The Vault’s Skywalker Auto Comparative Grow - in association with Mephisto Genetics

Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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OK, so today was a harvest for 3 of the ladies. I'll give you a group and single main shots with my hand in there for size.

They didn't turn out that bad in the end! Even the twins are bulking nicely. this bigger one is a few days out yet, and the little sister is a week at least. I'm happily surprised that even she will finish with a solid bulk!

Here's the group shot. Missed one.

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Here's #1

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#2

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#3

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These shots are from the on plant pre-trim. I let them sit 5 days and harvest from that point. Not really my normal habit. Something I've done for smaller plants.

Observations: There appear to be 2-3 pheno's involved here. 2 for sure. I have plants that make an extended longer main but of uniform structure.
I have another that is more old school OG shaped. It has that "pyramid" shaped budding and a lower more bushy profile. Very "classic" in older OG shape and structure.

The twins are going to be the same for the most part. The big sister is producing the biggest buds of the 5! Little sister will be on par with the others but, it's behind a week or more so,,,,who knows!

More on them later, maybe this weekend.

Stay blunt my friends!

PS, they have around 15% amber.....
 
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bertaluchi

bertaluchi

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Dr. Who said:
OK, so today was a harvest for 3 of the ladies. I'll give you a group and single main shots with my hand in there for size.

They didn't turn out that bad in the end! Even the twins are bulking nicely. this bigger one is a few days out yet, and the little sister is a week at least. I'm happily surprised that even she will finish with a solid bulk!

Here's the group shot. Missed one.

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Here's #1

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#2

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#3

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These shots are from the on plant pre-trim. I let them sit 5 days and harvest from that point. Not really my normal habit. Something I've done for smaller plants.

Observations: There appear to be 2-3 pheno's involved here. 2 for sure. I have plants that make an extended longer main but of uniform structure.
I have another that is more old school OG shaped. It has that "pyramid" shaped budding and a lower more bushy profile. Very "classic" in older OG shape and structure.

The twins are going to be the same for the most part. The big sister is producing the biggest buds of the 5! Little sister will be on par with the others but, it's behind a week or more so,,,,who knows!

More on them later, maybe this weekend.

Stay blunt my friends!

PS, they have around 15% amber.....
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Looking Great Brother!
 
Sassafras¥

Sassafras¥

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Dr. Who said:
OK, so today was a harvest for 3 of the ladies. I'll give you a group and single main shots with my hand in there for size.

They didn't turn out that bad in the end! Even the twins are bulking nicely. this bigger one is a few days out yet, and the little sister is a week at least. I'm happily surprised that even she will finish with a solid bulk!

Here's the group shot. Missed one.

View attachment 3877698

Here's #1

View attachment 3877699

#2

View attachment 3877701

#3

View attachment 3877702

These shots are from the on plant pre-trim. I let them sit 5 days and harvest from that point. Not really my normal habit. Something I've done for smaller plants.

Observations: There appear to be 2-3 pheno's involved here. 2 for sure. I have plants that make an extended longer main but of uniform structure.
I have another that is more old school OG shaped. It has that "pyramid" shaped budding and a lower more bushy profile. Very "classic" in older OG shape and structure.

The twins are going to be the same for the most part. The big sister is producing the biggest buds of the 5! Little sister will be on par with the others but, it's behind a week or more so,,,,who knows!

More on them later, maybe this weekend.

Stay blunt my friends!

PS, they have around 15% amber.....
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Hell yeah bud... looks good :clap: for some reason I just couldn't get the 2 or 3 Skywalkers I started to grow. Idk maybe they didn't like the ph I had them set at, but every other strain i have was doing fine, just the dag gone Skywalker.. lol
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Morriston55 said:
If you follwed the comparative on the other forums were it was run simultaneously youd say the complete opposite, alot of stretchy and nute burn'd plants on this forum, while most other examples were pulling 1oz a plant easy. Which isnt a ton, but I didnt see many if any others give up on the grow like a few did here
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Not only did I follow, I participated in previous comparativ
I'll use myself as an example. The Heisenberg's performed great. The Skywalker's didn't.

Maybe a bad batch of seeds. Maybe our batch was different than others.

