Tincture mess-up. Help me.

Ok i think i messed up my tincture. Here is what I did.

I used a large mason jar. Filled it about half way with water cured bud. Then filled it to 3/4 with kelf. Removed the plant material and grinned it slightly in a food processor. Added it back to the jar. Pored in a entire bottle of Captain Morgan 100 proof rum.


What i think i messed up was the pre bake the bud step. Right now the jar is about 3 weeks old and is looking darker than it started. Can i double boil the jar in a crock pot of water to convert the thca to thc? Thanks for you help.

you shouldve just let it sit for a few weeks. I had a tincture that I let sit for two weeks and then strained the shit out. I used a microscope to check if all the THC was off and it was. Youre doing all kinds of extra steps you dont need. You have any pics of what its looking like? Also, You dont need to grind the buds up, just break it up. Thats more than enough

Its actually still sitting. I can try to take pictures. Before shaking it looks like this. Not sure if it was clear but I missed the pre bake the bud step. I just put non baked bud in the jar.


About a inch and a half of lighter colored liquid on top(Normal rum color).

One inch and a half of milky liquid that extends to the bud and in it(Milky rum color).

The rest is ground up bud and kelf.


I though the heat method turned THCA to THC and allowed for the use of less liquid to feel the affect.

Yeah pics would help alot. That sounds like some weird shit. Are you sure you didnt put anything else in it? How often do you shake and do you keep it out of the sunlight?

Ive never heard of THCA into THC. If you dried it properly then the THC should already be active. I didnt use any heat and the tincture floors my ass or gives me a nice mellow buzz with a little

only thing i can figure that your buzzing of is the alcohol, and a placebo type effect dude. I've heard many places about the thca not being converted to thc until its heated...

When you cook with pot that's what activates it. If you just soaked the pot in peanut oil/vegetable oil and use that without heat first i don't think it would have any affect.

Hell i've eaten an eighth of nice nugs before and not felt a thing because it was not exposed to heat first.

Take the entire solution including plant matter then double boil it, let the temp get to crack phase temps (candy thermometer) then strain with filters and squeeze the shit outta the remains and enjoy.

GL

THC usually accumulates at a quite a low level in the fresh leaves of C. sativa and is shown to be derived artificially from the acidic cannabinoid Δ1-tetrahydrocannabinolic acid (THCA) by non-enzymatic decarboxylation during storage and smoking (Yamauchi et al., 1967 ; Kimura & Okamoto, 1970 ). Our biosynthetic studies demonstrated that THCA, which had been believed to be formed through isomerization of cannabidiolic acid (CBDA), was actually derived from cannabigerolic acid (CBGA; Taura et al., 1995 , 1996 ; Fig. 1

). Furthermore, we identified and purified an oxidoreductase named THCA synthase which catalyzes THCA biosynthesis in rapidly expanding leaves of C. sativa (Taura et al., 1995 ). Biochemical investigation using the purified enzyme established that THCA synthase oxidatively cyclizes the monoterpene moiety of CBGA to stereospecifically form THCA (Taura et al., 1995 ; Sirikantaramas et al., 2004 ). Because enzymes catalyzing such an oxidocyclization have been not identified to date, it is of great interest to precisely reveal the structure of THCA synthase and to understand the mechanism of the THCA synthase reaction.



THCA biosynthesis. THCA synthase catalyzes oxidative cyclization of the monoterpene moiety of CBGA to form THCA. THC is derived from THCA by non-enzymatic decarboxylation.

scuba0504 said:

only thing i can figure that your buzzing of is the alcohol, and a placebo type effect dude. I've heard many places about the thca not being converted to thc until its heated...

When you cook with pot that's what activates it. If you just soaked the pot in peanut oil/vegetable oil and use that without heat first i don't think it would have any affect.

Hell i've eaten an eighth of nice nugs before and not felt a thing because it was not exposed to heat first.

