conor c
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Aye you soak the willow twigs in water 24 to 48 hours then use that to water your medium or root stuff in it is meant to aid rooting as u said man
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Blue brother
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I use it as part of a foliar regiment but also as a soil drench before and during flower as it allows the plant to uptake silicon much higher and faster, silicon being one of the main building blocks of trichomes. The benefits of silicon in stress mitigation and cellular strength are also worth taking note of. In hydro I’d apply it with silicon but in living soil I’ve already built in a solid source so only the addition of salicylic acid gets the job done
Blue brother
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Silicon and sulphur uptake are elements I try to exploit as much as possible for flowering
Star Dog
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@Blue brother i use silica for my pH in background levels, ive read sulphur can improve terps I'd give that a try, what do you use for added sulphur.
conor c
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conor c
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Yeah its needed for terpene production far as i know ive not really experimented in boosting it all that much alot of people in the skunk threads suggest using higher levels of it for bringing out the reek
Blue brother
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It’s more the vsc’s that improve, which I always get mixed up with terps when testing product, they behave the same as far as we’re concerned but apparently are totally different types of compounds, volatile sulfur compounds are known to be responsible for the dank stinky skunky garlicky smells
conor c
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Yeah thiols and fatty acids
Blue brother
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Some strains respond better than others to increased sulfur when it comes to smell/taste and I can only attribut that to some strains having more vsc’s as part of their genetic expression, the ones who have more to start with see the most improvement whereas the ones with less to start with benefit significantly less
Blue brother
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Through experience I’m inclined to agree with that, I found with black dominia the addition of extra sulfur contributed to a beautiful rank rubber smell, although without all the fancy tech so widely available in the USA I can only guess, but there was for sure a difference between mine and a friends of the same cut (me supplementing additional sulfur and him not)
Blue brother
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Star Dog's specific example was a plant treated with PGR. I think you may have read into what I said if you got anything else out of it, like a generalized demonization of PGRs.
Blue brother
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Do we really know the plant was treat with pgrs though? Lots of strains just show that kind of bud structure as a genetic expression. And what about all the beautiful healthy bud grown with pgrs? I mean no offence, I just wanna shed some light on the subject, try being honest when a customer asks if your buds been grown with pgrs, I’ve 2 options, lie to protect their ignorance and miseducation, or tell the truth and risk being demonised by someone who doesn’t know any better, the stigmatisation alone puts people off perfectly healthy bud.
It’s like saying water is bad because some bud grown with some kinds of water is bad. Even though we know that not to be the case.
maybe I put to much into my response, it’s just a subject I feel strongly about, pgrs being bad is bro science, certain compounds being bad isn’t.
I say again, I mean no offence so sorry if I caused any
It's woth noting though that there are natural PGRs that are totally safe to use and don't alter the amount of THC or have any adverse effects.
Things like kelp (macronutrients) fulvic acid, auxin, gibberellin (GA), cytokinin, ethylene, and abscisic acid (ABA), coconut water (has a few of the above naturally occurring in it) etc...
There are a lot of strains that *look* like they've had PGRs used to grow them but are as dense as that naturally and have had hard manicures to look homogenous and 'neat'.
At the end of the day it's what sells and pretty weed and (to me) weird terpine profiles are all the rage with these fucking 'cali' starins and 'flavours' that mostly younger people are hyping about.
Yeah, I think what you're referring to is what I just posted about; natural PGRs as opposed to manmade?
Blue brother
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With all my experience I wasn’t even aware there was a “PGR look”, especially considering different pgrs can be used on the same pheno to make bud look like total opposite ends of the spectrum
Blue brother
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Yeah I was, but still, I have to say, not all man made are harmful. Just because they dont occur naturally in the concentrations we provide them in doesn’t inherently make them harmful, some are harmful, some aren’t.
I don't know why you guys seem to think I'm demonizing PGRs. I simply told StarDog it looked like PGR weed. If you think it looks like something else feel free to tell him.
As for lying to someone so they ingest what they might consider an adulterated product. I think people deserve the truth so they can choose their level of risk exposure. Even in medicine we got signed consents and we did not lie in the inducement of the consent or it was malpractice and could be criminal.
Anyway feel free to carry on.
Blue brother
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You’re perpetuating the misinformation though, what looks like pgr weed? From a scientific standpoint weed grown with pgrs could literally look like either end of the spectrum, it depends which you use. I think what you’re referring to is cannabis grown with a gibberellin suppresant, such as paclobutrazol, which is a pgr, but so are many other compounds ( both harmful and non harmful) that would cause the bud to show many other physiological traits