Most of my autos get close to three foot tall and do better than an ounce.

Its not quitting. Its cutting loses. I only had three plants in five gallon pots. If they are not up to my standards then I will cull them.

Not to knock mephisto. They are great breeders.

Here is my two Heisenberg's and one dinafem amnesia xxl. 15 inch wide pots that hold about five gallons for size reference.

Its not like the ones that scrapped the grow are bad growers.
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Sassafras¥

Sassafras¥

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whitebb2727 said:
Not only did I follow, I participated in previous comparativ
I'll use myself as an example. The Heisenberg's performed great. The Skywalker's didn't.

Maybe a bad batch of seeds. Maybe our batch was different than others.

Most of my autos get close to three foot tall and do better than an ounce.

Its not quitting. Its cutting loses. I only had three plants in five gallon pots. If they are not up to my standards then I will cull them.

Not to knock mephisto. They are great breeders.

Here is my two Heisenberg's and one dinafem amnesia xxl. 15 inch wide pots that hold about five gallons for size reference.

Its not like the ones that scrapped the grow are bad growers.
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So you couldn't get the Skywalkers to get going either bro?
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Sassafras¥ said:
So you couldn't get the Skywalkers to get going either bro?
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Hell three of them died as sprouts. The other two were slow growing. I got to the point it wasn't worth the time. I only had three large pots in my cab. I knew they would be slightly smaller. The were more suited for smaller pots and running more of them.

It is what it is. The people that had problems with them here, some are very good growers.

Its nothing against the breeder either. Just a problem batch. Did some turn out good? Yes but that doesn't mean that everyone else did something wrong. Shit happens.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Sassafras¥ said:
So you couldn't get the Skywalkers to get going either bro?
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A number of us on here had problems. @HydroRed and other good growers had problems.

Don't beat yourself up. I think it was just a bad batch of seeds. Not all seeds can be winners. That's the point of these grows.

I still stand behind what I said about Mephisto Genetics. In my opinion they are the best breeder of autos right now. In the top three anyways.
 
Sassafras¥

Sassafras¥

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whitebb2727 said:
A number of us on here had problems. @HydroRed and other good growers had problems.

Don't beat yourself up. I think it was just a bad batch of seeds. Not all seeds can be winners. That's the point of these grows.

I still stand behind what I said about Mephisto Genetics. In my opinion they are the best breeder of autos right now. In the top three anyways.
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Oh yeah no doubt.. not beating myself up at all, just didn't know that others was having so many issues. Havent really had the time to be on here, but hopefully I have caught up now and can be on more frequent.
 
bertaluchi

bertaluchi

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whitebb2727 said:
A number of us on here had problems. @HydroRed and other good growers had problems.

Don't beat yourself up. I think it was just a bad batch of seeds. Not all seeds can be winners. That's the point of these grows.

I still stand behind what I said about Mephisto Genetics. In my opinion they are the best breeder of autos right now. In the top three anyways.
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I agree. This was probably the smallest auto I have ever seen. Mine got to just about 24''. I usually get 35''+ with autos and almost always over a Oz per plant. Not so with the Skywalker. I also agree that this sort of thing happens. Nothing against Mephisto at all, I love them and I am currently running some Heisenberg Special (probably my favorite Mephisto strain) and they are nice size and I am sure I will get at least 2 Oz per plant, probably more. Bottom line is when you are growing with seeds you never know exactly what your going to get but Mephisto is a great breeder of auto plants and I will continue to use their genetics in my garden, just not the Skywalker
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Dr. Who said:
Guy's. I think these are short auto's! Like many of the early auto's... 1 zip wonders!
I liked this one as it grew.....I went in thinking they would be this way. Great end bulking.
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I agree but still had a high number that failed. I rarely have problems with beans.

I guess I thought they would be bigger from the previous two comparison grows and when I looked at mephisto website most of their autos are bigger.

It is what it is. I'm the one usually defending autos. Lol.
 
