Tmv disease ?

Tobacco mosaic virus ? It would appear this way . Hoping I’m wrong . But would like a second opinion ?

Imcamping86 said:

Tobacco mosaic virus ? It would appear this way . Hoping I’m wrong . But would like a second opinion ?

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It's very hard to find info on TMZ. I would guess the PH is off, its got bugs, or it is the genetics, before thinking it is TMZ. Is the rest of the plant healthy and it is only in afew spots?

If it were a virus I would point toward hop latent viroid

Nizza said:

It's very hard to find info on TMZ. I would guess the PH is off, its got bugs, or it is the genetics, before thinking it is TMZ. Is the rest of the plant healthy and it is only in afew spots?

If it were a virus I would point toward hop latent viroid

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The plant has definitely been problems since day 1. Tmv was the only thing I could find that showed the same symptoms . I was also dealing with light burn issues. I doubt that’s it in this case . Would be everywhere .

Lots of other issues I would guess before TMZ which is not common. Don't know what your medium is or ph or if you are feeding any nutes etc, but I'd check water/feed ph and my first guess without better photos and info would be potassium deficiency.

coherent said:

Lots of other issues I would guess before TMZ which is not common. Don't know what your medium is or ph or if you are feeding any nutes etc, but I'd check water/feed ph and my first guess without better photos and info would be potassium deficiency.

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My bad . I should know better lol should have listed stuff . Ffos , ff trio . Cal mag . Myco plus .
soil is prebuffered 6.3 and I have been watering with a 6.4 ph . Water is left to sit for a few days . Tap water . Usually in the 8-9ph range . Yeah I saw it was uncommon disease . But it was the first thing that showed common symptoms . Some one suggested something else I’ll look into as well. Just brainstorming. Hoping someone else has other ideas

coherent said:

Lots of other issues I would guess before TMZ which is not common. Don't know what your medium is or ph or if you are feeding any nutes etc, but I'd check water/feed ph and my first guess without better photos and info would be potassium deficiency.

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Also , I did go slightly heavy on the nitrogen . So for the last couple waterings they’ve been only getting straight water ph to 6.4 . They were on the verge of nitrogen toxicity. Got real dark. But didn’t claw .

Nizza said:

It's very hard to find info on TMZ. I would guess the PH is off, its got bugs, or it is the genetics, before thinking it is TMZ. Is the rest of the plant healthy and it is only in afew spots?

If it were a virus I would point toward hop latent viroid

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Was just looking at what you mentioned . Looks exactly like this too . Thanks for the input

Imcamping86 said:

Was just looking at what you mentioned . Looks exactly like this too . Thanks for the input

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I had hlv in my GG#4's last summer. Out of 4 plants, 3 were not worth saving but the 4th was really healthy and potent. However 2 Cindy 99s in the same tent were unaffected all summer even after sharing tools, scissors etc and ended up producing large yields. Weird how it works.

tmv would make it look very sick

in fact, unless it's a resistant strain, it would show generalised symptoms because the virus would be able to reach the vascular system

It's not tmv, it's a leaf variegation.

Would it be a bad idea to send it into flower ? I’m supposed to make the switch in a week or two ? It’s the biggest plant in the garden . Fastest growing too. Kinda bummed I might be taking a hit . She was fun to work with problems included .

I thought TMZ was a cable channel.

someone's favorite subject @Dr. Who

Imcamping86 said:

Tobacco mosaic virus ? It would appear this way . Hoping I’m wrong . But would like a second opinion ?

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Nizza said:

It's very hard to find info on TMZ. I would guess the PH is off, its got bugs, or it is the genetics, before thinking it is TMZ. Is the rest of the plant healthy and it is only in afew spots?

If it were a virus I would point toward hop latent viroid

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OK here we go.

TMV is NOT a Cannabis virus!
Neither is Sun-Hemp virus! This is a BEAN virus that effects only legume strains!

After a group of growers (I belonga this group) sent literally hundreds of plant samples to Ag labs at MSU. NEVER was it EVER found to be a TMV virus.

After long personal talks with grad students and Prof's . We figured that TMV in cannabis is a myth. A now working for me grad student even attempted to infect cannabis with TMV. It would not take.

