They seem scared to death about this bullets thing for some reason

Dr Kynes said:

lies lies and more lies. DHS is just re-stocking since they fire BILLIONS of rounds every year.

thatsw hy newmexico is constantly hidden under a pall of gunsmoke, and the entirte desert southwest is piled up 3 inches deep in spent brass.

also lulz at the media for talking about .40s&w hollowpoints and providing a picture of 9mm Parabellum FMJ's.

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Ahhh, a sheople. Nice to see they still exist.

Well, I don't know about that. It seem to me the sheep are being stanpeded again by the Press. It's like Lucy and the football. And everyday a new pack of teens wake up and think, without any effort, THEY have it figured. I know I did, and so did Che.

But, WE the Lucy, say OK...we will hold the ball, trust us, Charlie Brown!

What I figured out is this a muti-generaltional, 4D puzzle. And the people that know are writing the memoirs, for $$$ and they still have a big stake in seeming Partisan.

I see enough about the back rooms now, to know, the real power players are not partisan but they use it as a tool to sway the national dialog to the pretense of Party. It is funny until it gets bloody.

Winter Woman said:

Ahhh, a sheople. Nice to see they still exist.

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How many rounds did the DHS use last year? 148 million
How long is the contract for? 5 years
Does the DHS have to buy the entire 1.6 billion rounds? NO
Are there other agencys other than the DHS that is part of that 1.6 billion rounds? Yes 450 million actually was requested by another agency

1. How many rounds of ammunition has the Department purchased during each of the past three fiscal years? How much did these acquisitions cost?
CBP = U.S. Customs and Border Protection
FLETC = Federal Law Enforcement Training Center
NPPD/FPS = National Protection and Programs Directorate/Federal Protective Service
ICE = U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
TSA = Transportation Security Administration
USCG = U.S. Coast Guard
http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public//index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&File_id=9cde768f-bb3a-4fd9-8176-1745c21519c2

4. Please describe how DHS (and its component agencies) plan to use this ammunition. How many rounds are allocated for training? How many are allocated for operational use? How many rounds are allocated for other purposes?
CBP: Approximately 70 percent of CBP ammunition is used for quarterly qualifications, mandated firearms training, advanced firearms training, as well as testing and evaluation. Twenty percent of CBP ammunition is allocated to maintaining CBP’s operational posture. This includes rounds for duty use, as well as for maintaining CBP’s special response teams. The remaining 10 percent is dedicated to maintaining ammunition reserves at both the national and local levels.
FLETC: All FLETC ammunition is purchased, distributed, and used for law enforcement training. No ammunition is allocated for operational or other use.
NPPD/FPS: FPS allocates 1,000 rounds of ammunition per firearm per year for quarterly qualifications and training, to include advanced firearms training exercises, as well as ammunition to support law enforcement operations.
ICE: ICE allocates 1,000 rounds of ammunition per firearm per year for quarterly qualifications and training, to include advanced firearms training exercises, special response team training, and ammunition to support law enforcement operations.
TSA: Approximately 21 million rounds of TSA’s current inventory are reduced-hazard, lead-free frangible training ammunition, which is used exclusively for training. The remaining rounds are duty ammunition, which are used for both training and operational purposes. Overall, approximately 35 percent of TSA ammunition is allocated for operational use (qualifications and duty carry). Fewer than 100,000 rounds are used for other purposes annually, including firearms testing and evaluation.
USCG: USCG allocates its ammunition inventory for Non-Combat Expenditure Allowance (NCEA) and ship-fill purposes. The NCEA, available to both shore units and cutters, is used for training and for non-defense operations including maritime law enforcement operations. USCG ship-fill allowances are specific to cutters and are designed for use on defense operations. January 2013 3
USSS: USSS plans to use the above mentioned ammunition for training, research, and operational use as needed to maintain professional firearms proficiency. Based on a review of recent historical data, USSS plans to allocate approximately 60 percent of the ammunition for training, 38 percent for operational use, and 2 percent for quality control testing of all ammunition and function firing of all new and repaired weapons.

I don't see a source here.

Winter Woman said:

I don't see a source here.

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It's becuase you didnt fucking look Post #84
its from some liberal senators website
A guy named Tom Coburn
Thomas Allen "Tom" Coburn (born March 14, 194 is a United States Senator, medical doctor and Southern Baptist deacon. A member of the Republican Party, he is the junior senator from Oklahoma
http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public//index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&File_id=9cde768f-bb3a-4fd9-8176-1745c21519c2

Somehow I am reminded of this paleo meets modern story of Cortez. Having pushed deep into the lost world, he was finally able to get a Mayan King to show him this vast wealth he had struggled so manly be allowed to witness. There was some jewels and semiprecious stone laying around that could not account for vast wealth in hoard, somewhere.

