Thursday Night Chop Down!

Just a thought, but did you have to start a new bag of soil with the plants that are showing the problems now? If the healthy one was the last one in a different bag of soil that could explain it if there is something wrong with the soil mix the others are in.
 
stoney, going through my grow bible, pic #1 looks like thge pic of botrytis blight.. alkso pic #4 looks like nute burn. i do see how it is working down the whole leaf though. it also looks like one of my plants that got overwatered when we went to florida to watch the space shuttle. my sister overwAtered.

good luck stoney. i will keep looking when i get the chance. hope they get better. i will send them a get well card maybe thatll help.
 
Well everyone has given great words of advice. Heres mine. Heat/Light stress and/or moisture stress. I had 3 plants of 3 different strains when I first started growing. same everything. 2 died of moisture stress, rootballs were nasty wads of craps when upcanned. I let one dry out well and place it outside and it eventually reveggedduring outside summer. Uncle Ben has a moisture stress thread around here, and at riddlemes site. Basically let it dry almost completely like aeviaanah said but not dry, and then flush it with straight ph'ed water. look at the root balls where possible first to make sure you dont have root rot or mold under the surface from too much moisture. I think what happens is when the root ball gets soaked and doesnt wick away enough the ph fluctuates at the core and stops the plant from absorbing stuff normally. When nutes are added as a rememdy they make matters worse because they change the ph even more.

This is my take on it, from what I have read and gathered. maybe stick one outside and let it sit in the sun for a day (if the risk of bugs isnt too high) and the outdoor environement may help.

have you tried to add some worm castings to the top and water in lightly? I know this may be too much now. cowboylogic swore by them, and his knowledge of plant life was HIGH.

I wish I could give you a sure answer buddy :confused:
 
C.Indica said:
From what I just observed there's a few guesses;

Either that strain is resistant to the problem, in which case I suggest keeping it around for your future breeding project.

Or the unaffected plant was never exposed to the problem, and being the oldest, it could mean that you did something different after she went into the flower chamber. Possibly a problem in your Vegetative setup.

Maybe the unaffected really is affected, and didn't recieve as much time to develop the problem. It's leaves remind me of the stage 2/3 leaves.
In fact I can see lower leaves reacting the same way as others, see them?

Maybe the individual was the healthiest plant you had, and fought off the initial attack.

Or maybe you started doing something different a few weeks ago, like fucking with pH.
Now I know they tell you to keep slightly acidic, but if you look on this chart, every pH has different availabilities of nutrients.
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they seem to be healthy then i put them in flower.... key word being "seem" maybe it is something earlier on like you said. my PH reads perfect every time. I'm gonna keep trying!! thanks for the thoughts!!

fartman said:
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I don't think my light has diodes that are out... and from the pics you posted only one of your's is doing that.... i would send mike that pic and show him that two panels are fine and one is not. sorry i didn't post your original message... it's a pain with them in the middle of words.

KawiZZR said:
Just a thought, but did you have to start a new bag of soil with the plants that are showing the problems now? If the healthy one was the last one in a different bag of soil that could explain it if there is something wrong with the soil mix the others are in.
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maybe not the same batch but it could very well be from the same bag.... it is something i need to investigate. I'll look at my soil in a few minutes and see what bags were pulled for what.

hammer6913 said:
stoney, going through my grow bible, pic #1 looks like thge pic of botrytis blight.. alkso pic #4 looks like nute burn. i do see how it is working down the whole leaf though. it also looks like one of my plants that got overwatered when we went to florida to watch the space shuttle. my sister overwAtered.

good luck stoney. i will keep looking when i get the chance. hope they get better. i will send them a get well card maybe thatll help.
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there is a possibility that it could be both of those... as you guys know i am new to the nute world, and i have also been watering more lately, with the flushing's, and all purpose nute feeding , and the epson salt feedings.... I need to double check all of this.

gumball said:
Well everyone has given great words of advice. Heres mine. Heat/Light stress and/or moisture stress. I had 3 plants of 3 different strains when I first started growing. same everything. 2 died of moisture stress, rootballs were nasty wads of craps when upcanned. I let one dry out well and place it outside and it eventually reveggedduring outside summer. Uncle Ben has a moisture stress thread around here, and at riddlemes site. Basically let it dry almost completely like aeviaanah said but not dry, and then flush it with straight ph'ed water. look at the root balls where possible first to make sure you dont have root rot or mold under the surface from too much moisture. I think what happens is when the root ball gets soaked and doesnt wick away enough the ph fluctuates at the core and stops the plant from absorbing stuff normally. When nutes are added as a rememdy they make matters worse because they change the ph even more.

