There needs to be more help for people with Mental Illness

The Hippy said:

From what little I know and have read on depression, it seems the pills people get are never helpful. Or do some people really get better? I seem to read more stuff like ' it almost killed me " or " I was fucked up worse than I was before taking them " or " those pills made useless and unable to function.
So is there any success treating depression with pharma pills? I get depressed, sad, pissed off, lazy and lethargic as well. But it would seem there isn't anywhere to go...just tough it out I do.

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maybe they don't help some people because they don't do anything to change their minds and still do the same things they did before they took pills. As if just swallowing a pill is going to fix things, they have to change their lifestyles but most importantly they have to change how they think, the process needs changing, yes you can change neuropath ways by retraining your brain(how your thought process works through things).


As technology gets pushed more into our lives so will mental health issues continue.

Jimdamick said:

Yes, prescribed medications help. It took me years though of trying different medications to find that magic bullet, but I did finally obtain a semblance of normalcy, though none are a complete cure for my mental plight. My side effects were that I no longer was able to compete in the sex marathons that I used to indulge in, but I accepted that, seeing as not taking them was a living hell, and my wife still loves me ( not so much when I am off my meds) If you even think that you have mental health issues, then you do. See a doctor, see if they can help you, do what they ask, and things will get better. Maybe not great, but better. Peace out

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I glad they worked for you, as they do for many people. I,unfortunately am not one of them. I got just about every possible side effect including "increased thoughts of suicide". WTF is up with that, by the way? Anti-depressants come with a warning that they may make you want to kill yourself...how is that 'anti' anything, other than life? It's like being prescribed chocolate bars to lose weight!

ICD-10 makes for some interesting reading, i never knew phantom shitting was a mental disorder .. live n learn

F98.1 Nonorganic encopresis

Repeated voluntary or involuntary passage of faeces, usually of normal or near-normal consistency, in places not appropriate for that purpose in the individual's own sociocultural setting.

The crucial diagnostic feature is the inappropriate placement of faeces. The condition may arise in several different ways. it may
reflect a psychologically determined disorder in which there is normal physiological control over defecation but, for some reason, a reluctance, resistance, or failure to conform to social norms in defecating in acceptable places.

In some instances, the encopresis may be accompanied by smearing of faeces over the body or over the external environment
and, less commonly, there may be anal fingering or masturbation.

That's exactly like what I experienced with Antidepressents Chris. all of them had increased thoughts of suicide in my experience with them. Or made me feel as if I was an emotionless zombie. Why would an antidepressant be released if it had a chance of increasing the risk of suicide. Is that not just adding to the problem? If this dosent show how monopolized the pharma system is for money than I do not what will. Loved your analogy about chocolate bars... So true

skunkd0c said:

ICD-10 makes for some interesting reading, i never knew phantom shitting was a mental disorder .. live n learn

F98.1 Nonorganic encopresis

Repeated voluntary or involuntary passage of faeces, usually of normal or near-normal consistency, in places not appropriate for that purpose in the individual's own sociocultural setting.

The crucial diagnostic feature is the inappropriate placement of faeces. The condition may arise in several different ways. it may
reflect a psychologically determined disorder in which there is normal physiological control over defecation but, for some reason, a reluctance, resistance, or failure to conform to social norms in defecating in acceptable places.

In some instances, the encopresis may be accompanied by smearing of faeces over the body or over the external environment
and, less commonly, there may be anal fingering or masturbation.

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Thank you for sharing @skunkd0c - you can feel safe here. You can't come over to my house and shit on the couch - but you can feel safe to talk about it.

GrowRock said:

That's exactly like what I experienced with Antidepressents Chris. all of them had increased thoughts of suicide in my experience with them. Or made me feel as if I was an emotionless zombie. Why would an antidepressant be released if it had a chance of increasing the risk of suicide. Is that not just adding to the problem? If this dosent show how monopolized the pharma system is for money than I do not what will. Loved your analogy about chocolate bars... So true

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Crazy thing - I recently found out that a lot of people I knew from a reserve were medicated for PTSD, stress, anxiety, depression, addiction, etc. And they were on pharma drugs that they were physiologically addicted to, and that they had a butt load of side effects on. But doctors kept prescribing them. One thing after another.

It seemed like, to me, that they were being medicated to keep them quiet. Complacent. Sedated. It seems criminal actually.

GrowRock said:

That's exactly like what I experienced with Antidepressents Chris. all of them had increased thoughts of suicide in my experience with them. Or made me feel as if I was an emotionless zombie. Why would an antidepressant be released if it had a chance of increasing the risk of suicide. Is that not just adding to the problem? If this dosent show how monopolized the pharma system is for money than I do not what will. Loved your analogy about chocolate bars... So true

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It's about control....I know I'm starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist but you do the hokey pokey cause that's what it's all about ya!

Yessica... said:

Thank you for sharing @skunkd0c - you can feel safe here. You can't come over to my house and shit on the couch - but you can feel safe to talk about it.

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Phantom shitters do not require permission

Exactly control is owning your patients through addicting them to there drugs. And side effects I guess just add to big pharmas wealth cause they have a pill for that Well I have a cannabis for that lol

Having a pill for that and then one for the side effects and one for the new disease that the first pill caused...
and now add one for the additional side effects..allow enough time....the add another for the next disease and
two more to protect you kidneys from the first two...and now one for the high blood pressure symptoms, from prolonged use of pill 2,now add thyroid pills forever because the entire group of pills you were taking has destroyed your thyroid's function...and so on and so on....at some point.....the pain pill fog lifts enough for you to realize....you have
25 plus different prescriptions....and are beginning to show signs of drug induced parkinsons from the chemical cocktail you take daily......
THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD ADVOCATE FOR YOUR OWN HEALTH CARE

That is so true dan. Taking medications to combat the side effects of the medication you take to combat the side effects of the medication you take....vicious cycle or circle either way is no good. When that fog lifts though it's like being freed!