Of course, Mayan is tricky. (And today lost and fractured.) They finally get the idea across of counting pieces. How many? How many?

¿Cuántos? huh....scratch, scratch....b.b..billions?? Si.

But, it turned out to be something we value today, cocoa pods. Only the King and a few other favorites took the Heavenly drink the Matte'. He had billions of pods, billions.

Are bullets the new cocoa pods?

Winter Woman said:

Another buy of hollow points.~

While the Department of Homeland Security continues to ignore members of Congress demanding to know why the federal agency is engaged in an apparent arms build-up, the DHS has just announced it plans to purchase another 360,000 rounds of hollow point ammunition to add to the roughly 2 billion bullets already bought over the past year.
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.The DHS has now purchased over 2 billion rounds of ammo.

A solicitation on the Federal Business Opportunities website details the DHS’ plan to purchase 360,000 rounds of “Commercial leaded training ammo (CLTA) Pistol .40 caliber 165 grain, jacketed hollow point.” The bullets are to be delivered to the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Artesia, New Mexico, the same destination for 240,000 hollow point rounds which were purchased only last month.
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Get fucking help

Doer said:

Well, I don't know about that. It seem to me the sheep are being stanpeded again by the Press. It's like Lucy and the football. And everyday a new pack of teens wake up and think, without any effort, THEY have it figured. I know I did, and so did Che.

But, WE the Lucy, say OK...we will hold the ball, trust us, Charlie Brown!

What I figured out is this a muti-generaltional, 4D puzzle. And the people that know are writing the memoirs, for $$$ and they still have a big stake in seeming Partisan.

I see enough about the back rooms now, to know, the real power players are not partisan but they use it as a tool to sway the national dialog to the pretense of Party. It is funny until it gets bloody.

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When do you plan to execute your 1,897 imperialist scum?

ChesusRice said:

Get fucking help

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I see when you can't say anything 'real' you just sink to an even lower level.

Canna Sylvan said:

When do you plan to execute your 1,897 imperialist scum?

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Well, let's see, uh, take 2 add 33 <sigh>then uh, subtract 35....divide by zero. That leaves...comes out to, hmmmmm, gdi!! scratch, scratch..

OK, that leaves 1897 iScums to go....wait...is that right?

Doer said:

Well, let's see, uh, take 2 add 33 <sigh>then uh, subtract 35....divide by zero. That leaves...comes out to, hmmmmm, gdi!! scratch, scratch..

OK, that leaves 1897 iScums to go....wait...is that right?

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"Youth must dedicate themselves to study, work and military service. Youth must learn to think and act as a mass," Che.

Winter Woman said:

I see when you can't say anything 'real' you just sink to an even lower level.

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And even "after" the facts are posted from both Fox News and Republican Tom Coburns website with the actual order, how it is used and where it is consumed. You repost the same shit over and over again. You are either incredibly stupid or a liar.

I could be wrong though

You could just be a stupid liar

Was published on March 22nd. I think you need to realize that you only see what you want to see because you have intentionally made yourself blind to the other half of the argument. Anyway here is part of the article.


Concerned lawmakers and activists across America from all points on the political spectrum have for months been seeking an explanation about the Obama administration apparently stockpiling weapons of war for domestic use. Estimates suggest, for example, that the federal government has committed to purchasing up to 2 billion rounds of ammunition over several years while rolling out dozens of armored vehicles known as MRAPs on U.S. soil. Meanwhile, the controversial Department of Homeland Security and its boss Janet Napolitano are refusing to provide real answers.

Now, however, at least one member of Congress is proposing to stop funding DHS unless and until it explains the controversial arms buildup, which has sparked widespread suspicion even among Obama’s most devoted supporters. Speaking to We Are Change activist and reporter Luke Rudkowski at the Conservative Political Action Conference this month, liberty-minded Rep. Timothy Tim Huelskamp (R-Kan.) said that more than a few of his colleagues were also trying to find out why the administration would be stockpiling so much firepower for use within the “Homeland.”