This is my take on it, from what I have read and gathered. maybe stick one outside and let it sit in the sun for a day (if the risk of bugs isnt too high) and the outdoor environement may help.

have you tried to add some worm castings to the top and water in lightly? I know this may be too much now. cowboylogic swore by them, and his knowledge of plant life was HIGH.

I wish I could give you a sure answer buddy :confused:
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I keep racking my brain thinking back to what changed just before i saw this issue.... a ton!!! I changed so much over the past month!!! I added an extra light( and more heat), I started using nutes, I used molasses, and something i just thought of now... a couple times i used a different water, PH'd of coarse but it came from my dehumidifier and not the faucet.

so after reading and reading, I have decided I am going to take the advice of totally letting them dry out. but as soon as the lights come on, I'm gonna slde a few out of thier containers and inspect the roots.... I am kind of embarrassed that i haven't thought of that or looked at them yet!!!!

I hope i find something wrong there... even if it is bad, at least i will know what i did wrong. if any look questionable at all, I'm gonna re-pot them and give em some fresh soil around the outside. I'll keep all of you posted....
 
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sorry about the plants mate. to me it looks like a ca/mg deficiency or lock out. but, i am sure someone with more experience can better analyze the photo.
they really do bounce back and tolerate a great deal.

i finally got a female ace of spades, about time if you ask me 4 out of 5 were male.


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Concord Dawn said:
dam, that shit sucks man, i hate trying to figure out those kind of problems. hope you get it bro!!
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I hear ya man!!! will get better soon, I just won't put up with them dieing like that!!!

theoldmerchant said:
Ouch those pictures make me sad on the inside haha. I'm sure you'll figure it out stoney, and at the very worst you get some premie bud!
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I'll make sure to post lots of pics just as soon as they get better.... thet will turn your frown upside down!!!

kether noir said:
93

sorry about the plants mate. to me it looks like a ca/mg deficiency or lock out. but, i am sure someone with more experience can better analyze the photo.
they really do bounce back and tolerate a great deal.

i finally got a female ace of spades, about time if you ask me 4 out of 5 were male.


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so glad to hear you got a female!!!! man you have put a lot of work into getting that!!!! congrats!!!








Well guys I am very embarrassed to say I think my problem was over watering. The top of the soil feels dry, but when i slid off the containers, they were so root bound and wrapped up so tight they felt like a big sponge on the bottom. it was all roots and barely any soil as a buffer. I'm sure all this will cause the problems i am having.

So i made a batch of fresh soil from a new bag. It has been raining here for a couple weeks so it wasn't totally dry, but it was a little damp, best i could do anyway. Then i up canned every plant!!!!! making sure there was fresh soil around all the exposed roots.

There was no sign of root rot or mold. I may have gotten there just in time!!! once they dry out a bit more i will water them with a little H2O2 to help rid them of any bacteria that may have already started but didn't show signs yet.

I have no excuse for letting my plants get to this point!!! I am extremely embarrassed of this rookie mistake!!! the ONLY reason I can think why my roots grew so much is because I now have proper lighting.
I have been using these containers for almost a year now, and have never had a root bound issue.

I have a tang dream ready for flower, I'm gonna put her in a 5 gallon container and see if that changes things.



Thank you everyone for taking the time to help me along!!!!!!!!!!!

I truly appreciate all the advice and effort from all of you!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
glad to hear the good news stoney!! yeaaa ive havin probvlems of my own with the rust spots... but the floja is 8 weeks into flowering... soo it'll be done soon enough. =) glad ur good 2 go man. and every1 makes mistakes me.. even the pros... theyre just better at hiding it than we are. =p lol
 
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im glad you have isolated the issue. and thank you, the aos looks very indica.....ill be keeping her around for as long as i can after this....


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Good you found a problem but thats might not be the actual problem....fix that one but the sick plant may not like the transplant...also remember different strains grow at different rates, some have fast growing root systems others not. not only that but some strains respond to certain grow rooms better than others, what works for your friend may not work for you. trends will likely be different in one grow room to another. although too much water might sound like the problem, the actual problem may just be, not enough oxygen. do you oxygenate your water before using? not real necessary but i do it....two reasons, to remove chlorine and to oxygenate water before giving to plants.

overwatering is hard to do with proper drainage. the rootzone being so compact may have limited drainage, the extra moisture probably led to anaerobic conditions (lacking oxygen) which allowed bacterias and fungus to take over... flushing with h2o2 sounds like a good idea. how did the rootzone smell? a rootzone smelling like soil will indicate a healthy root zone. you will know if your rootzone is living in anaerobic conditions....itll stink to all hell.

