This girl is difficult

Iricana

Iricana

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SOOO this is has been happening from the beginning (from seed and in week 3 veg started showing up) and I can't figure it out. Nute changes weekly, (and every other week just to see if that helped) but for some reason I am fighting this same look of the leaves. That being said, the plant itself seems fine but I don't want to lose it. Is it Phos def, Nute Burn..etc I've looked up everything and can't find as they all seem to look the same. Plant Details: (DWC, Week 3 flower, Pebbles Genetics, GH notes). Thank you so much for any advice. Pics attached!
 

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Johiem

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What's your calcium source? Magnesium? IMO your new growth looks a little short on nitrogen for as early into flower as you are. How strong are your nutes? Your roots are a rather heavily stained, I know that staining is not uncommon with the GH trio, I use it myself but my girls aren't that dark. Does your rez have a current in it? Your roots look all twisted. I'll throw some pics if you like.
 
Iricana

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Cal-Mag GH - I am running water lower than normal (simply because someone said too) and roots are likely twisted from changing the nutes weekly...My wife is small and fits down into that area better than I can so maybe she is putting the lid back a bit twisted...That is only reason I can think of as to why they are bit twisted. I have a 12 watt pump running with stones and am running between the feeds (mid/aggressive, pic attached)).
 

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Looks like mag def. 1/4 teaspoon per gallon. And throw some root conditioner in.
Water Temps been up it looks. I’ve been using skulls z7 and is working great for roots. Nice n White. 1/4 ml per gallon. Get a pic when I can. Good stuff.
 
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crankdoctor said:
Looks like mag def. 1/4 teaspoon per gallon. And throw some root conditioner in.
Water Temps been up it looks. I’ve been using skulls z7 and is working great for roots. Nice n White. 1/4 ml per gallon. Get a pic when I can. Good stuff.
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P.S. I’m running about 2in below basket and doing awesome. Rdwc.
 
crazymcdazy

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The first picture is showing a calcium problem. (some good info if you want to learn https://www.canna.com.au/info-courier_calcium )

What is your water source? If it is tap water then the problem is more than likely lock out, too much Cal. If you are using RO water then what is the ppm of the clean water? you may need to adjust as needed as indicated by the * next to cal-mag in your feed chart.
But if you dont have an EC or a PH meter, then go get them before you do anything else.
 
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Well that clears up a fuck ton... for me.
I've never seen that chart. I have been running what I thought was about 75%recommended strength... but... by that chart I'm running closer to 200%strength at some points. Per gallon of rainwater (ppm~70 on average) they got 4,2,5 micro grow bloom and 2ml home made cal-mag. She's a monster(especially for an auto)I thought she was about done but she threw up another round of white pistils so, who knows. This shot was on the 8th
 

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Iricana

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crankdoctor said:
P.S. I’m running about 2in below basket and doing awesome. Rdwc.
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Fantastic, info thank you so much. PPM were way low but I mix it all the same. I am running 3 with the other 2 holding fine at 1.1 EC 1100 ppm but this thing eats it up apparently. I added Cal-Mag and a bit more nitro to here and she looks better today but we will see. Thank you for the z7 info as. well. I use hyrdoguard as I live where it's warm but am managing water temp at around 65-68.
 
Iricana

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Johiem said:
Well that clears up a fuck ton... for me.
I've never seen that chart. I have been running what I thought was about 75%recommended strength... but... by that chart I'm running closer to 200%strength at some points. Per gallon of rainwater (ppm~70 on average) they got 4,2,5 micro grow bloom and 2ml home made cal-mag. She's a monster(especially for an auto)I thought she was about done but she threw up another round of white pistils so, who knows. This shot was on the 8th
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wow look at the autumn in that thing. Thank you for the reply. I should have been a bit more clear when referencing the charts. You are absolutely correct in saying you at 200% I use the ppm/EC as a measure and not amounts what they tell you to add get you nowhere near the ppm they say. I use RO water. I added a bit a calmag/nitro/bloom and her ppm came back up. Not sure where this one is falling when the other two are fine and I use the same mix. my EC is at 1.1 for week 3 now.
 