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HydroRed

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Sassafras¥ said:
Hell yeah bud... looks good :clap: for some reason I just couldn't get the 2 or 3 Skywalkers I started to grow. Idk maybe they didn't like the ph I had them set at, but every other strain i have was doing fine, just the dag gone Skywalker.. lol
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Wasn't just you. I'm a noob with the autos, but I believe there may have been more at hand here than just my inexperience with them.
All 5 germinated remarkably fast,
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but then I had issues with strange horizontal growth patterns on 2 of the 4 that took root (1 of the 5 didn't make it).
No matter what light I used, or how I used it -they were going to grow like that. I also had one that as the root grew, it just grew out of the rapid rooter instead of the taproot actually tapping and growing downward.
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Though this was my first auto grow lets just say these grew odd for me. I have seen other abnormal characteristics as well in this comparative.
The other 3 different autos I had growing literally inches away from the Skywalkers were loving life and environment. Exactly as @whitebb2727 said earlier, you gotta know when to cut the loss. After a few more weeks or so of nursing them, electricity, etc compared to the results I was getting from them I soon realized it was time to move on.
 
Sassafras¥

Sassafras¥

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HydroRed said:
Wasn't just you. I'm a noob with the autos, but I believe there may have been more at hand here than just my inexperience with them.
All 5 germinated remarkably fast,
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but then I had issues with strange horizontal growth patterns on 2 of the 4 that took root (1 of the 5 didn't make it).
No matter what light I used, or how I used it -they were going to grow like that. I also had one that as the root grew, it just grew out of the rapid rooter instead of the taproot actually tapping and growing downward.
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Though this was my first auto grow lets just say these grew odd for me. I have seen other abnormal characteristics as well in this comparative.
The other 3 different autos I had growing literally inches away from the Skywalkers were loving life and environment. Exactly as @whitebb2727 said earlier, you gotta know when to cut the loss. After a few more weeks or so of nursing them, electricity, etc compared to the results I was getting from them I soon realized it was time to move on.
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I hear that bro.. yeah now that you said it, i recall having issues with early stretching, more so then usual. But hey, how bout those Heisenbergs!! Now that is a damn good auto if I say so myself. (:
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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Hmm, interesting on the folks having problems.
Numerically, I guess the popping (Paper towel method. On to Root riots, to Solo's, to 1 gallon Plant Warrior pots.) of 5 beans and getting one pure male was interesting! Considering how many "Jack" gave out. I'm not really to surprised......I'll always say that there is no guarantee of 100% females from selfing or S1's if you will.
The "twin" was a pleasant surprise that brought my plant count back! IF I cared for them enough. Like I suspected, one was weak and took a little TLC to keep it going (some kelp ex and a tiny bit of low power Age Old grow in Willow water).

Once she caught and I knew she would be OK. I suspected that she would still run weak.....I was wrong, as she took off from my "magic weak plant potion" and ran normal as the rest, she's just around 3 weeks or a little more behind! Big sister is behind a week at least too. I did expect that.

Any way, I used my lightest organic water only soil and as they began to flower, as the soil was more veg based. I used some Age Old Bloom (Organic,at half strength) and alternated with a 3-2-5 Organic AACT fert tea I build (yes the NPK is accurate. I tested several batch's and have very tight consistency in my delivered ratio...As long as I measure out the ingr. by weight over volume, when making it).

There was an alternating delivery of my Mg and K sulfates for trich's and terp's (not to mention the Bud bulking increase from the K). Any raise in the P came from the Age Old bloom and that was backed off right before the bulking phase....So it was Tea and MG/K sulfates to the finish....Last 3 days is water only o_O (DON'T SAY IT! It's not a flush and the nutes in the soil carried it for those 3 days!) :mrgreen:

Overall: The plants were hardy. I did nothing special or go out of my way to make them happy (The twins you say? I did what I had to do to "save" them....That's all. Normally I have #'s to cover that so I can pitch the weak/non compliant and hold schedule's). So you got a bit of info on "nursing" weak seedlings out of me for the price of 2 twins..

They did stretch but, I made no effort to limit or control it. (I wanted to see what the strain did). I feed them extra when they "asked" for it and supplied in bloom the method/nutrient I would use for a fussy sativa. I did that from past knowledge of Auto's being rather fussy. Some minor yellowing of fan leaf edges in the last cpl of weeks. I'll call that "normal" for the way I feed and the plants growth pattern.....