Take the entire solution including plant matter then double boil it, let the temp get to crack phase temps (candy thermometer) then strain with filters and squeeze the shit outta the remains and enjoy.

GL

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Ok tincture is not oil. You do not have to cook it to get THC. Im 100% sure that my tincture i filled with THC becasue 1) I looked at the bud after I took it out and all of the trichhrome heads were dissolved 2) a tablespoon of vodka is not going to give me a heavy ass buzz for 6 hours. Dont tell me what my shit does to me. I know it works and I know I made it right. If you dry your buds properly, then the THC is active. You are an idiot. Alchol dissolves THC dude...

Ate an 8th huh? Thats pretty smart too! It wouldnt work because what is the THC being carried by? You HEAT the bud to dissolve the THC into the fats and oils and NOT to 'activate' it

Id like to see some back up to your claims because youre so full of shit its coming out every hole.

http://boards.cannabis.com/concentrates/168857-cold-tincture-method.html

You can google the rest dude! And if you dont think Im right then you can come on over and take a look at my Valedictorian certificate from Oaksterdam and proceed to put your foot in your mouth


Droogz: If you follow his advice I can guarantee your tincture is going to be more fucked up.

scuba0504 said:

THC usually accumulates at a quite a low level in the fresh leaves of C. sativa and is shown to be derived artificially from the acidic cannabinoid Δ1-tetrahydrocannabinolic acid (THCA) by non-enzymatic decarboxylation during storage and smoking (Yamauchi et al., 1967; Kimura & Okamoto, 1970). Our biosynthetic studies demonstrated that THCA, which had been believed to be formed through isomerization of cannabidiolic acid (CBDA), was actually derived from cannabigerolic acid (CBGA; Taura et al., 1995, 1996; Fig. 1

). Furthermore, we identified and purified an oxidoreductase named THCA synthase which catalyzes THCA biosynthesis in rapidly expanding leaves of C. sativa (Taura et al., 1995). Biochemical investigation using the purified enzyme established that THCA synthase oxidatively cyclizes the monoterpene moiety of CBGA to stereospecifically form THCA (Taura et al., 1995; Sirikantaramas et al., 2004). Because enzymes catalyzing such an oxidocyclization have been not identified to date, it is of great interest to precisely reveal the structure of THCA synthase and to understand the mechanism of the THCA synthase reaction.



THCA biosynthesis. THCA synthase catalyzes oxidative cyclization of the monoterpene moiety of CBGA to form THCA. THC is derived from THCA by non-enzymatic decarboxylation.

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This means nothing since there no reference to dissloving the THC into alcohol OR how decarboxylation occurs only when you heat it (rather than just through proper drying and curing). I suggest you do some more reading

Have you even made a tincture before, because I highly doubt it. Ive made a few batches myself....

Cold method/Hot method

Again, THCA is what fresh plant material contains; drying and curing properly will convert the THCA to THC. Just cuz you post some scientific sounding shit doesnt make you right...

I've never tried the cannabis tincture, but i make valerian/skullcap/chamomile tinctures for sleep. I was just passing on info that I had read on here. Sorry if was misinformation.

I have never made Green Dragon before but I am getting ready to attempt it. Everyone here talking about leaving it sit around for weeks. This is what I plan to try and I'm pretty positive it works. I know they wouldn't post it if it didn't. http://forums.mycotopia.net/cannabis/16912-green-dragon.html I myself want to use leaf cause I don't have anything else ready at the moment so I am trying to figure out the leaf to alcohol ratio I need to make about an ounce of Green Dragon. If anyone has any experience with this I could use some suggestions.

Thanks for the help. I will have to get a candy therm. and double boil it. It has sat for 3 weeks.


I think i may also make some chocolates soon also as its almost beach time.

