd know that doin the flood thing increases the risk of mold.

And Odin actually confirmed the science but I'm guessin most missed it

I have no need to waste time trying to convince folks, I honestly could care less how you or others grow. Sure there are folks that follow me and even do the things I teach and I'll merely continue to enjoy the feed back I get from em while others continue to grow in their style and enjoy their harvest.

Always more than one way to do a thing and none of em are wrong 8)
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You are perpetually dis-honest.

Odin linked science that shows you have mis-understood the information from the start.

And after years of saying your way is better now none of the other ways are wrong.

You wrote in a thread that I couldn't grow great pot in Ocean Forest.

But it is actually because you failed to grow good tomatoes in it and you blame products rather than yourself.

But now you push multiple fertilizers to get the job done. And a booster. Guess you haven't quite figured out how simple it is to grow plants.

You are just generally full of shit. Please shut up already.
 
RM3

RM3

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MichiganMedGrower said:
You are perpetually dis-honest.

Odin linked science that shows you have mis-understood the information from the start.

And after years of saying your way is better now none of the other ways are wrong.

You wrote in a thread that I couldn't grow great pot in Ocean Forest.

But it is actually because you failed to grow good tomatoes in it and you blame products rather than yourself.

But now you push multiple fertilizers to get the job done. And a booster. Guess you haven't quite figured out how simple it is to grow plants.

You are just generally full of shit. Please shut up already.
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Better look again, there is a difference between aerobic and anaerobic

There is also a difference between better and wrong LOL

I've never used a booster

When I'm full of shit I generally take a dump

and why shut up when arguing with you is so much fun LMAO
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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RM3 said:
Better look again, there is a difference between aerobic and anaerobic

There is also a difference between better and wrong LOL

I've never used a booster

When I'm full of shit I generally take a dump

and why shut up when arguing with you is so much fun LMAO
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Again. I understand the science. You still don't.

Your weed is not better. I have tried it myself. And others here and in Colorado report the same.

The potassium sulfate you continually dump in your pots is being used as a booster over your base nutes.

And I'm good. Have all the fun you want. Your credibility is worse every post you make and your seed seller has not helped on the customer service end eh?

I'm not trying to sell the people here anything. You are the carnival shill.

I am still trying to figure out how the guy with the best weed in the world needs us to make donations to his business plan.

And how low your tolerance must be if that CTF you gave my friend gets you as high as you advertise.
 
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