This has been my nightmare for the last yr and a half.

I used to box, played junior hockey and was a steel worker for 20 yrs but mental illness has been the toughest thing ive fought yet.

My life has been a constant downward spiral and the only thing that keeps me up is my kids.

I think life is a hard sell to anyone but some people have had to live through things that u cant even imagine.

I speak to a psycotherapist twice a week. And almost every time i go she ends up crying before i live. Not exactly reassuring when the person listening says " wow i dont even know what to say"

Repeated voluntary or involuntary passage of faeces, usually of normal or near-normal consistency, in places not appropriate for that purpose in the individual's own sociocultural setting.
The crucial diagnostic feature is the inappropriate placement of faeces. The condition may arise in several different ways. it may
reflect a psychologically determined disorder in which there is normal physiological control over defecation but, for some reason, a reluctance, resistance, or failure to conform to social norms in defecating in acceptable places.
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I spent some years in youth detention, lots of it locked in a cell with a guard outside my door on a one to one coverage. I threw shit at them to keep them away from my cell, since it was my only weapon at hand... A guard tried to give me two single pieces of toilet paper this one time to wipe my ass. I threw a handful of my runny hunger strike shit
at him. I don't think I was crazy. I didn't give a shit. Or did I.....

torontoke said:

This has been my nightmare for the last yr and a half.

I used to box, played junior hockey and was a steel worker for 20 yrs but mental illness has been the toughest thing ive fought yet.

My life has been a constant downward spiral and the only thing that keeps me up is my kids.

I think life is a hard sell to anyone but some people have had to live through things that u cant even imagine.

I speak to a psycotherapist twice a week. And almost every time i go she ends up crying before i live. Not exactly reassuring when the person listening says " wow i dont even know what to say"

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You might want to consider getting a new psycotherapist.
Sincerely, wishing you all the best.

torontoke said:

This has been my nightmare for the last yr and a half.

I used to box, played junior hockey and was a steel worker for 20 yrs but mental illness has been the toughest thing ive fought yet.

My life has been a constant downward spiral and the only thing that keeps me up is my kids.

I think life is a hard sell to anyone but some people have had to live through things that u cant even imagine.

I speak to a psycotherapist twice a week. And almost every time i go she ends up crying before i live. Not exactly reassuring when the person listening says " wow i dont even know what to say"

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You might ask the therapist what elicits the tears. Is it that they feel overwhelmed?, are they being triggered themselves into unresolved issues?, mind you the honesty (not knowing what to say) that the individual is sharing is good. That is the beauty of therapy, we go to find out that which hinders our 'growth'. Some folks that work in the field are well meaning, but haven't a clue what it feels like to truly grow up in an 'insane' environment, but that does not mean they cannot help one develop a 'plan of healing'.

we need help for them but they also need to open the door and ask for help too sadly suicide if often a secret

sunni said:

we need help for them but they also need to open the door and ask for help too sadly suicide if often a secret

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My feelings are that the suicide rate will not decrease until assisted end of life is an accepted option. There are many reasons someone may decide they have had enough...who's right is it but their own to decide to 'check out'? Society, influenced by religions, have demonized what should be a personal choice. Forcing anyone to suffer through pain, be it physical or emotional, is cruel and selfish. The argument I hear over and over is the pain suicide causes to friends and family and how the person who chooses to end their life is 'selfish', when the opposite is true.

Suicide is only easy for people to talk about when they havent gone through it.
If you have lived an easy life without conflict or want its easy to call someone else selfish.
My therapist was raised in wealthy family and just cant relate to people in financial ruin. She told me she has heard many sad stories in her career but i make her wish she could do more, she also said she thinks about our talks all week and she is sad she cant give me advice.

VIANARCHRIS said:

My feelings are that the suicide rate will not decrease until assisted end of life is an accepted option. There are many reasons someone may decide they have had enough...who's right is it but their own to decide to 'check out'? Society, influenced by religions, have demonized what should be a personal choice. Forcing anyone to suffer through pain, be it physical or emotional, is cruel and selfish. The argument I hear over and over is the pain suicide causes to friends and family and how the person who chooses to end their life is 'selfish', when the opposite is true.

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my boyfriend committed suicide, at first i was hurt, why did he do that? why, he made a call to his doctor who was going on holidays and they booked an appointment
would he have chosen to live if he did see his doctor?
but in the end even though im hurt im mentally capable some what to deal with it, he couldnt deal with his mental issues so he opted out hopefully hes in a better place

but ill tell you one thing, ....walking up to an open casket on a 24 year old with way to much make up around his neck...is a very scary thing, looking upon the dead face of someone who were passionate with is scary

in my opinion suicide is like abortions its not the only option and some people do just need some support and assistance to get through the hard times

I'm sorry for your loss and I'm in no way faulting you for your views, mine are just a little different. Some people DO want help and respond well to therapy and drugs to live a normal life. Others find any interference in their decision...intrusive,oppressive...I don't know the word. I have lost a few friends to suicide and had the same questions of "what could I have done?". In both cases the answer ended up being 'nothing'. Both had very different reasons from what I learned and I respect their choice.