To smoke or not to smoke???????

candylime12

Well-Known Member
ok i know that there's the never ending debate about smoking moldy weed. and not to bring up that again but ?

I have some shwag or compressed bud. that looks moldy on the out side in a couple of places but not that bad.
while going threw the internet looking for the infanate knowlage on this subject. ive decided to try and cut the mold off and open up the brick a little bit to see if the inside looked bad. the inside of the wad looks pretty healthy for compressed weed.

and since my doctor wont answer this for me. is it safe to smoke having trimmed the bad crap off.
 

MenaceToSociety6

Well-Known Member
Im not a doctor but i would throw away any kind of marijuana if it appeared to have mold on it. Especially if its just shwag i wouldnt risk smoking any of it.
 

iToke09

Active Member
i know a guy who smoked mould, after the first week he woke up with mould growing out of his toe nails and his lungs exploded!! Na im just playing.

The first ever time i grew skunk, I lost about half my crop to mould, because i hung it up 2 dry in a stupid ass humid place. I was so tempted to smoke it but i didnt. So i just gave lieka gram of it to some twat who lives on my road, he smoked it.. and to this day he seems fine.. but i still dnt no behind the scenes what happend to him
 

stonerman

Well-Known Member
I probably wouldnt smoke that, but if times were desperate I would be smoking the not mouldy parts. I remember back when I was a kid, we had no money and no weed, we would smoke practically anything if it would get us high. lol :bigjoint:
 

poplars

Well-Known Member
definitely not worth it, you don't know what chemicals will be released when the mold burns, or if you could even filter it with water. basically its just not worth it.
 

MediMaryUser

Well-Known Member
i wouldnt do it.but if you need to get high then go for it.

if you have enough just make hash?maybe idk good luck



FTP
 

poplars

Well-Known Member
that hash would be contaminated . . .

/maybe/ hash oil, but I seriously doubt that too.
 

gogrow

confused
being a mostly shwag smoker myself, i have many times in life smoked molded weed.... but it is definately not good for you... it can/will give you lung infections.... in fact, the ONLY case i found (yes, i found ONE) of someone dying from pot, was in a person with a comprimised immune system (such as AIDS) that died from complications with a severe lung infection... brought about by his moldy meds... (which i believe was from the govt:neutral:)...

i'll try to find it before 20 of yall call bullshit:lol:
 

eza82

Well-Known Member
HOLY SHIT !

bASICALLY HE DIED FROM PNEUMONIA.... BECAUSE OF MOLD SPORES/FUNGAL ACTIVITY PRESENT IN LUNGS AND BRAIN DURING A TIME HE WAS ALREADY REALLY SICK !

THANX GOGROW!

NO WAY WOULD I SMOKE MOULDY MJ EVER !!!!!!!!


FOR THOSE WHO CANT BE BOTHERED TO READ.... HERE WAS THE IMPORTANT PART !
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when he had two generalized tonic-clonic
seizures. Lumbar puncture yielded normal CSF Brain CT scan was
unremarkable. Magnetic resonance imaging of the brain showed
two parietal nodules. Chest roentgenogram revealed multiple nodules,
several of which were cavitary Bronchoalveolar lavage was not
diagnostic by Gram-stain, KOH wet mount or bacterial culture. The
patient was empirically started on intravenous amphotericin-B
therapy Open lung biopsy was performed, which revealed septate
hyphae in the direct KOH wet mount of the tissue.
Fungal cultures of the lung tissue and bronchial lavage fluid
subsequently grew Aspergillus fumigatus; viral cultures yielded
cytomegalovirus. Further history revealed that the patient had been
smoking marijuana daily for several weeks prior to admission.


Culture of his marijuana yielded Aspergillus
fumigatu& Pathologic

examination of the submitted lung tissue revealed both fungal and
cytomegaloviral pneumonitis.
Despite aggressive therapy with amphotericin B and the experimental
drug


DHPG (9-[1,3 dihydroxy-2 propoxymethyl] guanine),

the patient


developed a progressive interstitial pneumonia that

required intubation and ventilatory support. He continued to
deteriorate with worsening of his pulmonary status, development of
cholestatic


jaundice and renal insufficiency. The addition of highdose

steroid treatment did not improve his condition. He expired
110 days after bone marrow transplantation. Autopsy revealed
disseminated aspergillosis involving the lung, endocardium and

brain, together with cytomegaloviral pneumonitis.
 

eza82

Well-Known Member
FOUND THIS TOO.... NOT MOULD BUT DEATH ALL THE SAME!

