The White privilege to terrorize

Rob Roy said:
Is that an admission that government is not a voluntary institution and will use guns offensively (as opposed to defensively) to take away your rights?
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No. I realize you’re concerned about your rights being violated by the current restrictions but it’s simply irrational.
You have the right to be an asshole if that’s what you want to be. You seem to enjoy the role. You don’t however have the right to be an asshole if your actions harm others.
 
Fogdog said:
lulz

If that crowd in Michigan were black, cops would have opened fire.

White privilege is on display right here:

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A black man would have been gunned down after the first drop of spittle.


I'm willing to bet that some of those same white male crybabies who are literally killing themselves for the right to associate with infected people are the same ones who want to run down black protesters in a demonstration that blocks traffic. Your kind of white man pays lip service to rights.

Damn, you claim the right to bugger a child if they don't object. If a store owner doesn't want to serve the public then they shouldn't be open to the public.
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Dude in pic got doxxed and agreed to an interview. He's a Bernie bro lol
 
CunningCanuk said:
No. I realize you’re concerned about your rights being violated by the current restrictions but it’s simply irrational.
You have the right to be an asshole if that’s what you want to be. You seem to enjoy the role. You don’t however have the right to be an asshole if your actions harm others.
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Do you or I have the right to order somebody to stay in their house ?
 
CunningCanuk said:
You should move to a deserted island where no one can conceivably mess with these rights you’re so concerned about losing.

It’s a clear win-win. You will have the right to do whatever you want and we’ll get a break from your nonsense.
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So in order to have rights you believe a person should move away ? Hmmm.

So you never answered, do you have the right to make somebody stay in their house ?
 
Rob Roy said:
So in order to have rights you believe a person should move away ? Hmmm.

So you never answered, do you have the right to make somebody stay in their house ?
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You’re asking me to answer a question that makes no sense. Rights aren’t an arbitrary commodity that a government or any person can own.

I’ve noticed you ask a lot of these types of questions. I don’t know why. Do you think it improves the level of discourse?

It doesn’t
 
CunningCanuk said:
You’re asking me to answer a question that makes no sense. Rights aren’t an arbitrary commodity that a government or any person can own.

I’ve noticed you ask a lot of these types of questions. I don’t know why. Do you think it improves the level of discourse?

It doesn’t
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I've noticed you have a hard time answering questions.

Do you think you or I have the right to force a person to stay in their house ? At which point would you NOT obey an arbitrary order ? Who has the right to make these kinds of orders?
 
Rob Roy said:
I've noticed you have a hard time answering questions.

Do you think you or I have the right to force a person to stay in their house ? At which point would you NOT obey an arbitrary order ? Who has the right to make these kinds of orders?
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All right Bob. I’ll bite one more time.

Your rights are not etched in stone. They are fluid. Your democratic republic is not a free society in the Ayn Rand sense. It’s impossible to govern that way. It’s also impossible to have a functioning society without some form of government.

In a democracy rights are essentially rules that a society determines are important to them as a collective.

In certain situations your individual rights are less important than the survival of that society. Period. This is why we have laws that allow for war measures. Luckily for us we live in a democracy so these measures can only be temporary.

I guess what it comes down to is this; I’m ok with a temporary restriction or my rights if it’s for the good of society. You’re not. I’m reasonable. You’re not.

Now Bob I have a question for you. It’s not in relation to the topic of this thread but I need to know the answer before I waste anymore time reading or responding to your posts.

Yes or no only please. Do you think Trump is a good president?
 
Addressed your questions in bold below. You still haven't addressed mine. Can you?

CunningCanuk said:
All right Bob. I’ll bite one more time.

Your rights are not etched in stone. They are fluid. Your democratic republic is not a free society in the Ayn Rand sense. It’s impossible to govern that way. It’s also impossible to have a functioning society without some form of government.

It's not my democratic republic. I didn't voluntarily join it. However that organization does "etch some of the rights" they claim they will not violate in stone figuratively speaking, in their bill of rights or other documents they claim they will honor. It's also impossible to be a protector, if the first thing a government does is grant itself an exception to do things which none of its alleged constituents has. You won't be able to refute any of that.