this may have thrown ph out of whack in base soil, a transplant after plants start to look better will help bring ph back to normal. id add some dolomite lime or gypsum to the soil before transplanting. just remember with a sick plant, dont do too much at once.

a good thing to remember too...deficiencies are hard to come by unless its N P K or ca and mag. deficiences wont happen overnight, its a pretty slow process and wont shrivel up the garden real fast....toxicities on the other hand will show in a matter of hours. just keep this in mind. look at nutrients as supplements and not life sustaining compounds. the real stuff is oxygen, water co2 and light.
 
aeviaanah said:
Good you found a problem but thats might not be the actual problem....fix that one but the sick plant may not like the transplant...also remember different strains grow at different rates, some have fast growing root systems others not. not only that but some strains respond to certain grow rooms better than others, what works for your friend may not work for you. trends will likely be different in one grow room to another. although too much water might sound like the problem, the actual problem may just be, not enough oxygen. do you oxygenate your water before using? not real necessary but i do it....two reasons, to remove chlorine and to oxygenate water before giving to plants.

overwatering is hard to do with proper drainage. the rootzone being so compact may have limited drainage, the extra moisture probably led to anaerobic conditions (lacking oxygen) which allowed bacterias and fungus to take over... flushing with h2o2 sounds like a good idea. how did the rootzone smell? a rootzone smelling like soil will indicate a healthy root zone. you will know if your rootzone is living in anaerobic conditions....itll stink to all hell.

this may have thrown ph out of whack in base soil, a transplant after plants start to look better will help bring ph back to normal. id add some dolomite lime or gypsum to the soil before transplanting. just remember with a sick plant, dont do too much at once.

a good thing to remember too...deficiencies are hard to come by unless its N P K or ca and mag. deficiences wont happen overnight, its a pretty slow process and wont shrivel up the garden real fast....toxicities on the other hand will show in a matter of hours. just keep this in mind. look at nutrients as supplements and not life sustaining compounds. the real stuff is oxygen, water co2 and light.
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Water recieves Oxygen in one way, and one way only;
The water's surface must be disturbed.
Airstones don't even put air in your water, they just stir it up, and when the bubble breaks the surface, a small amount of air is pulled into the water.
Powerheads pointed at the water's surface in a Hydro setup is the best way to add water, and if anyone here owns fishtanks, they understand all this already.

Oxygenating your water prior to watering is a great idea to remove Chlorine! I will start doing this!
Other ways include Boiling, and leaving the water out overnight with the lid off to evaporate. Although without oxygenating the water this will take forever.

Also, when you pour the water into the flowerpot, the surface is very very violently disturbed, bringing in about as much oxygen as it can at this point.
So stirring it to add O2 to your plants is silly, but stirring it to remove chlorine is not. But I would do this at least a half hour before watering, to allow it all to evaporate. I hate Chlorine, I hate bleach, it's just cancer. I'm with you on the no chlorine bit.

Thanks for the bit on Toxicity, I will remember this.
 
C.Indica said:
Water recieves Oxygen in one way, and one way only;
The water's surface must be disturbed.
Airstones don't even put air in your water, they just stir it up, and when the bubble breaks the surface, a small amount of air is pulled into the water.
Powerheads pointed at the water's surface in a Hydro setup is the best way to add water, and if anyone here owns fishtanks, they understand all this already.

Oxygenating your water prior to watering is a great idea to remove Chlorine! I will start doing this!
Other ways include Boiling, and leaving the water out overnight with the lid off to evaporate. Although without oxygenating the water this will take forever.

Also, when you pour the water into the flowerpot, the surface is very very violently disturbed, bringing in about as much oxygen as it can at this point.
So stirring it to add O2 to your plants is silly, but stirring it to remove chlorine is not. But I would do this at least a half hour before watering, to allow it all to evaporate. I hate Chlorine, I hate bleach, it's just cancer. I'm with you on the no chlorine bit.

Thanks for the bit on Toxicity, I will remember this.
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Good point on the aeration of the water, you are right its about movement of the water. Airstones are usually the cheapest way to do this. All my power heads are in my fishtanks :) About the toxicity, this is just my personal observation....may prove wrong in other cases.
 
SmokesLikeBob said:
Glad to hear you figured out the problem Stoney!
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Thanks SLB!! I just wish i would have been more pro active.... lesson learned!!!

C.Indica said:
Hahaha I always wondered how people grew plants in such small spaces.
I have a 5g pot as well for the big'uns.
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I had no clue of it!!! I always check my roota after every harvest. and in those containers there was never an issue.... Duh, big lights make big plants which have big roots!! I'm looking into some new containers now... I have a tang dream out growing the veg cabinet, so i need to find something fast.... if all else fails i will use a bucket.

