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Bunduki

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EFFECT OF SUMMER PRUNING ON FRUIT SET AND YIELD Summer pruning resulted in favourable influence in relation to better fruit set and yield in pruned mango trees (Lal et al., 2000; Sharma and Singh, 2006). Ingle et al. (2001) reported that medium pruning recorded the highest value for the number of flowers per shoot of acid lime trees. Sharma and Chauhan (2004) recorded the highest fruit yield in lightly pruned trees where 25% of current season’s growth was removed than the moderate and severely pruned trees where 50 and 75% of the current season’s growth were removed, respectively in peach. Kumar et al. (2005) reported in Sharbati, Flordasun and Prabhat cvs. of peach that among the three pruning intensities namely, light, medium and severe; light pruning induced early flowering and also increased the number of flowers as compared to other pruning treatments.


Hansen (1978) found higher translocation rates of photosynthates and fruit growth with exposure to full sun conditions in contrast to deficient light conditions within the canopy.

Tree fruits with a high leaf-to-fruit ratio, as in young plants or those with a low fruit load, often form large fruits with a “spongy” tissue which reduces postharvest life and increases susceptibility to diseases (Fischer and Friedrich, 2000). As fruit density increases, the leaf-tofruit ratio decreases, resulting in a lower supply of photosynthate per fruit; fruit size therefore decreases (Dennis, 1996; figure 4), along with insufficient color and flavor (Schumacher, 1989). Optimal leaf area in several fruit species is 200 cm2 per 100 g of fresh fruit mass for favorable growth and quality (Fischer, 2011). Furthermore, grapes require twice this value (table 2). The increase in leaf-fruit ratio may facilitate the accumulation of starch reserves, favoring vegetative growth and fruiting in the following season (Chacko et al., 1982). Grapevines doubled the root starch concentration from 12 to 25% DW when the leaf-fruit ratio increased from 0.5 to 2.0 m2 of light-exposed leaf area per kg fruit (Zufferey et al., 2012). The rate of sucrose accumulation for the Satsuma mandarin in the fruit was higher at a normal load (25 leaves/fruit), as compared to trees with 50 leaves per fruit (thinning at 70 days after anthesis) (Kubo et al., 2001). Thinning of 10, 25, 50,100 and 150 leaves per fruit in the mango ‘Lirfa’ (grafted on ‘Maison Rouge’) resulted in the highest fresh weight of fruit at 100 leaves


Quality and storage life of kiwifruit were investigated on fruits from shaded and exposed positions of the canopy and on fruits artificially shaded and grown in absence of light. At harvest the fruits grown in high light intensity have a high quality and can be stored for a long time; after 25 weeks of cool storage they have a soluble solids concentration > 14° Brix and a flesh firmness of c. 10 N. Fruits from shaded positions of the canopy showed significantly lower mean fresh weight and chlorophyll content (‐35%); at harvest and during storage they were slightly but consistently less firm and had lower soluble solids concentration than exposed fruits. Artificial shading of individual fruit for most of the growing season significantly reduced chlorophyll content in the mesocarp (‐77%), starch and alcohol‐soluble sugars concentration, flesh firmness, soluble content and dry matter, whereas the titratable acidity was significantly increased. The storage life of artificially shaded fruits was significantly reduced in comparison with exposed fruits, with significant increase in weight loss and fruit disease.
 

zeddd

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EFFECT OF SUMMER PRUNING ON FRUIT SET AND YIELD Summer pruning resulted in favourable influence in relation to better fruit set and yield in pruned mango trees (Lal et al., 2000; Sharma and Singh, 2006). Ingle et al. (2001) reported that medium pruning recorded the highest value for the number of flowers per shoot of acid lime trees. Sharma and Chauhan (2004) recorded the highest fruit yield in lightly pruned trees where 25% of current season’s growth was removed than the moderate and severely pruned trees where 50 and 75% of the current season’s growth were removed, respectively in peach. Kumar et al. (2005) reported in Sharbati, Flordasun and Prabhat cvs. of peach that among the three pruning intensities namely, light, medium and severe; light pruning induced early flowering and also increased the number of flowers as compared to other pruning treatments.


Hansen (1978) found higher translocation rates of photosynthates and fruit growth with exposure to full sun conditions in contrast to deficient light conditions within the canopy.

