TORR POWER SAVING VEG METHOD

Slow release nutes are like little nute gel caps, so technically added nutes.

Let's see those roots.

LinguaPeel said:

Slow release nutes are like little nute gel caps, so technically added nutes.

Let's see those roots.

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very true. Im not digging out the plants to show you the roots, but its my understanding they do have roots,
no added nutrients, as i didnt add any, they came with the garden center potting mix.
yes no doubt there are nutrients in the potting mix in slow release prills which are generally slow release nutrients rapped in a bean protein which realease nutrients over time via osmosis , like osmocote.

Update: tent one.

if there is not much interest in this thread ill kill it and stop with updates.

Blue dream next time if anyone is interested

As long as you're doing experiments, there will be ppl. I'm interested and might try this later in 2020

blue dream seedlings going well topped them.

Tent 2 update: suffered from light bleaching/leaf burning, from the 2 x far red leds, as i had the light too close, but they are still powering on, and doing ok. 7 days behind tent 1

Tent one looked like this on the 30th of November, after 2 in the same pot of 4 were harvested, (after just 28 days, wow thats record breaking fast) I bent down the 2 remaining longer flowering plants to fill in the space where the 2 early flowering plants were harvested from, to maximize light usage.


12 days later they look like this:


note the original bent down stem from the first photo to the latest photo is just 12 days. (all documented here so you can check yourself. just 12 days.)

my phone camera struggles to take red night photos but here we go , taken today lights off , i.e red

12 white 12 red , never a dark period.

dark period = red light



TORR method in action.

Red is their dark period. 12 hours red sleep time.

Its a Red night district ..and they are getting it on!

Wow 3 days later and the buds have doubled in size, and the smell is so so intense and swamping my huge carbon filter, will add photos once the white lights kick back in... my concern is these don't look like they will finish anytime soon. I really want them to finish as the blue dream is hanging out to take their place.
then Kosher Kush , Im looking forward to that one.
Time for another heavy leaf defoliation i think, I might have time wednesday your time, will post after.

man your making me want to pick up some of these.
Great work!
Are you going to be making full number report of days and yield from start?

Nizza said:

man your making me want to pick up some of these.
Great work!
Are you going to be making full number report of days and yield from start?

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Hi mate , Ive done no note taking, everyones variables will be different, here are the last photos, will focus on blue dream now, had to turn off the light to take the photos as the lights were too bright for my camera and i just got a lot of streaking in the photos, sorry for the crap photos im using a old phone until my new one arrives in the post. see post number 1 at 2nd of november 44 days from first post, last 2 of 4 left
Not particularly amazing, but we did learn that some varieties initiate flowering and continue to flower if you replace the 12 hours of dark with red light instead, i.e 24hours of light. I still not sure if this is useful in practise or not, but none the less it is interesting.

For The Next grow, im going back to multiple plants in shallow trays 20cm deep,( just basic plastic storage tubs) from start to finish,(this is my usual basic Staple, prior to the airpot trial) the airpots kept my plant roots too dry and I feel this effected yields and performance, also with trays, no holes , basic shop storage tubs, i dont have gnat problems and can fill in my tent space better,as they are square / rectangle, i felt like i wasted a lot of tent/light space this last grow, and with having pots with a water collection tray underneath , sitting water attracted gnats which ive never had before, whist growing with trays with no drainage holes never had a problem. shallow tubs without holes do great indoors , they hold a few mm of water in the bottom after watering which is absorbed within the hour and they dry out fast giving a nice quick ph swing from wet to dry to make all nutrients available , ive done a lot of grows using this method and generally i get great results. Also with trays my plants and growing media are closer to the ground were its cooler, and the same amount of potting mix is used as the airpots, ill be recycling the potting mix to reuse from the last run above for the blue dream.

Blue Dream transplant, have a new phone, recycled potting mix from the air pots to trays.

Tent 1&2 Dry , tent 1, 44 days, tent 2 , 37 days, tent one , 2 of 4 plants just 28 days, from seedling to harvest. photoperiod seeds, admittedly harvested a bit too early but still decent smoke

any updates? This is very interesting!

Nizza said:

any updates? This is very interesting!

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Hi Nizza, sorry for the delay.

Given personal and legal circumstances, i had to start again, and sow new seeds, here is Blue Dream, I had some issues growing it to be honest, due to my personal enviroment and personal difficulties but here is a update.

only one plant is half decent, and im considering destroying them and starting again.

if I continue with them im not expecting a lot, under 12 red 12 white they are showing signs of flower now, they are 3.5 weeks after germination.

I have taken 2 clones off the biggest plant at the front left corner, mixed bag genetic wise. There are 4 plants and only one is growing well.

Im wondering if Blue dream is a bit harder to grow or if Ive fucked up, probably a bit of both.

I added a lot of osmocote i.e a slow release fertiliser to the second hand potting mix, and suffered nutrient salt burn on transplant.

also I don't recommend running those red lights at the same height as your whites,i like to keep my hgl 550s really close, but if you put the red at the same height on the light they leaf burn. so stick your red lights top of tent or side of tent and higher than your white, who would have thought 30 watts of red could burn leaf bleach? well that just my experience yours could be different. my tents are running at over 30 degrees Celsius even with aircon so that may be a factor.




I guess it shows how much genetics play a part with seeds, all 4 plants same condition, but 1 of 4 is going so much better than the rest.

Hi, wouldn't it be enough to have the Far Reds on for just half an hour once the main light goes off... and what does it do to your plants in veg...?

Kassiopeija said:

Hi, wouldn't it be enough to have the Far Reds on for just half an hour once the main light goes off... and what does it do to your plants in veg...?

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yes that could work to shorten flowering time,infact that is the standard way to use far reds, this thread was just a idea, and definitely outside the box.

Kassiopeija said:

Hi, wouldn't it be enough to have the Far Reds on for just half an hour once the main light goes off... and what does it do to your plants in veg...?

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if you use far reds like this you can add a extra hour of light, i.e 13/11 i.e 13 hours of light 11 hours dark and get better yield. faster

If you read through the entire thread you will see that 12 white 12 red will make photoperiod seeds flower just like Autos from seed.

whether this is of any benefit has yet to be determined.

At this stage , im not recommending to use 12 white 12 red unless you want to turn over crops very quickly.

Im thinking that 16 white 8 red if it triggers flowering , that 24 hours of light could be a game changer. for photo period seeds

also im calling this nutrient a hero, no matter how bad you stuff up with your nutrients this one seems to bring things back within a week

as a grower of 20 years, i rarely recommend a nutrient product, but if your having trouble try it, works for me, shake the bottle and give it a go.
and let me know. The iron is the key. Iron and nitrogen are a match made in heaven.