Iricana

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crazymcdazy said:
The first picture is showing a calcium problem. (some good info if you want to learn https://www.canna.com.au/info-courier_calcium )

What is your water source? If it is tap water then the problem is more than likely lock out, too much Cal. If you are using RO water then what is the ppm of the clean water? you may need to adjust as needed as indicated by the * next to cal-mag in your feed chart.
But if you dont have an EC or a PH meter, then go get them before you do anything else.
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Wow its great when you have resources like you guys so thank you; I am always learning something new. This is my 3rd grow and I have never had issues prior, but knew I would run into them at some point. I use RO water, PPM 25 on the dot. I us the same mix with 2 other plants and they are absolutely fine on PPM and PH, but when I checked this last night it was 400 lower which has happened 3 other times now as well (going back to veg). Doesn't make sense to me. I did look at the link and I wonder if the humidity is too high there. I live in a very dry environment and as such need humidifiers year round when growing. This sits right next to that plant. Doesn't however explain the ppm issue. Thank you again.
 
crazymcdazy

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Iricana said:
I use RO water, PPM 25 on the dot. I us the same mix with 2 other plants and they are absolutely fine on PPM and PH, but when I checked this last night it was 400 lower which has happened 3 other times now as well (going back to veg).
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Im a bit confused when you say it was 400 lower. Is it just one plant that is lower and the other 2 are stable and this plant is the one showing issues? Little more info on what you have, like environment and setup, individual buckets, recirculation? Do you scub the buckets and lines at each change?

You should get used to checking the EC instead of PPM, its far more accurate and more helpful in these situations where getting advise.
 
Iricana

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crazymcdazy said:
Im a bit confused when you say it was 400 lower. Is it just one plant that is lower and the other 2 are stable and this plant is the one showing issues? Little more info on what you have, like environment and setup, individual buckets, recirculation? Do you scub the buckets and lines at each change?

You should get used to checking the EC instead of PPM, its far more accurate and more helpful in these situations where getting advise.
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Yep, just that one plant is going lower (300-500) and having problems. I use PPT/TDS (salinity) as a measurement conversion of PPM and EC as it goes to the 1000th on my meter and is super accurate. I use PPM in this forum so as to speak to "all" as some don't respond using EC/PPT etc but I have an EC meter as well. The PH is always on point and I am a clean freak with buckets and res changes too. I brew beer as well so sanitation is always a priority and I do this every res change. Just can't figure it out. My setup is all single bucket (3 plants) , I converted a guest room closet (general closet size if that makes sense) full hvac setup up top, humidifier, etc...again the other two plants are great with zero issues, just this one. Thank you so much for your help, I read a ton about this (watch a ton of YouTube as well) but it's still only my 3rd grow so I am always learning.
 
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crazymcdazy

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Iricana said:
Yep, just that one plant is going lower (300-500) and having problems. I use PPT/TDS (salinity) as a measurement conversion of PPM and EC as it goes to the 1000th on my meter and is super accurate. I use PPM in this forum so as to speak to "all" as some don't respond using EC/PPT etc but I have an EC meter as well. The PH is always on point and I am a clean freak with buckets and res changes too. I brew beer as well so sanitation is always a priority and I do this every res change. Just can't figure it out. My setup is all single bucket (3 plants) , I converted a guest room closet (general closet size if that makes sense) full hvac setup up top, humidifier, etc...again the other two plants are great with zero issues, just this one. Thank you so much for your help, I read a ton about this (watch a ton of YouTube as well) but it's still only my 3rd grow so I am always learning.
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If the other two are fine and on the same feed schedule, sounds like she just a hungry girl then. But 300-500 lower sounds pretty extreme though whats the water temp, could have an algae or bacteria bloom in that bucket from a light leak or something, eating everything up and by doing the res change you get it before you notice it.... dont know

I would get the PH stable at 6.2 (better for flower as N is restricted and more PK is available, N isnt your issue here as everything is very green)
and raise the water level to about an inch under the net pot as well as raise the EC to 1.8- 2.3, then monitor the EC as the water level drops, if EC goes up, your solution is too strong, if it drops too weak, you want it to be stable as the water level drops.
 
Iricana

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crazymcdazy said:
If the other two are fine and on the same feed schedule, sounds like she just a hungry girl then. But 300-500 lower sounds pretty extreme though whats the water temp, could have an algae or bacteria bloom in that bucket from a light leak or something, eating everything up and by doing the res change you get it before you notice it.... dont know

I would get the PH stable at 6.2 (better for flower as N is restricted and more PK is available, N isnt your issue here as everything is very green)
and raise the water level to about an inch under the net pot as well as raise the EC to 1.8- 2.3, then monitor the EC as the water level drops, if EC goes up, your solution is too strong, if it drops too weak, you want it to be stable as the water level drops.
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Wow, thank you for the reply my man. My apologies for the delayed reply as I had to leave town unexpectedly and leave her to my wife. I will employ these and see where we go. Just got back and she looks the same with the others crushing it.
 
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