Tree fruits with a high leaf-to-fruit ratio, as in young plants or those with a low fruit load, often form large fruits with a “spongy” tissue which reduces postharvest life and increases susceptibility to diseases (Fischer and Friedrich, 2000). As fruit density increases, the leaf-tofruit ratio decreases, resulting in a lower supply of photosynthate per fruit; fruit size therefore decreases (Dennis, 1996; figure 4), along with insufficient color and flavor (Schumacher, 1989). Optimal leaf area in several fruit species is 200 cm2 per 100 g of fresh fruit mass for favorable growth and quality (Fischer, 2011). Furthermore, grapes require twice this value (table 2). The increase in leaf-fruit ratio may facilitate the accumulation of starch reserves, favoring vegetative growth and fruiting in the following season (Chacko et al., 1982). Grapevines doubled the root starch concentration from 12 to 25% DW when the leaf-fruit ratio increased from 0.5 to 2.0 m2 of light-exposed leaf area per kg fruit (Zufferey et al., 2012). The rate of sucrose accumulation for the Satsuma mandarin in the fruit was higher at a normal load (25 leaves/fruit), as compared to trees with 50 leaves per fruit (thinning at 70 days after anthesis) (Kubo et al., 2001). Thinning of 10, 25, 50,100 and 150 leaves per fruit in the mango ‘Lirfa’ (grafted on ‘Maison Rouge’) resulted in the highest fresh weight of fruit at 100 leaves


Quality and storage life of kiwifruit were investigated on fruits from shaded and exposed positions of the canopy and on fruits artificially shaded and grown in absence of light. At harvest the fruits grown in high light intensity have a high quality and can be stored for a long time; after 25 weeks of cool storage they have a soluble solids concentration > 14° Brix and a flesh firmness of c. 10 N. Fruits from shaded positions of the canopy showed significantly lower mean fresh weight and chlorophyll content (‐35%); at harvest and during storage they were slightly but consistently less firm and had lower soluble solids concentration than exposed fruits. Artificial shading of individual fruit for most of the growing season significantly reduced chlorophyll content in the mesocarp (‐77%), starch and alcohol‐soluble sugars concentration, flesh firmness, soluble content and dry matter, whereas the titratable acidity was significantly increased. The storage life of artificially shaded fruits was significantly reduced in comparison with exposed fruits, with significant increase in weight loss and fruit disease.
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dazzyballz

Well-Known Member
Now all the cunt can do is take snippets out of context to try and prove his point, yet if he read the whole section on each plant properly his 'out of context' snippets would destroy his point like they did in the first place.



Cotton yield goes up because THE PLANT DOESN'T GET BOLL ROT, thus not losing any yield to said rot.
The yield isn't increased because plant has produced more cotton, the yield is increased because you don't lose as much to rot!

Similarly the grape yield is increased because you haven't lost as much to fruit rot because it's been defoliated to increase AIRFLOW, thus reducing the possibility of fruit rot and making the bunches less dense!


Fuck me the lad can't think rationally or with a smidgen of logic at all.
He just takes things out of context and sees what he wants to see.



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EFFECT OF SUMMER PRUNING ON FRUIT SET AND YIELD Summer pruning resulted in favourable influence in relation to better fruit set and yield in pruned mango trees (Lal et al., 2000; Sharma and Singh, 2006). Ingle et al. (2001) reported that medium pruning recorded the highest value for the number of flowers per shoot of acid lime trees. Sharma and Chauhan (2004) recorded the highest fruit yield in lightly pruned trees where 25% of current season’s growth was removed than the moderate and severely pruned trees where 50 and 75% of the current season’s growth were removed, respectively in peach. Kumar et al. (2005) reported in Sharbati, Flordasun and Prabhat cvs. of peach that among the three pruning intensities namely, light, medium and severe; light pruning induced early flowering and also increased the number of flowers as compared to other pruning treatments.


Hansen (1978) found higher translocation rates of photosynthates and fruit growth with exposure to full sun conditions in contrast to deficient light conditions within the canopy.