Britain

The Times December 13, 2005

Patient died during cannabis drug trial
By Russell Jenkins
A WOMAN taking part in trials of an experimental cannabis-based drug appeared drunk and became so confused that she was admitted to hospital where she later died, an inquest was told yesterday.

Rene Anderson, 69, of Frecheville, Sheffield, was prescribed the drug Sativex by researchers to ease pain caused by diabetes. She developed pneumonia, respiratory problems and died of kidney failure, the hearing in Sheffield was told.

Some patients claim that cannabis-based medicines relieve their symptoms and ease pain but Sativex has yet to win a licence in Britain, pending further data from GW Pharmaceuticals, its manufacturer. It has been licensed in Canada and can be used in Britain under special licence from the Home Office, and at a doctor’s discretion.

Yesterday the Royal College of Physicians said that more clinical trials were needed into cannabis-based medicines, which appeared to be beneficial in some cases.

Christopher Dorries, the coroner, said at the start of yesterday’s hearing that its purpose was to decide whether there was a “clear or direct link” between the patient’s death and the drug.

Mrs Anderson had suffered from diabetic neuropathy, a complication of diabetes that causes extreme pain and numbness in the limbs. She was considered to be a suitable candidate for the trial to find out whether the condition would respond to a cannabis-based drug. Soloman Tesfaye, the consultant in charge of the trial, told the inquest that he had wanted to test claims made by users of cannabis.

Mrs Anderson was on the trial drug for 23 days. Dr Tesfaye said that on the third day he learnt that things were “not quite right”. Her family complained that she appeared to be in a state of confusion, as if she were drunk. The drugs company advised reducing the dose, and the symptoms appeared to dissipate. But 18 days into the trial, Jackie Sadler, the patient’s daughter, told reseachers that her mother was behaving strangely. Mrs Anderson was admitted to hospital several days later after a series of hypoglycaemic attacks. She died on March 3 last year.

John Shortland, the pathologist who conducted the post-mortem examination, said he understood that Mrs Anderson’s mental condition and mobility had changed after taking the trial drug.

He was asked whether there was a relationship between Mrs Anderson’s mental problems and the physical “shut-down” that occured while she was in hospital. Dr Shortland said: “There was a progressive decline and worsening of her general condition. She developed acute renal failure that required dialysis. I can only say that the two came together”.

The inquest is expected to hear evidence from experts in cannabis psychosis, a condition that is seen in some users of the drug. Sativex contains two chemicals found in cannabis: tetrahydrocannabinol and cannabidol.



End of article. Basically, this was an accident waiting to happen. Can't find any info on contraindications or side effects for Sativex, but Nabilone is not recommended for the elderly(the patient was 69), lists psychotic features among it's features, as well as decreased appetite, which is something you do not want when you have diabetes - the patient was admitted to hospital after a series of hypoglycaemic attacks, i..e severe lowering of blood sugar, generally caused by not eating or not taking blood sugar stabilisers, which is something that psychotic diabetics are prone to do. Sorry to all the psychotic diabetics out there if that seems inflammatory, but the statement comes from experience.

If anything the clinicians responsible for prescribing this are the ones who should be on trial, not Sativex.

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CALL FOR CANNABIS TRIALS TO BE HALTED AFTER MOTHER DIES
The family of a diabetic woman who died after developing mental problems while undergoing a cannabis-based treatment have called for trials of the drug to be halted.
A coroner decided yesterday that Rene Anderson's reaction to the drug Sativex was a "significant contributory factor" in the onset of the illness which killed her.
Mrs Anderson, 69, a retired supermarket worker, was taking part in a trial to determine whether cannabis-based treatments could help relieve the effects of diabetic neuropathy which caused nerve pain in her hands and feet.
She was said to have developed "disturbed behaviour" within hours of taking Sativex in September 2003 as part of the Diabetes UK-funded project at the Royal Hallamshire Hospital, Sheffield.
Mrs Anderson began telling her family that there were X-ray cameras on the roof of the house, that the police had planted drugs at her home and officers were circling in a helicopter.
Her family contacted the hospital, describing her as "confused and intoxicated" and within three days the level of the drug was reduced.
After she had been taking the drug for 28 days, her family reported her as "not the same person" and she was admitted to the Royal Hallamshire where her physical condition dramatically worsened.
Mrs Andreson then became immobile and suffered from a range of problems. She died of acute kidney failure on March 3 2004 after being transferred to the city's Northern General Hospital for renal treatment.
Chris Dorries, the Sheffield coroner, recorded a narrative verdict after a week-long inquest in the city.
He said: "On the balance of probabilities, an idiosyncratic reaction to a trial drug (either alone or in combination with other
medications) was at least a significant contributory factor to the initiation of this illness."
Jacqui Sadler, Mrs Anderson's daughter, said after the inquest that she believed her mother had been used as a guinea pig and called for the trials to be scrapped.
She said her mother, who had two children and four grandchildren, had decided to go on the trial of the drug - which is licensed in Canada - as a last resort.
 