In a democracy rights are essentially rules that a society determines are important to them as a collective.

A democracy ? Non Sequitur, to the matter being discussed. A democracy doesn't ensure rights of everyone. They more often REMOVE rights, UNLESS each decision decided is unanimous without any duress. Which almost never happens. Anyway, in reality rights are things which don't come from other people who claim to be "leaders", you seem to be confusing rights with revocable privileges. They are two different things.


In certain situations your individual rights are less important than the survival of that society. Period. This is why we have laws that allow for war measures. Luckily for us we live in a democracy so these measures can only be temporary.

Laws that allow for war measures are made to increase nationalism / loyalty, enrichment of the elite class and are often not followed anyway. When was the last time the USA empire was involved in an actual defense of it's claimed territory? When was the last time Congress declared a war? Wars are often a feature and result of indoctrination. You keep talking like a democracy is inherently a good thing, as if a majority can shift a thing which is wrong into being a thing which is right. If that is so, explain gang rape.


I guess what it comes down to is this; I’m ok with a temporary restriction or my rights if it’s for the good of society. You’re not. I’m reasonable. You’re not.

I guess when it comes down to it, I'm not okay with me delegating your rights to an "authority", since that would be impossible for me to delegate a right I don't have. Nor could you possibly delegate my rights, absent my consent. You've failed to explain how that could happen despite being asked several different times. In other words you're unable to answer that one question and have avoided it, which collapses your democracy premise. Until you answer that question, your premise is naked and flaccid and relies on "because" as a foundation. Weak.

Now Bob I have a question for you. It’s not in relation to the topic of this thread but I need to know the answer before I waste anymore time reading or responding to your posts.

If you do waste more of your time, be sure and answer how you could delegate a right you don't possess. I'm sure you'll get right to that.

Yes or no only please. Do you think Trump is a good president?

No, there are no good Presidents. Some are worse than others, but none are good since they hold themselves to be exempt from actions which would be bad if you or I did the same things. Your question is like asking "are there any good rapists", since both use the same tactics which are based in capture of people without their individual consent. Although a rapist is a bad person, most don't have nearly the blood on their hands that a President has.


Okay, now time for you to answer a few questions.

Do you think consent in human relations is a vital thing to observe and respect ?

Would you agree that people who tread on others consent are doing it wrong?

How can a person delegate a right they themselves do not possess ?
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doublejj said:
Is your ankle monitor feeling a little heavy Rob?....
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If outfitted with an ankle monitor I would figuratively remove it and insert it into the chest cavity of the person who "ordered" me to wear it, while simultaneously removing that person's heart in a Ninja like lightening fast legal surgical precision move.

It would be a morally permissible use of defensive force if the ankle monitor were installed as a result of a "victimless crime".

That means I would use legal Ju Jitsu to amaze and confound my opponents, then runaway as fast as I could, which isn't very fast these days, seeing that I'm almost as much of an old fart as you are, but clearly better looking, which is nice.
 
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Rob Roy said:
I've noticed you have a hard time answering questions.

Do you think you or I have the right to force a person to stay in their house ? At which point would you NOT obey an arbitrary order ? Who has the right to make these kinds of orders?
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Rob Roy said:
Writer is a clown, I'd give that pansy a nuggie and a wedgie, then make him spit shine my gun.
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The CDC advised and recommended.

Will the writer have to supply his own polishing rags? or will he have use his now shit stained underwear?

This is you without a mutually equal agreement.
 
CunningCanuk said:
I can't say for sure but I would imagine he would think these are the words of a crazy person.
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So, it's crazy to mention the truth? Your writer friend would be able to prove OBAMA didn't order a drone death of an American citizen without due process?
 
Grandpapy said:
The CDC advised and recommended.

Will the writer have to supply his own polishing rags? or will he have use his now shit stained underwear?

This is you without a mutually equal agreement.
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The CDC should be disbanded. They don't acquire funding in a voluntary way. Why trust them, if their pay is derived from unhealthy actions ?
 
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