IF you were to get a virus. It would have to be a hemp/hops related one! There are NOT many of those, and as an organic farmer of Hops (among other things). I have yet to see a viral issue.... It's just not very prevalent.

Now then. It looks to me like you may have a BROAD mite issue! The ONLY way to get rid of those?
FORBID 4F - 1.2 ml per gallon of water max. You LIGHTLY mist the tops of the leaves and do it again 6 days later. Boom done.

They can cause a version of "variegation" that mimic's what you have perfectly. They do not spread fast but, get rid of them!

You may see some continue - how ever slowly.
Still, treat those too.

I've gotten rid of mine and have never had an issue again - in years and years.

Now Russet mites can give you that shrivilly like new growth look too. BUT, no variegation look.
These fuckers are a bitch the get rid of.
You must alternate the use of FORBID and AVID for 2 treatments each - one every 5 days.

Letting Russet mites go to long can, and will, do DNA damage to the strains infected with them.
Some folks simply toss the plants and sanitize their grow.

Be sure to sanitize your grow after treating your plants too!

Happy trails!

Dr. Who said:

OK here we go.

TMV is NOT a Cannabis virus!
Neither is Sun-Hemp virus! This is a BEAN virus that effects only legume strains!

After a group of growers (I belonga this group) sent literally hundreds of plant samples to Ag labs at MSU. NEVER was it EVER found to be a TMV virus.

After long personal talks with grad students and Prof's . We figured that TMV in cannabis is a myth. A now working for me grad student even attempted to infect cannabis with TMV. It would not take.

IF you were to get a virus. It would have to be a hemp/hops related one! There are NOT many of those, and as an organic farmer of Hops (among other things). I have yet to see a viral issue.... It's just not very prevalent.

Now then. It looks to me like you may have a BROAD mite issue! The ONLY way to get rid of those?
FORBID 4F - 1.2 ml per gallon of water max. You LIGHTLY mist the tops of the leaves and do it again 6 days later. Boom done.

They can cause a version of "variegation" that mimic's what you have perfectly. They do not spread fast but, get rid of them!

You may see some continue - how ever slowly.
Still, treat those too.

I've gotten rid of mine and have never had an issue again - in years and years.

Now Russet mites can give you that shrivilly like new growth look too. BUT, no variegation look.
These fuckers are a bitch the get rid of.
You must alternate the use of FORBID and AVID for 2 treatments each - one every 5 days.

Letting Russet mites go to long can, and will, do DNA damage to the strains infected with them.
Some folks simply toss the plants and sanitize their grow.

Be sure to sanitize your grow after treating your plants too!

Happy trails!

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Okay , I’ll totall check for mites . I keep my tent pretty clean and the room it’s in . I haven’t seen any bugs or signs of bugs . I will surely look . Dealt with thripes on my first outdoor run last season. In the even I see zero signs of bugs . What is it than ?

Imcamping86 said:

Okay , I’ll totall check for mites . I keep my tent pretty clean and the room it’s in . I haven’t seen any bugs or signs of bugs . I will surely look . Dealt with thripes on my first outdoor run last season. In the even I see zero signs of bugs . What is it than ?

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You can NOT "see" Broad mites!
They are the diameter of a white fly LEG.
They dig into the leaf midrib and vein's. This causes the coloring and the leaf to "bend" in that direction.

Dr. Who said:

You can NOT "see" Broad mites!
They are the diameter of a white fly LEG.
They dig into the leaf midrib and vein's. This causes the coloring and the leaf to "bend" in that direction.

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I have a digital microscope . I’ll inspect . Further , this plant is next to all my others and there have been signs of this problem for the better parts of two weeks now . Nothing on the others . At all in terms of similar symptoms. I’ll look now

Imcamping86 said:

Would it be a bad idea to send it into flower ? I’m supposed to make the switch in a week or two ? It’s the biggest plant in the garden . Fastest growing too. Kinda bummed I might be taking a hit . She was fun to work with problems included .

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The biggest strongest plants are usually males
...just saying

Imcamping86 said:

I have a digital microscope . I’ll inspect . Further , this plant is next to all my others and there have been signs of this problem for the better parts of two weeks now . Nothing on the others . At all in terms of similar symptoms. I’ll look now

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Still not likely to "see" them. They get dug in deeper then an Alabama tick..