I have yet to even have dry plant matter, so no smoke report. If by some chance I can get some sweet corn from the mkt....I'll COBB cure the smaller bottom buds for shits and giggles. Makes it come out stronger.....

Oh, yes. They were vegged under mixed spectrum 6 bulb T5HO's and bloomed under a 1K MH. That's right, no HPS!

There's the complete grow report for you'se guys!

The smell from them is off the hook and stinks as far as 150ft from the building.....Odor control for you that need it.
I liked how they grew overall and thought they did fine, for what they are. I will not be running any auto's for a long time but, after running these....I can see their place in newer folks growing.....Good for learning how to care for fussy plants....

The rest of the plants and the weigh in will follow when ready!

Doc
 
bertaluchi

bertaluchi

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Dr. Who said:
Hmm, interesting on the folks having problems.
Numerically, I guess the popping (Paper towel method. On to Root riots, to Solo's, to 1 gallon Plant Warrior pots.) of 5 beans and getting one pure male was interesting! Considering how many "Jack" gave out. I'm not really to surprised......I'll always say that there is no guarantee of 100% females from selfing or S1's if you will.
The "twin" was a pleasant surprise that brought my plant count back! IF I cared for them enough. Like I suspected, one was weak and took a little TLC to keep it going (some kelp ex and a tiny bit of low power Age Old grow in Willow water).

Once she caught and I knew she would be OK. I suspected that she would still run weak.....I was wrong, as she took off from my "magic weak plant potion" and ran normal as the rest, she's just around 3 weeks or a little more behind! Big sister is behind a week at least too. I did expect that.

Any way, I used my lightest organic water only soil and as they began to flower, as the soil was more veg based. I used some Age Old Bloom (Organic,at half strength) and alternated with a 3-2-5 Organic AACT fert tea I build (yes the NPK is accurate. I tested several batch's and have very tight consistency in my delivered ratio...As long as I measure out the ingr. by weight over volume, when making it).

There was an alternating delivery of my Mg and K sulfates for trich's and terp's (not to mention the Bud bulking increase from the K). Any raise in the P came from the Age Old bloom and that was backed off right before the bulking phase....So it was Tea and MG/K sulfates to the finish....Last 3 days is water only o_O (DON'T SAY IT! It's not a flush and the nutes in the soil carried it for those 3 days!) :mrgreen:

Overall: The plants were hardy. I did nothing special or go out of my way to make them happy (The twins you say? I did what I had to do to "save" them....That's all. Normally I have #'s to cover that so I can pitch the weak/non compliant and hold schedule's). So you got a bit of info on "nursing" weak seedlings out of me for the price of 2 twins..

They did stretch but, I made no effort to limit or control it. (I wanted to see what the strain did). I feed them extra when they "asked" for it and supplied in bloom the method/nutrient I would use for a fussy sativa. I did that from past knowledge of Auto's being rather fussy. Some minor yellowing of fan leaf edges in the last cpl of weeks. I'll call that "normal" for the way I feed and the plants growth pattern.....

I have yet to even have dry plant matter, so no smoke report. If by some chance I can get some sweet corn from the mkt....I'll COBB cure the smaller bottom buds for shits and giggles. Makes it come out stronger.....

Oh, yes. They were vegged under mixed spectrum 6 bulb T5HO's and bloomed under a 1K MH. That's right, no HPS!

There's the complete grow report for you'se guys!

The smell from them is off the hook and stinks as far as 150ft from the building.....Odor control for you that need it.
I liked how they grew overall and thought they did fine, for what they are. I will not be running any auto's for a long time but, after running these....I can see their place in newer folks growing.....Good for learning how to care for fussy plants....

The rest of the plants and the weigh in will follow when ready!

Doc
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Hey what is a COBB cure? Are you using a corn cob?
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Jack Vault said:
Hi guys, apologies that I haven't been on this thread so much.

Mitch and the guys at Mephisto are great guys, and would welcome your feedback, so if you would like me to relay a message onto him about this strain please PM me :)
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You are welcome to relay what I said. I also built a new smaller cab. If there is anymore seeds laying around I would give them another try in smaller pots.;)
 
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