candylime12

Well-Known Member
ok i think that that answers my question. thanks eza82 for making that easy. i just hate wasting a 1/4 of weed in this time of economical hardship. but that isnt worth it.
 

gogrow

confused
HOLY SHIT !

bASICALLY HE DIED FROM PNEUMONIA.... BECAUSE OF MOLD SPORES/FUNGAL ACTIVITY PRESENT IN LUNGS AND BRAIN DURING A TIME HE WAS ALREADY REALLY SICK !

THANX GOGROW!

NO WAY WOULD I SMOKE MOULDY MJ EVER !!!!!!!!


FOR THOSE WHO CANT BE BOTHERED TO READ.... HERE WAS THE IMPORTANT PART !
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
when he had two generalized tonic-clonic
seizures. Lumbar puncture yielded normal CSF Brain CT scan was
unremarkable. Magnetic resonance imaging of the brain showed
two parietal nodules. Chest roentgenogram revealed multiple nodules,
several of which were cavitary Bronchoalveolar lavage was not
diagnostic by Gram-stain, KOH wet mount or bacterial culture. The
patient was empirically started on intravenous amphotericin-B
therapy Open lung biopsy was performed, which revealed septate
hyphae in the direct KOH wet mount of the tissue.
Fungal cultures of the lung tissue and bronchial lavage fluid
subsequently grew Aspergillus fumigatus; viral cultures yielded
cytomegalovirus. Further history revealed that the patient had been
smoking marijuana daily for several weeks prior to admission.


Culture of his marijuana yielded Aspergillus
fumigatu& Pathologic

examination of the submitted lung tissue revealed both fungal and
cytomegaloviral pneumonitis.
Despite aggressive therapy with amphotericin B and the experimental
drug


DHPG (9-[1,3 dihydroxy-2 propoxymethyl] guanine),

the patient


developed a progressive interstitial pneumonia that

required intubation and ventilatory support. He continued to
deteriorate with worsening of his pulmonary status, development of
cholestatic


jaundice and renal insufficiency. The addition of highdose

steroid treatment did not improve his condition. He expired
110 days after bone marrow transplantation. Autopsy revealed
disseminated aspergillosis involving the lung, endocardium and

brain, together with cytomegaloviral pneumonitis.

figured you'd appreciate that:mrgreen:... it blew my mind too... but it makes perfect sense
 

gogrow

confused
so.....you can die from pot just not over dose on it !!!!!!!!

yes you CAN... but you stand more chances of taking yourself out by "auto-erotic asphyxiation" .... look up the statistics on that one... mind boggling i tell you:lol:
 

eza82

Well-Known Member
i like to be VERY informed when it comes to the subject of MJ..... but after this mornings efforts and research..... i have found something I dont want to know about !..... its good for the fact it has confirmed anY MYTH about death and MJ.....
Its real people....
DONT SMOKE MOULDY BUDS !,
DONT SMOKE ANY BUDS WHEN YOUR SICK! aLWAYS THE POTENTIAL WITH ALOT OF BADLY CURED BUD!
ESPECIALLY DONT SMOKE WHEN YOU HAVE A HEAD COLD OR LUNG INFECTION!
DONT SMOKE WHEN YOU ARE COUGHING UP BLACK SHIT 10X A DAY!
JUST DONT RISK MOULDY BUDS PERIOD.........

THESE ARE THE THINGS LEARNT THIS MORNING......... WHICH IS ENOUGH TO SCARE THE SHIT OUT ME ! - I AM GLAD I DRY MY OWN !!!!!! (SOME OF THESE THINGS i HAVE DONE FOR YEARS ! NEVER AGAIN AFTER TODAY !(SMOKE WHILE SICK ))
 

poplars

Well-Known Member
this isn't WEED that killed someone though. this is SATIVEX. it may be derived from weed, but the lack of the other cannabinoids present in weed may have caused the complication. who knows. we definitely need more scientific research on this.

but as far as I know, the cannabinoids all act in cooperation with eachother to some extent, so lack of certain cannabinoids and too much of another can EASILY cause horrible complications.

this is not a confirmed death from cannabis, this is a confirmed death of a complication of sativex.
 
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