Damn..an idiot? My doctor (formerly molly fry now the same clinic is operated by crystal dawn speller after dr.Fry's legal troubles) must also be one and the employees at marconi medical center in Sac. They have all given me recipes that call for decarboxylation. It only takes a few minutes. But just wondering doesnt the delta symbol mean "when heat applied" or heat added hence delta9-THC?

anhedonia said:

Damn..an idiot? My doctor (formerly molly fry now the same clinic is operated by crystal dawn speller after dr.Fry's legal troubles) must also be one and the employees at marconi medical center in Sac. They have all given me recipes that call for decarboxylation. It only takes a few minutes. But just wondering doesnt the delta symbol mean "when heat applied" or heat added hence delta9-THC?

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Hes an idiot because hes telling me my own tincture is not working but just a "placebo effect." Hes in no position to tell me that and hes just being an asshole, so I treat him as one. and if you read his post he hasnt even made one! With experience comes knowledge... You can heat it, I didnt say you cant. Theres 2 methods, I realize this and you should too. You dont have to have heat to make a tincture though Thats there method that they use and I have mine that I was taught, so theyre both right in their own ways. Where did you get the Delta thing? Ive never heard anything like that

U don't need a double boiler you can use a mason jar and a pot of water

I cant remember. I took basic chemistry in high school but that was lifetimes ago it seems.

Δ placed over a reaction arrow indicates heat applied to the reaction vessel (the delta symbol is used for historical reasons: an upright triangle was the alchemists' symbol for fire, as the Aristotelian element)

thats interesting so i looked it up

http://www.marijuana.com/medicinal-marijuana/9509-what-exactly-does-delta-9-mean.html
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol
http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/viewanswers.asp?questionID=637

sounds like it delta 9 because of the way chemicals are ordered/structured or being orally consumed?

not sure...

I took .8 grams of kif and added it to an ounce of tangueray and have it sitting in a little ounce jar with a rubber dropper. How long does that need to sit? Its coming up on 2 weeks since I made it. The gin is 47% alcohol.

Status update.

So i double boiled and strained the tincture and got about 2 cups or so. I tested about 1/4 of a teaspoon under the tung and felt it, heavy eyes, slight numbness. I am going to try to reduce the liquid amount and see if i can adjust the dosage. It smells like cannabis and also tastes like it. There is also a slight burning when applied under the tung.

I also pre heated some bud and made more chocolates. I have yet to try them.

AKRevo47 said:

This means nothing since there no reference to dissloving the THC into alcohol OR how decarboxylation occurs only when you heat it (rather than just through proper drying and curing). I suggest you do some more reading

Have you even made a tincture before, because I highly doubt it. Ive made a few batches myself....

Cold method/Hot method

Again, THCA is what fresh plant material contains; drying and curing properly will convert the THCA to THC. Just cuz you post some scientific sounding shit doesnt make you right...

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I sure wish a moderator would intercede when basic information is miss stated. THCA (the raw form) begins to convert to THC (the form we can absorb) at 90C (194F) and begins to get damaged above 250F, (burned off) and destroyed by 300 F. So I keep my decarb to 240' F but for a long time (45min) and in oven bags to seal buds and minimize gassing off of terpenes etc. What I'm trying to find out is this: My home grow has averaged 12% THC, and I have found the resulting "R.S.oil" too weak, requiring too much to have to be ingested to be comfortable. (tastes like mixing water into your ash tray) YUK and I have needed a "mouthful" to get a therapeutic "medical" dose. I am currently re-using my stock of "green dragon" over fresh new batches of flowers adding only that amount of alcohol needed to compensate for evaporation loss. My current batch of about two pints of reduced 151 rum has been run over 3 batches of flower at two ounces per batch. So my two pints have now been exposed to 6 ounces of 12% weed. Anyone have a way of calculating the strength of RSO short of a lab? I'm sure each "amplification" does not double the THC, I'm sure there is some loss, but I really need to make something that a "grain of rice" amount will contain about 150mg THC which is an average dose for me. These are based on REDUCED values for RSO, not the beginning green dragon.