I agree with being harsh, but I think you're letting them off easy with a gun shot.
I'm Italian, it wouldn't just be 1 gunshot.. they'd be the last one shot as their life collapsed around them with death and pain if that were my daughter.
I respect your thoughts, but as a parent.. I will kindly disagree. Fuck with my family, I bring a shitstorm that wouldn't ever want to be seen - at that point, and that point only.. I'd determine what I thought was 'justice' as I have no faith in our courts ever doing the right thing.
What would you consider "justice" to be? Please justify it as best you can.
Justice is a perception-based judgment that is supposed to 'offset' or otherwise 'fix / smooth over' what had occurred. Clearly defined by a judge being able to have almost identical, or identical cases.. but giving 2 different sentences - or in terms of punitive damages, different amounts of money paid. That said, the likelihood of irreparable mental scars from rape incidence-wise is quite high. How does one determine justice at that point? If it were your daughter, and you knew you'd raised her properly and she got raped.. would some guy behind bars for 6 months be enough for you to say that it was 'fair', or that everything is just fine? What if it was a murder trial instead, and the jury decided that the attacker was not guilty, even though there was more than enough evidence to demonstrate that he was? Is that something that would just be let go? Not many usually agree with my thoughts on justice, what is fair, and how things could be handled. I fully understand that, and don't expect them to do so as everyone has their own thoughts - that's part of what makes us human, and not androids with a centralized brain.
You still did not explain what you would consider justice to be in this case. I see how you may have misinterpreted my original question.
If it were my daughter, I would lose it completely (this assumes I'd raised her right, I was not at fault for the party, etc)... and whoever did it would need to be in ballistic body armor for the rest of their life as their time would come, and it'd be a hell of a surprise.. I'd make death threats without question - however, after more contemplating I probably wouldn't be the aggressor as a part of what is 'fair' - would let `em sit in jail and let him get raped for dropping the soap. Harsh you say? Perhaps, justice? Not really, but 1st or 2nd degree murder and putting 20 rounds into 4 boys that raped your daughter doesn't work either - getting 50 years for 4 deaths wouldn't serve a purpose, you'd lose everything, including the ability to interact with the very same people you were trying to protect/keep safe. This is my official 4am answer after being awake many hours previous - I will contemplate this more and expound upon it after some rest.. lol
Okay, this is more what I was inquiring after. I understand the knee-jerk reaction of "rape them back!"; I have 2 sisters, and a collection of surrogate "sisters" who I would kill for. Not judging your emotional response; as I would probably be inclined to do some horrible things to a person who raped my sister. I would say that is the great thing about justice, though; it's not just about payback, there's supposed to be rehabilitation involved.
I would do the same, if any raped my sister they wouldn't be found more than likely.. as much as I'd like to think I'd let nature take its course assuming the judge put the hammer down and gave what I felt was a proper sentence. Would probably duct tape `em to a tree, fire up a chainsaw, and cram the burning hot exhaust up their ass while I went to town with a hammer. (Dolomitic lime speeds decay.. and people say it's only good for pH adjustment.)
Lime actually serves to preserve bodies...so there's that....I would do the same, if any raped my sister they wouldn't be found more than likely.. as much as I'd like to think I'd let nature take its course assuming the judge put the hammer down and gave what I felt was a proper sentence. Would probably duct tape `em to a tree, fire up a chainsaw, and cram the burning hot exhaust up their ass while I went to town with a hammer. (Dolomitic lime speeds decay.. and people say it's only good for pH adjustment.)
Edit: decay.. of compost piles, of course.
Hmm, remembered some type of lime helping with decomposition of compost piles - is another reason why 4-5am posting isnt good when up all night, I stand corrected.
As a parent myself, the concept of payback resonates with me. But I also caution that it isn't justice. cnI would do the same, if any raped my sister they wouldn't be found more than likely.. as much as I'd like to think I'd let nature take its course assuming the judge put the hammer down and gave what I felt was a proper sentence. Would probably duct tape `em to a tree, fire up a chainsaw, and cram the burning hot exhaust up their ass while I went to town with a hammer. (Dolomitic lime speeds decay.. and people say it's only good for pH adjustment.)
Edit: decay.. of compost piles, of course.
I understand, but to me.. at the time of the incident - as rational as it may sound to me that it would be, as a 3rd party perspective, I could see how it wouldn't be seen as such to others.
I think that anger distorts our moral perspective. Thus it is an article of my ethos to never decide anything while angry. cn
I try that, but I also try not to let it stew.. if I let it stew too long, the mind comes up with new/more creative ways of how to 'fix' it, even if the 'fix' may not be appropriate in any fashion.
In my younger years, I was completely unpredictable and a loose cannon... now I wait until someone has more than pushed the line, and determine what to do.. if anything. As I age, I've noticed I let a ton more shit go than I would have in my early 20s - sort of a priority-type setup, if it's going to induce headache and I'm not directly involved, my family is safe and not directly involved.. it gets pushed aside until/unless I get dragged into it by a 3rd party somehow.