Tree fruits with a high leaf-to-fruit ratio, as in young plants or those with a low fruit load, often form large fruits with a “spongy” tissue which reduces postharvest life and increases susceptibility to diseases (Fischer and Friedrich, 2000). As fruit density increases, the leaf-tofruit ratio decreases, resulting in a lower supply of photosynthate per fruit; fruit size therefore decreases (Dennis, 1996; figure 4), along with insufficient color and flavor (Schumacher, 1989). Optimal leaf area in several fruit species is 200 cm2 per 100 g of fresh fruit mass for favorable growth and quality (Fischer, 2011). Furthermore, grapes require twice this value (table 2). The increase in leaf-fruit ratio may facilitate the accumulation of starch reserves, favoring vegetative growth and fruiting in the following season (Chacko et al., 1982). Grapevines doubled the root starch concentration from 12 to 25% DW when the leaf-fruit ratio increased from 0.5 to 2.0 m2 of light-exposed leaf area per kg fruit (Zufferey et al., 2012). The rate of sucrose accumulation for the Satsuma mandarin in the fruit was higher at a normal load (25 leaves/fruit), as compared to trees with 50 leaves per fruit (thinning at 70 days after anthesis) (Kubo et al., 2001). Thinning of 10, 25, 50,100 and 150 leaves per fruit in the mango ‘Lirfa’ (grafted on ‘Maison Rouge’) resulted in the highest fresh weight of fruit at 100 leaves


Quality and storage life of kiwifruit were investigated on fruits from shaded and exposed positions of the canopy and on fruits artificially shaded and grown in absence of light. At harvest the fruits grown in high light intensity have a high quality and can be stored for a long time; after 25 weeks of cool storage they have a soluble solids concentration > 14° Brix and a flesh firmness of c. 10 N. Fruits from shaded positions of the canopy showed significantly lower mean fresh weight and chlorophyll content (‐35%); at harvest and during storage they were slightly but consistently less firm and had lower soluble solids concentration than exposed fruits. Artificial shading of individual fruit for most of the growing season significantly reduced chlorophyll content in the mesocarp (‐77%), starch and alcohol‐soluble sugars concentration, flesh firmness, soluble content and dry matter, whereas the titratable acidity was significantly increased. The storage life of artificially shaded fruits was significantly reduced in comparison with exposed fruits, with significant increase in weight loss and fruit disease.
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Bunduki

Active Member
lmao.

Now all the cunt can do is take snippets out of context to try and prove his point, yet if he read the whole section on each plant properly his 'out of context' snippets would make sense and the post destroy his point like they did in the first place.



Cotton yield goes up because THE PLANT DOESN'T GET BOLL ROT, thus not losing any yield to said rot.
The yield isn't increased because plant has produced more cotton, the yield is increased because you don't lose as much to rot!
Read it again. 6.Potential stimulation of boll opening, which can increase earliness, yield, and profit. That's in addition to helping prevent boll rot you fuckwit.

Similarly the grape yield is increased because you haven't lost as much to fruit rot because it's been defoliated to increase AIRFLOW and make the BUNCHES LESS DENSE thus reducing the possibility of fruit rot!
Leaf removal in the fruiting zone is a classical vineyard management practice in applied during the summer, from fruit set to veraison (Reynolds et al., 1996). It is a pivotal operation on high-density canopies to improve clusters' microclimate (e.g., light exposure and air circulation) that reduces conditions favorable to bunch rot complex diseases (Percival et al., 1994; Reynolds et al., 1986, 1996; Zoecklein et al., 1992) while improving fruit quality (Smart et al., 1990), in particular berry pigmentation (Bureau et al., 2000; Kliewer and Antcliff, 1970; Lakso and Kliewer, 1975).


Fuck me the lad can't think rationally or with a smidgen of logic at all.
He just takes things out of context and sees what he wants to see.



...............:roll:
I guess the last post was a bit too complex for you since you didn't understand it's relevance, they're talking about how exposure to light rather than being shaded under a canopy improved fruit quality and yield.
 

oscaroscar

Well-Known Member
Read it again. 6.Potential stimulation of boll opening, which can increase earliness, yield, and profit. That's in addition to helping prevent boll rot you fuckwit.



Leaf removal in the fruiting zone is a classical vineyard management practice in applied during the summer, from fruit set to veraison (Reynolds et al., 1996). It is a pivotal operation on high-density canopies to improve clusters' microclimate (e.g., light exposure and air circulation) that reduces conditions favorable to bunch rot complex diseases (Percival et al., 1994; Reynolds et al., 1986, 1996; Zoecklein et al., 1992) while improving fruit quality (Smart et al., 1990), in particular berry pigmentation (Bureau et al., 2000; Kliewer and Antcliff, 1970; Lakso and Kliewer, 1975).




I guess the last post was a bit too complex for you since you didn't understand it's relevance, they're talking about how exposure to light rather than being shaded under a canopy improved fruit quality and yield.
I've never put anyone on ignore but I think that's about to change. Well done.
 

Bunduki

Active Member
I think I found the mechanism.