Psychild said:
glad you got everything under control Stoney!
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I hope i do.... things are starting to look better already, i wasn't expecting any change yet , but i believe they are continuing to bud!!!

chb444220 said:
glad to hear the good news stoney!! yeaaa ive havin probvlems of my own with the rust spots... but the floja is 8 weeks into flowering... soo it'll be done soon enough. =) glad ur good 2 go man. and every1 makes mistakes me.. even the pros... theyre just better at hiding it than we are. =p lol
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yea, when my plants are sad I don't post as much... but when they are happy I post all the time. and your floja is looking super bro!!! i wouldn't worry about that little bit of rust at all. there is plenty of bud on that thing it won't affect it at all.

on a good note the flo K 48's and shooting stars are growing happy and doing well, still small but doing great!!!

kether noir said:
93

im glad you have isolated the issue. and thank you, the aos looks very indica.....ill be keeping her around for as long as i can after this....
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there are a few strains that you grow that i want to try, AOS being one of them.

aeviaanah said:
Good you found a problem but thats might not be the actual problem....fix that one but the sick plant may not like the transplant...also remember different strains grow at different rates, some have fast growing root systems others not. not only that but some strains respond to certain grow rooms better than others, what works for your friend may not work for you. trends will likely be different in one grow room to another. although too much water might sound like the problem, the actual problem may just be, not enough oxygen. do you oxygenate your water before using? not real necessary but i do it....two reasons, to remove chlorine and to oxygenate water before giving to plants.

overwatering is hard to do with proper drainage. the rootzone being so compact may have limited drainage, the extra moisture probably led to anaerobic conditions (lacking oxygen) which allowed bacterias and fungus to take over... flushing with h2o2 sounds like a good idea. how did the rootzone smell? a rootzone smelling like soil will indicate a healthy root zone. you will know if your rootzone is living in anaerobic conditions....itll stink to all hell.

this may have thrown ph out of whack in base soil, a transplant after plants start to look better will help bring ph back to normal. id add some dolomite lime or gypsum to the soil before transplanting. just remember with a sick plant, dont do too much at once.

a good thing to remember too...deficiencies are hard to come by unless its N P K or ca and mag. deficiences wont happen overnight, its a pretty slow process and wont shrivel up the garden real fast....toxicities on the other hand will show in a matter of hours. just keep this in mind. look at nutrients as supplements and not life sustaining compounds. the real stuff is oxygen, water co2 and light.
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aeviaanah said:
Good point on the aeration of the water, you are right its about movement of the water. Airstones are usually the cheapest way to do this. All my power heads are in my fishtanks :) About the toxicity, this is just my personal observation....may prove wrong in other cases.
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I wish i would have taken pictures of the roots in some of them, I never seen roots that bound up and packed in. they had pushed all the soil up and out and formed almost like a sponge. the top of the soil felt dry and then when i slid the plant out the bottom was so soggy and soaking wet. they smelled good. the first thing i did was gently squeeze the water out of the root sponge then i tried my best to massage them open a bit and stuck my nose right up in there!!! i was so glad not to smell any rot or fungus.

there was very poor drainage the way they were. I guess i can be thankful i have such good quality water. I can understand you guys not liking the chlorine in city water. I have very clean well water that is almost perfect on the tests.

and i understand what you are saying about the stress of transplanting and waiting till the plant is healthy, only I had to put some fresh soil around that terrible root mass. i will also add a couple drops of superthrive to help with bacteria risk. I have also throughly cleaned my watering cans and spray bottles.

I am glad you mentioned the lime in the soil... i was gonna start doing this and now that you said something that confirms it, i will pick some up the next time I'm t the hardware store.

I think I'm gonna get back to basics again and stop using nutes. things grew much better than and it was much simpler... maybe I'll only use a little bit now and then. some of that could very well be burn because as you said, it happens fast, deficiencies don't.

I thank you once again for your help, tips, and general concern!!!!!! I wish i could rep again... i will soon!! and since the last time i posted pics they looked so sad and left such a downer, I'm gonna post some nice ones... a couple plants look better already. I'm gonna upload em now.... and make a snack, and smoke a bong!!


Thanks again everybody!!!!!!!!!!!!!! pics coming soon!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Yea I'm usually pretty careful on nutes.
I started cranking my girl up to 160% with no signs of leaf damage, but then she bear-clawed almost silently.

If you use a bucket, drill holes in the bottom.
Otherwise water could gather there and become anaerobic.
 
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