“They have no answer for that question. They refuse to answer to answer that.... They refuse to let us know what is going on, so I don’t really have an answer for that,” Rep. Tim Huelskamp explained, adding that multiple members of Congress were still trying to find out. “It comes down to: During the budget process, during the appropriations process, are we willing to hold DHS’s feet to the fire? We’re going to find out.... I say we don’t fund them ’til we get an answer. Those types of things really challenge Americans. They’re worried about this administration.”

Then there was this yesterday, March 25th. None so blind as those that refuse to see.

Bullet Buys: Fifteen members of Congress have written a letter to the Department of Homeland Security demanding to know why the federal agency is buying so many rounds of ammunition. We'd like to know too.

Freshman California Republican Doug LaMalfa and 14 of his House colleagues, who signed on to his March 5 letter, are asking the Department of Homeland Security to explain why it is buying 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition of various calibers. They aren't happy with explanations provided so far in the press by lower-level officials, answers meant to debunk "unfounded" concerns.

As we have noted, DHS has been buying lots of ammo, enough by one calculation to fight the equivalent of a 24-year Iraqi War.

Peggy Dixon, spokeswoman for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Ga., told the Associated Press that the training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises.

The massive purchases are said to be spread out over five years and due simply to the best practice of saving money by buying in bulk what comes down to five rounds of ammo for every man, woman and child on the U.S. That's a lot of practice and training.

A good portion of the 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition are being purchased by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the federal government's second-largest criminal investigative agency. Yes that's the same ICE that is releasing detained criminal illegal aliens onto our streets because of sequestration cuts.

Jonathan Lasher, the Social Security Administration's assistant inspector general for external relations, explained the purchase of 174,000 hollow-point bullets by saying they were for the Social Security inspector general's office, which has about 295 agents who investigate Social Security fraud and other crimes.

When they say they're cracking down on waste, fraud and abuse, they apparently mean it.

However, as former Marine Richard Mason told reporters with WHPTV News in Pennsylvania recently, hollow-point bullets (which make up the majority of the DHS purchases) are not used for training because they are more expensive than standard firing range rounds. "We never trained with hollow points, we didn't even see hollow points my entire 4-1/2 years in the Marine Corps," Mason said.

LaMalfa offers one theory that's less sinister than some: The federal government is simply trying to corner the market on ammo and restrict what's available to the American people as part of its gun control efforts.

Canna Sylvan said:

I ain't scared. DHS is only after pregnant women and children.

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You forgot old people and people that speak with funny accents.

Rob Roy said:

You forgot old people and people that speak with funny accents.

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I saw the old man one. But damn, DHS goes all out with with speakers on the targets too.

Winter Woman said:

Was published on March 22nd. I think you need to realize that you only see what you want to see because you have intentionally made yourself blind to the other half of the argument. Anyway here is part of the article.


Concerned lawmakers and activists across America from all points on the political spectrum have for months been seeking an explanation about the Obama administration apparently stockpiling weapons of war for domestic use. Estimates suggest, for example, that the federal government has committed to purchasing up to 2 billion rounds of ammunition over several years while rolling out dozens of armored vehicles known as MRAPs on U.S. soil. Meanwhile, the controversial Department of Homeland Security and its boss Janet Napolitano are refusing to provide real answers.

Now, however, at least one member of Congress is proposing to stop funding DHS unless and until it explains the controversial arms buildup, which has sparked widespread suspicion even among Obama&#8217;s most devoted supporters. Speaking to We Are Change activist and reporter Luke Rudkowski at the Conservative Political Action Conference this month, liberty-minded Rep. Timothy Tim Huelskamp (R-Kan.) said that more than a few of his colleagues were also trying to find out why the administration would be stockpiling so much firepower for use within the &#8220;Homeland.&#8221;

&#8220;They have no answer for that question. They refuse to answer to answer that.... They refuse to let us know what is going on, so I don&#8217;t really have an answer for that,&#8221; Rep. Tim Huelskamp explained, adding that multiple members of Congress were still trying to find out. &#8220;It comes down to: During the budget process, during the appropriations process, are we willing to hold DHS&#8217;s feet to the fire? We&#8217;re going to find out.... I say we don&#8217;t fund them &#8217;til we get an answer. Those types of things really challenge Americans. They&#8217;re worried about this administration.&#8221;

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I thought I explained it well enough in the initial post, at first the mainstream denied it, then they admited it, now a lot of them are denying it again. Notice a bunch of articles you are copy/pasting are old cheesus.

Im posting the hhs report to senator coburn
And deprave show where the DHS ever denied the purchase