Low red light/far-red light ratio (R:FR) serves as an indicator of impending competition and has been demonstrated to suppress branch development. The regulation of Arabidopsis (Arabidopsis thaliana) rosette bud outgrowth by theR:FRand the associated mechanisms were investigated at several levels. Growth under lowR:FRsuppressed outgrowth of the third from topmost bud (bud n-2) but not that of the topmost bud. Subsequently increasing theR:FRnear the time of anthesis promotedbud n-2outgrowth and reduced topmost bud growth. Buds from specific rosette positions, exhibiting divergent fates to increasedR:FR, were harvested 3 h after modifying theR:FRand were used to conduct ATH1 microarray-based transcriptome profiling. Differentially expressed genes showed enrichment of light signaling and hormone-related Gene Ontology terms and promoter motifs, most notably those associated with abscisic acid (ABA). Genes associated withABAbiosynthesis, including the key biosynthetic geneNINE-CIS-EPOXYCAROTENOID DIOXYGENASE3(NCED3), and withABAsignaling were expressed at higher levels in the responsivebud n-2, and increasing theR:FRdecreased their expression only inbud n-2.ABAabundance in responsive buds decreased within 12 h of increasing theR:FR, while indole-3-acetic acid levels did not change. A role forABAin repressing bud outgrowth from lower positions under lowR:FRwas demonstrated using thenced3-2andaba2-1ABAbiosynthesis mutants, which showed enhanced branching and a defectivebud n-2outgrowth response to lowR:FR. The results provide evidence thatABAregulates bud outgrowth responses to theR:FRand thus extend the known hormonal pathways associated with the regulation of branching and shade avoidance.

Translation for you:- More infra-red light than red light inhibit's the growth of lower buds.

Chlorophyll in leaves absorbs red and blue light, around 650nm and 450 nm respectively and reflects green spectrum light.

The majority of light that passes through leaves therefore is higher in far-red light (since this is neither absorbed nor reflected) than red.

There's some logic for ya Yorkie.
 

oscaroscar

Well-Known Member
I think I found the mechanism.

Low red light/far-red light ratio (R:FR) serves as an indicator of impending competition and has been demonstrated to suppress branch development. The regulation of Arabidopsis (Arabidopsis thaliana) rosette bud outgrowth by theR:FRand the associated mechanisms were investigated at several levels. Growth under lowR:FRsuppressed outgrowth of the third from topmost bud (bud n-2) but not that of the topmost bud. Subsequently increasing theR:FRnear the time of anthesis promotedbud n-2outgrowth and reduced topmost bud growth. Buds from specific rosette positions, exhibiting divergent fates to increasedR:FR, were harvested 3 h after modifying theR:FRand were used to conduct ATH1 microarray-based transcriptome profiling. Differentially expressed genes showed enrichment of light signaling and hormone-related Gene Ontology terms and promoter motifs, most notably those associated with abscisic acid (ABA). Genes associated withABAbiosynthesis, including the key biosynthetic geneNINE-CIS-EPOXYCAROTENOID DIOXYGENASE3(NCED3), and withABAsignaling were expressed at higher levels in the responsivebud n-2, and increasing theR:FRdecreased their expression only inbud n-2.ABAabundance in responsive buds decreased within 12 h of increasing theR:FR, while indole-3-acetic acid levels did not change. A role forABAin repressing bud outgrowth from lower positions under lowR:FRwas demonstrated using thenced3-2andaba2-1ABAbiosynthesis mutants, which showed enhanced branching and a defectivebud n-2outgrowth response to lowR:FR. The results provide evidence thatABAregulates bud outgrowth responses to theR:FRand thus extend the known hormonal pathways associated with the regulation of branching and shade avoidance.

Translation for you:- More infra-red light than red light inhibit's the growth of lower buds.

Chlorophyll in leaves absorbs red and blue light, around 650nm and 450 nm respectively and reflects green spectrum light.

The majority of light that passes through leaves therefore is higher in far-red light (since this is neither absorbed nor reflected) than red.

There's some logic for ya Yorkie.
Fuck me. You're still at it?
Knock it off for fucks sake
 

theslipperbandit

Well-Known Member
Dude this is a banter thread for ppl that actually know how to fuckin grow and generally talk shop.
we've no problems helping ppl out once in a while but u literally straight up refuse to take any advice even when yorkie dumbed it down to fuck for you.some ppl aren't meant to grow dude.
I'd read for a yr b4 I even started but hey let's simplify it a bit without chlorophyll ur plant won't get any fucking energy dawg
 
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