Thought crimes?

ChesusRice said:
As stated before and of course ignored by you
Hate crimes are not just crimes against the victim
But crimes against our society and the principles of our nation
They can also be construed as terroristic actions against communitys

and they deserve higher punishment
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You and I disagree about this. A "crime against society" is a fraught concept imo, capable of being as abused as the fortunately obsolete concept of a "crime against nature". I think you are precisely on target with your use of the word "construed". cn
 
a person here thinks punishments for crimes should be based on race is also one of the first people calling others here racist...... compensate much?
 
desert dude said:
Dragging somebody behind a truck till they are dead sounds like first degree murder to me. In some states that is punishable by death. I don't agree with the death penalty, but life in prison sounds appropriate.

When you rap a chain around somebody and drag them behind your vehicle your intent (intent intent) is to murder them. The color of the victim's skin is irrelevant, he/she was still murdered.
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And terrorize the community that person is part of ethnicity wise

But I am sure by your posts and constant race baiting and false claims of white victomhood
you are ok with that
 
ChesusRice said:
And terrorize the community that person is part of ethnicity wise

But I am sure by your posts and constant race baiting and false claims of white victomhood
you are ok with that
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Facts are race neutral. Race baiting, I am sure in your own cloistered mind that makes sense.
 
ChesusRice said:
And terrorize the community that person is part of ethnicity wise

But I am sure by your posts and constant race baiting and false claims of white victomhood
you are ok with that
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only a true racist would hear about somebody being dragged behind a truck to death in their neighborhood would base their reaction on the races involved. Whew, at least he wasn't the same color as me or, damnit, they were the same color as me, this is an outrage.

Reminds of Jesse Jackson on the Chris Rock show going on about black on black crime and how for the sake of blacks it needs to stop and Rock saying " so what you're saying is, it's OK to kill whitey".

He took a lot of shit over that and had to do an HBO special called Bigger, Blacker, Better to prove he wasn't a sell out. He took shit for that too though and was accused by the Jesse Jackson's of the world of being a sell out.
 
Just another brick in the wall. Most people are already are under the assumption that government knows better how to spend OUR money... so why wouldn't we trust them to prosecute what they say our thoughts are?
The epitome of hypocrisy.
 
kelly4 said:
Why could I get a longer sentence for dragging a black guy behind my truck than if I was dragging a white guy? Same crime...same intent to kill.
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Depends, in that instance they could put a racial spin on it. In which case a hate crime would land you more years. Then again I don't see what the difference between hating white people is. Although they are the devils.

Government doesn't know how to spend our money but they do it anyways. The longer I worked at my job the more bullshit they were adding to my paycheck to pay for. A lot of things I could opt out of I suppose.
 
ChesusRice said:
So a guy who runs someone over with a car accidently
should get the same sentence as someone who drags a black man behind a pickup truck to his death simply because the man is black?

The law has and always will use intent on punishing for crimes

In the above example
the victims both were killed only difference was intent

But you are saying the law should do away with intent in determining punishment
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Yes the law should, in regards to racism.

You as a human being have the right to be racist. No one can rightfully or justifiably punish you for that, beyond what you would have otherwise been punished for, had race not been involved in the equation.

However you don't have the right to commit violent acts upon others, but if the motive of the violence is race, well then it's just a violent crime, because the criminal had that right as an individual to be racist.

You can not strip someone of their personal right of thought, on the premise that the "thought" is what caused a crime (even if it actually did). It's completely illogical to think that one can have the thought of racism stripped from them, because free thought is free speech, and free speech is a natural right, beyond that of the constitution.
 
ChesusRice said:
As stated before and of course ignored by you
Hate crimes are not just crimes against the victim
But crimes against our society and the principles of our nation
They can also be construed as terroristic actions against communitys

and they deserve higher punishment
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And punishing someone beyond protocol, because they committed a crime on the premise of free thought, is a crime against our society and the principles of our nation.

If someone kills another, due to their race, that crime is first and foremost homicide. The race of the parties involved is entirely irrelevant, even if it truly is what caused the crime to begin with.

Giving someone higher punishment for their train-of-thought, while speaking against violations upon America's society and it's principles, is hypocrisy.
 
balactus said:
Depends, in that instance they could put a racial spin on it. In which case a hate crime would land you more years. Then again I don't see what the difference between hating white people is. Although they are the devils.

Government doesn't know how to spend our money but they do it anyways. The longer I worked at my job the more bullshit they were adding to my paycheck to pay for. A lot of things I could opt out of I suppose.
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I though the Devil was sort of reddish with a goatee and a pitchfork. Sort of mediterranean / arabic looking features ...but white like my Irish brother in law probably not. Guess I'm misinformed.
 
The laws are telling me that a black man's life was worth more if killed by a white man who hates him than a black man who hates him.
 
balactus said:
Depends, in that instance they could put a racial spin on it. In which case a hate crime would land you more years. Then again I don't see what the difference between hating white people is. Although they are the devils.

Government doesn't know how to spend our money but they do it anyways. The longer I worked at my job the more bullshit they were adding to my paycheck to pay for. A lot of things I could opt out of I suppose.
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Farrakhan follower, balactus?
 
wow all you guys are afraid you will get extra time for lymching a black guy

what it seems like

fact is

blacks can be prosecuted for hate crimes as well

but your all worried about what the law may do to you becuase you burned a cross wore a hood and hung up a black dude in a tree
 
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